I'm starting to realize that the best approach is to just introduce yourself.

[Vice]

Inner Game is what counts FIRST, then technique.

I've been going through David D's Deep Inner game, and I've realized that the best approach is to just go up to a woman/group of women and introduce myself.

No "opinion" openers, nothing "under the radar". It personally seems kind of sneaky to me if you want to meet a girl and have to be indirect about it on purpose.

Because I believe they'll respect me if I'm direct about my intentions and with my interest in them. They should respect it. If they don't that's really their own problem, they just aren't interested.

Now I am yet to approach directly, (I rarely approach because I often make it too important) but I'm going to just introduce myself and take it from there.

I've noticed that alot of these "gurus" teach alot of technique, but not much else. That's great stuff, but it can be difficult for guys who don't have themselves together. I believe that you MUST learn some inner game before anything. It solves any psychological issue that comes your way effectively, and it also teaches to just not care.

I myself have a few minor "technique" issues I still need to sort out, like over "negging" ALL the time, for example. To some that issue can be the reason why they're not doing well with women and make it a big deal. For me, it's just something I need to catch myself doing and correct myself.

I highly reccommend investing in David DeAngelo's Deep Inner Game program. I do warn you though, you will need a good amount of patience to sit through the material, as the speaker's voice is a tad bit monotone, but the material he covers is just too valuable to be bored with something as superficial as his voice.

If anyone else has gone through this program, share what your experience with it was and how it's helped you out.

 

[Cry For Love]

Whats wrong with opinion opening. Surely works on Britney Spears and Paris Hilton(according to "The Game") so cant be that bad.

Im just keyboard jockeying on this, but as a mind experiment it seems that introducing yourself is a tiny bit needy, doesnt start the conversation by making the girl prove her value by voicing a (hopefully intelligent) opinion, but instead makes her pay attention at you.

 

[Vice]

Whats wrong with opinion opening. Surely works on Britney Spears and Paris Hilton(according to "The Game") so cant be that bad.

Im just keyboard jockeying on this, but as a mind experiment it seems that introducing yourself is a tiny bit needy, doesnt start the conversation by making the girl prove her value by voicing a (hopefully intelligent) opinion, but instead makes her pay attention at you.

Haha why in God's name would you want a woman like Paris Hilton/Britney Spears? If opinion opening gets you those kinds of women, all the reason to NOT do it.

And since when is being confident needy? Confidence by its very definition is the opposite of needy. You can ask her anything you'd like after introducing yourself, including your coveted opinion opener.

I'd much rather be clear about my intentions than waste my valuable time with "indirect game". Will a woman respect you more if you hide you intentions under some crap like "what do you think of David Bowie?" or if you be up front? Sure there's a better chance of rejection, but rejection is an awesome thing because you learn from it, and it helps build your toughness.

Then again, I don't expect much from people who use "The Game" as a reference :crackup:

 

[abcd_z]

Whats wrong with opinion opening. Surely works on Britney Spears and Paris Hilton(according to "The Game") so cant be that bad.

Im just keyboard jockeying on this, but as a mind experiment it seems that introducing yourself is a tiny bit needy, doesnt start the conversation by making the girl prove her value by voicing a (hopefully intelligent) opinion, but instead makes her pay attention at you.

Uh-oh.
Run, dude.

For some reason, this forum is very anti-routines. Probably a backlash against the concept of a pickup artist, but even the PUA boards have their share of pro-natural, anti-material advocates.

Put on your asbestos suit, you're gonna get flamed.
*takes cover*

 

[Upside]

Uh-oh.
Run, dude.

For some reason, this forum is very anti-routines. Probably a backlash against the concept of a pickup artist, but even the PUA boards have their share of pro-natural, anti-material advocates.

Put on your asbestos suit, you're gonna get flamed.
*takes cover*

The problem with canned lines is that the person usually uses them ALL THE TIME with each new girl that he meets. Same opinion, same stories, hoping to get the same results. The VH1 show "The Pick Up Artist" is a perfect example of this. (I only saw like the last 4 episodes) If you are trying to get a chicks number there really shouldn't be a problem with going over how you want the convo to go.

 

[Vypros]

It has always amazed me that the types of guys who turn to PUA (the needy, clingy, nice guys who jump through hoops to try to win girls) ultimately embrace a philosophy that encourages them to, surprise surprise, jump through hoops to try and get girls to sleep with them.

You're right. The best approach is always a normal, off the cuff approach based on your surroundings (and this has been field tested by myself with success).

You have to have more confidence in yourself than to believe that you need to come up with some off-the-wall **** to get a girl's interest. 9 times out 10 it's not what you say, it's how you say it.

 

[EastWind]

I think that over-negging is an important point. A girl recently told me "you are someone who reeks of confidence... sometimes really badly, but only when coupled with your overbearing sarcasm". So you can neg too much, and not only girls. It's a bad habit of mine to be sarcastic all the time, and it puts people off. Once you're confident... the girls that are attracted to you instantly don't need work anymore. You're home free. But you CAN ruin it by looking like an insensitive jerk, which can be elegantly achieved by negging all the time.

 

[Vice]

Uh-oh.
Run, dude.

For some reason, this forum is very anti-routines. Probably a backlash against the concept of a pickup artist, but even the PUA boards have their share of pro-natural, anti-material advocates.

Put on your asbestos suit, you're gonna get flamed.
*takes cover*

You were a bit too late lol

Routines are substitutes for natural conversation. They're great as crutches, but you should wean yourself off them as quickly as possible. The reason for this is because if the conversation drifts off (like any real conversation does) to other topics the "PUA" freaks out. It's also kind of lame to rely on routines, but it's much better than not having a plan at all combined with no confidence.

 

[daygameguy]

Bottom line: Use what works best for you.

Introductions, ****y funny, negging, dhv routines, qualification as openers, non verbal gestures as openers, the list is endless....

Most guys who use routines, or are exposed to this phenomenon, don't realize that routines or whatever verbal material that comes out of your mouth, is simply a vehicle for your personality to ride in...

Its hard to debate about naturals and PUAs and who's better/more ethical.

Its all about the VIBE you create. And more importantly, its about what you can make HER do for you, how much SHE invests in you, how much SHE is into you, how much SHE loves you.

And you can do a million things to make that happen.

 

[ARrocket]

Will a woman respect you more if you hide you intentions under some crap like "what do you think of David Bowie?"

Hold the **** on...any woman who doesn't like David Bowie is obviously not worth your time

 

[Furyguy]

I agree! Introducing yourself as an opener is a great method.

PUA has it's place though. Naturals use a lot of the same tactics, Kino, Neg, CnF, they all have their place. Rarely is anything black or white. Most of us fall somewhere in between the two opposite extremes, anyways.

PUA is kinda like the dark side of the force. The quick and dirty method with the tricks for some quick victories... but it'll betray you in the end!

Nah, seriously though it's hard to hate on PUA after watching Mystery do his **** in the field. But you ever see the guy do interviews on TV? It's disappointing to say the least, and almost straight up embarrassing.

 

[Jitterbug]

Vice, so you're now all enlightened after watching some DVD. I think you should go & field-test your self-intro ice-breaker before you declare that it's the way to go and that any other opener is BS.

Far too many guys read or watch something new that turns on some tiny light bulb inside their heads and hastily jump on the Internet to post about it instead of actually field-testing it to see if it really works.

 

[trv26]

Haha why in God's name would you want a woman like Paris Hilton/Britney Spears? If opinion opening gets you those kinds of women, all the reason to NOT do it.

Because Paris Hilton, whatever else you say about her is bloody hot.

 

[Vice]

Vice, so you're now all enlightened after watching some DVD. I think you should go & field-test your self-intro ice-breaker before you declare that it's the way to go and that any other opener is BS.

Far too many guys read or watch something new that turns on some tiny light bulb inside their heads and hastily jump on the Internet to post about it instead of actually field-testing it to see if it really works.

Very true. Unfortunatley I'm sick at the moment (I think the flu, I'm not sick enough to determine yet LOL) and I have to sit inside and NOT go out in the beautiful weather and all I can do is watch movies and not move around too much. This is no excuse either way.

But you're absolutely right. By the time I get better that should be something I need to do.

I've been watching movies such as Alexander and Gladiator, and I've come to realize that there's more to life than chasing tail. Alexander never chased women, he chased his ridiculous dreams that he actually accomplished after much sacrifice and hardship! Stuff like that really inspires me, and makes women less important to me every day. Now I want to just go out and have fun and explore the world rather than sit home and pout about some woman.

Because Paris Hilton, whatever else you say about her is bloody hot.

Each to his own. I myself can't stand plastic girls like Paris, she's too superficial and skanky.

 

[MisterMcGee]

She has no facial features or definitions at all, she's just "girl with blonde hair and ugly smile" and thats it

 

[bukowski_merit]

this doesn't really work for me...
i love to build tension and be playful with women...
being too upfront kills that (i might as well be doing "modeone" otherwise)

The more there’s attraction – the more you should use indirect conversation in my opinion. The reason indirect works is because it’s playful. She knows what you’re doing but will play along. And the more she plays along - the more sexual tension builds....

that's my take... and that fits my personal taste a lot more.... i play to amuse myself first, and just introducing myself is boring... it could work due to the fact i would deliver it with confidence... but i'd much rather say something that would give her a chance to demonstrate her personal personality and flirting ability...

 

[Vice]

I have the flu!

Headache, sensitivity to cold, stomach pains, muscle cramps... I'm not really enjoying myself over here lol

 

[Solomon]

Bottom line: Use what works best for you.

Introductions, ****y funny, negging, dhv routines, qualification as openers, non verbal gestures as openers, the list is endless....

Most guys who use routines, or are exposed to this phenomenon, don't realize that routines or whatever verbal material that comes out of your mouth, is simply a vehicle for your personality to ride in...

Its hard to debate about naturals and PUAs and who's better/more ethical.

Its all about the VIBE you create. And more importantly, its about what you can make HER do for you, how much SHE invests in you, how much SHE is into you, how much SHE loves you.

And you can do a million things to make that happen.

BINGO

This is what i said in another post, do what's congruent with you, however being Natural to me is better then PUA, these chicks are hip now to it, I see guys around my town now doing this "opinion opener" stuff, personally I prefer a balance of indirect/direct, it depends on the situation. I love going direct though but it doesn't always work, you have to have versatile game or better yet super inner game that a women can pick up sub-consciously