Importance of Looks - Raising your value

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Trying to figure this issue out. Thinking out loud here. My thinking has gone finally down to this:

We know looks are important to women, just not as important as they are to men.

What's important is having a look that signifies confidence in yourself. You are into yourself because you value yourself. Anything that communicates that you don't value yourself is a killer. You need a PLAN, MAN.

Fine. What does this mean in operational terms?

Improve on the things you can (weight, teeth, skin, etc)
Ignore things you can't change and don't let them bother you.

You want women attracted to YOU. You will approach with no problem if you see signs that they are interested. You should never think that you need to improve just for them. You can get away with some crooked teeth or a broken nose. The thing is, do you want to have these working against you in your life? Your career might suffer, for example. You do want sex and you do need to make this easier.

Goods in more appealing packages sell better than those that are not. Wrapping is just paper. Think about all the products women buy at huge prices just because they put a FRENCH NAME ON IT. It's the same crap as any other crap made in China! Perception rules. Physically men are all the same (structurally, with normal anatomy) and women are all the same (same exclusions apply). Think about how careless women are when they shop for ****. Are they concerned about how things will function at all in a practical sense? Not at ALL.

Package yourself appropriately. You can raise your price. Raising your price means you have more choices. If you have more choices then YOU CAN REJECT THEM if you want to. Package for the market you are trying to meet. Younger women want a different package than older ones.

I often think I want a Ferrari. They look cool. Are they really better cars? They do break down a lot. The point I'm making here is that a Ferrari is an engine (yes, with a powerful one) and brakes, and suspension underneath but what makes it $200,000 is the shape of the sheet metal. It is just transportation. It's the perception factor again. It's being seen in a Ferrari that matters.

So my point is to also work on perceptions as they are crucial. Try to find out how you are perceived. This is difficult as no one will really give an honest opinon. What matters is common sense really. What kind of women are approaching you. The loosers? Quality women will approach you if you are quality. You DO have to externalize quality if you want quality women to be interested. There's no free lunch (i do like snacks, though).

Lastly, if you spend all your money on women trying to impress them you are a fool. Spend it on YOU. That $500 set of earrings (guilty!) should have went on something for you.

The bottom line is this. Women aren't into looks as much as you are. Improve on what you can and let the rest go. Don't think that unchangable "flaws" are going to sink you.
 

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You could always drink a Sprite and tell the world to kiss your're ass too.
 

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From experience, mine that is, looks are very important. I get away with a lot more and get better success when my facial looks and physique improve.

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From my experience, it isn't the looks that matter. Its the confidence in yourself that you gain from the looks.

If you feel that women like your image more, you feel more confident, and that is why you can get away with more.
 

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Most guys just don't have a mentor or guide to show them how to dress properly. They usually just go to American Eagle and buy a polo and jeans that are three sizes too big.
 

Channel your excited feelings into positive thoughts and behaviors. You will attract women by being enthusiastic, radiating energy, and becoming someone who is fun to be around.

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Take it from me. I am better looking then most guys, but my lack of self confidence, quiet personality, and refusal to approach leaves me being a very lonely person.

I have had self esteem issues my whole life and i just sought out professional help, because i am wasting what is left of my youth. I should be banging girls left and right but my lack of self confidence overshadows my great looks. I have developed an inferiority complex, do to the lack of success in my professional life. A devastating complex, which eats away at you like cancer if you don't correct it.

TRUST ME! Work on your inner game, it is much more crucial and beneficial to both your personal and professional life!
 

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chevelle said:
Take it from me. I am better looking then most guys, but my lack of self confidence, quiet personality, and refusal to approach leaves me being a very lonely person.

I have had self esteem issues my whole life and i just sought out professional help, because i am wasting what is left of my youth. I should be banging girls left and right but my lack of self confidence overshadows my great looks. I have developed an inferiority complex, do to the lack of success in my professional life. A devastating complex, which eats away at you like cancer if you don't correct it.

TRUST ME! Work on your inner game, it is much more crucial and beneficial to both your personal and professional life!
Hey man, you and I sound like we are alike. Though, I am probably not as good looking as you since I do not consider myself "better looking than most". However, I am 6'0, fit and have atleast a cute face.

I too, have been alone most of my life due to self-esteem issues.

Low self-esteem will KILL any chance you have with attractive women regardless if you look like Matthew McCounaughey or not. Why? When we have low self-esteem WE DON'T THINK WE DESERVE ANYTHING VALUABLE (e.g. an attractive woman) OR WE SEE OURSELVES AS UNWORTHY!!

You are good-looking, start having some confidence from that.
 

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Chevelle, you are like I was some time ago. All I can say is that I realized that I was getting noticed far more than I thought I was. I just wasn't very observant. When you start to pay attention more you'll see it and that will allow you to step out of your situation. I'm way past trying to play games. I'm done with thinking that I'm nothing if "I'm not banging girls left and right" -- do you really want that or is that what is expected of you? If you want only what others REQUIRE you to have then you can't win. What is winning? Banging girls? You want sex of course. I want it with someone I can trust. I'd love to take all the hotties home of course. But I don't want to fall into someone else's trap. I'd like to think that you have been cautious to in order to protect yourself. What should worry you (if I may suggest..) is that you cannot approach the women that seem like they will be fruitful and satisfying.

I've personally been struggling with weight so it has colored my entire perspective. I imagine there are a lot of guys on the site that are going through the same thing.

I've been really focussed on a lifestyle change. That's my big DJ move. That's what it's all about. Sure, I'm not proud of not getting the dates that 'everyone else is getting' - but I am making progress and I'm turning some of the energy into action. Just remember how much you have to offer. This isn't an easy matter, certainly not quickly done. The payoff is immense though.
 

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I think looks matter to a certain degree, they are a "foot in the door" at the very atleast... I mean look at our approach... you wouldn't go for a 3 would you?
 

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oh come on this has been done to death :rolleyes:
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

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My experience has taught me something else. I have learnt that the confidence you get out of 'beautifying' yourself is short lived. You may feel good about yourself but that is only externally, and in some sense it has no real depth. (OK, im not saying it won't get you women, but it may get you short lived women!)

I have learnt that for men looks has a lot to do with cleanliness. (Not that it doesn't do for women) BUt, If you can keep yourself clean, that is more than enough! what is really important is the confidence that comes from within you.. from your inner self. That is totally different from the confidence you gain from just beautifying your exterior.

How do you get confident from within? simple. learn to love yourself and more importantly be comfortable with yourself in your own body... don't give a sh!t about what people think of your exterior! (if you love and respect yourself enough, you will automatically keep yourself mentally, emotionally and physically in shape = REAL CONFIDENCE!)

If you are a good looking guy, take that as a bonus. The last thing you want is a woman all over you just because you are 'cute'. (unless you are that desperate for a lay)

remember men don't 'take care' of their looks. We are naturals.


goodnight to all you lovely souls.:yawn:
 

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ducaro said:
...I have learnt that for men looks has a lot to do with cleanliness. (Not that it doesn't do for women) BUt, If you can keep yourself clean, that is more than enough! what is really important is the confidence that comes from within you.. from your inner self. That is totally different from the confidence you gain from just beautifying your exterior....
What you're talking about is something that a lot of guys don't understand; the difference between looks and appearance.
 

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mahon83050 said:
Low self-esteem will KILL any chance you have with attractive women regardless if you look like Matthew McCounaughey or not. Why? When we have low self-esteem WE DON'T THINK WE DESERVE ANYTHING VALUABLE (e.g. an attractive woman) OR WE SEE OURSELVES AS UNWORTHY!!

You are good-looking, start having some confidence from that.
That's very true. Low self-esteem also tends to kill opportunities in other aspects of your life too. i.e. career, social life. Funny thing about having confidence about having confidence from being good looking, the inner voice will say 'if I'm so good looking, why am I alone?' 'Why don't I seem to attract women?'

Course, there's about a dozen things the AFC is doing wrong, usually involving EC, body langauge, vibes, etc.

Good looking guys theoretically should have no problem with confidence, nor should there be a problem attracting women.

Odd thing is, in the last couple of weeks I've noticed some nice looking guys who look like they have absolutely zero confidence. They wouldn't make EC and just looked at the floor the whole time as I walked by them. I remember thinking, 'why the hell does HE look so down? Probably just another good looking AFC...
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
What you're talking about is something that a lot of guys don't understand; the difference between looks and appearance.
I'd be content if atleast you concur with a little of what I have had to say, cuz that will justify the time I spent in developing the thoughts and typing it out!:eek:
 

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I'd be content if atleast you concur with a little of what I have had to say, cuz that will justify the time I spent in developing the thoughts and typing it out!:eek:
What's not to agree with?
 

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looks are an attracting device. Evolution has primed particular people with the ability to attract others purely based on their looks.

HOWEVER looks is but one part of the attracting mechanism. theres so much more you can use to attract people other than your looks.

its really all about standing out, getting yourself noticed, and hooking people. Confidence hooks people, humour hooks people, a crazy hairstyle hooks people, muscles hook people. all attention getters. You can also see how looks hook people as well. They make you stand out and they get you noticed. A confident, loud masculine presence WILL get you noticed and it will hook you some hot babes. its what i do.

It also explains how some guys can steal hot chicks from underneath a good looking guys nose. The good looking guy is just using his looks, whereas the other guy, is ATTRACTing on all kinds of dimensions.

so...looks will always be important because they have INSTA-value, they have INSTA-Attractability, but in the scheme of things, they aren't much. the total package is what counts. However if your in a club I would advocate your looks play crucial role if your looking to get laid because you won't be able to attract in any other way.
 

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the looks thing we really have discussed to death...

I think the universal formula is the one tsmith mentioned... "looks will get you the foot in the door. No more no less.
If she doesnt like your looks, you can throw all the game in the world, she wont listen (if you cant compensate with massive social proof or power).

The idea is not mine, but it´s interesting - put Mystery or Badboy or Tyler in a fatsuit and see how far he gets. Not far; I bet.

So in my experience only two factors really kill you dead in the water when it comes to looks - irregular facial features or body defects (huge red flag for chicks that reads BAD GENES) and being fat.

With irregular features or being butt ugly you only get away acting very alpha and/or having good social proof or power. But it will give you a hard time. If you´re fat, nothing will save you. Cold hard truth.

All but facial/bodily defects can be fixed rather easily. Exercise, stylish clothing will make a 7-8 out of a 4-5 easily.
 

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I don't understand why men are in such denial about this. Looks are a factor like many, however they are one of the biggest factors if not the biggest. If you're physically attractive then you're well on the way there, add some reasonable convo skills and balls to approach and you'll be fine in most cases. This doesn't mean looks can't be made up for or that they are everything.

However for night game and direct approaching, looks/physical appearance/style is very important. I often have girls blush and smile and offer me their handshake when I direct approach now, believe me this never/would never have happened 3 years ago when I looked a lot worse.

Why did you think all the indirect stuff and PUA tactics came about? Style knew he can't get away with direct stuff and whatnot because he's short, skinny and bald but he used the 'coming in under the radar' thing to work well for him, along with other stuff like wealth from writing and whatnot ...

MM
 

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I know a couple guys who have model looks yet hunch when being spoken to and don't give eye contact, and despite a noticeable lack of confident body language, get a lot of extra attention by waitresses and stewardesses than most guys. I think I have confident body language, smile and give eye contact and I don't get random women drooling. It just amazes me seeing women slowing down to banter and flirt with a guy who lacks self confidence, but a lot of times the guy will not see it, even when everyone else sees a women practically climbing on his lap. Plus, it's a little annoying seeing women go hardcore for guys who are so good looking that can get by with being an unconfident wallflower when I work at displaying confidence and warmth and I don't get that attention.

Something interesting that I heard the other day.... The guy that wrote Psycho-Cybernetics, Maxwell Maltz was a plastic surgeon, and he noticed that even after profound plastic surgery, many if not most his clients noticed no change, physically or in confidence & happiness, after the plastic surgery.
 
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