In the end all that there is to seduction is...

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In the end all that there is to seduction is...go after what you want.

The basis of every success I have had is that I simply went after what I wanted until I got it.

The basis of every failure I have had is that I either did not try, or did not keep trying in differing ways.

The AFC does not go after what he wants and by definition this is not alpha and so he fails.

Going after what you want is all there is to being a hunter and a man. The alpha just goes after what he wants until he gets it. It is no matter if he misses with ten girls, or if he misses with ten arrows. He just keeps going. She is not the only girl, that was not the only deer. Life does not offer one girl, nor does it offer one deer. The alpha’s true nature is to simply go after what he wants.

I don’t even think that girls should be criticised for responding to the “just go after it approach.” Because that is exactly the kind of mate you would want looking after you in the jungle. A woman sees your interactions with her, as the same way you will interact with the world. If you are weak or hesitant with her, she will assume you are weak and hesitant with the world. If you lack courage, are not persistent, care too much about her barbs against you, put up with too much crap from her, this is the way she believes you will operate in the world.

Thus a woman tests a man she is interested in over and over again.

If we were to put this into a Zen approach it would be something like:

Learn everything there is about seduction. Become seduction itself. Then forget everything and act.

And what is the barrier to acting?

Courage. Just courage – the ability to act despite feeling fear and the ability to fail and keep coming back for more. The ability to take the pain of temporary failure. Really this could be a definition of alpha.

Of course that is what she wants because that is exactly what you would want from a mate in any harsh environment if you were a female. Someone who can handle both her and the world.

Go after what you want. Failure to act is the only barrier to successful seduction.

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"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" and so on with cliches.

We live in a world full of people dying to f**k and the only REAL reason they don't is because no one's asked them. The average chump, if he were to just take the opportunities that were THROWN at him, where there are obvious IOIs, he would be well-laid. He doesn't NEED to learn some secret skillset. He just has to believe that when a girl gives him an interested look, she is indeed interested in him.

I can't count all of the times girls threw IOIs at me through high school and college...if I had just responded to half of them, I wouldn't have ever been on this website. :p

I interpret stuff differently now. When I make eye contact with a girl and she rolls her eyes at me, I used to think it meant, "there's no WAY I'd want to have sex with you". Now I interpret it as, "there's no WAY I'd flirt back at you with my boyfriend around".

That's why everyone assumes it takes a certain degree of "arrogance" to play this game...because you have to proceed from the assumption that cute girls ALREADY want you inside them and you just have to find a comfortable spot between social conventions and morals to do it.
 

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Seduction is the approach one takes to get what they want with women. If you chase a woman just because you want her, and she does not respond do you continue chasing her simply because you want it? (AFC? Oneitis?) Courage by itself is foolish, you need to apply it correctly.
 

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You miss the point Jamo. I am not talking about single girls I am talking about process with many girls and I do not agree that courage is foolish. If most guys simply try they will be successful. But most guys do not try. They think they need complex rules for something that is natural.

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yeah, i agree. its a numbers game. tactics learned on this site just help
to improve your winning percentage a bit.
 
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