I'm small. What's a good martial art for me?

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im small. whats a good martial art for me?

i hate people bigger than me always messing with me. i tried tai kwan do for a few weeks but its pure crap.... if i tried using ANYTHING i learned there in a street fight i would get my ass kicked even worse.

anyone have any real fighting styles i could look into? the closest place to me is a kickboxing place. would that be any good?
 

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Tae Kwon Do isn't crap. A few weeks is nothing; you need to study most martial arts for years to become effective. You cannot expect to be able to defend yourself well after a few short weeks.

In addition, your particular master or school may have been crap. It seems that you really want to study this for self-defense. Too many schools are geared towards the health and fitness aspects, the philosophy, or non-contact katas. None of these things are useful for actual self-defense unless you've trained in the art and katas for years and have completely mastered them and then, imho, it is not a sure thing -- you may very well get your ass kicked in a street fight.

Many schools, also, are looking to maximize profits (no sh!t) and therefore cater to "families and children" or "health and fitness" while others try to lure you in with "General Kim Doe's 1001 Martial Arts Forms combined into One!" and require lengthy contracts and usually have franchises for the school. These are probably not the best schools to go to.

Your best bet is to review the school for the following:

1. Are they real-world self-defense oriented?
2. Do they teach and advocate sparring and full-contact training?
3. Do they minimize the use of katas?
4. Who belongs to the school?
5. Are they family and/or health and fitness oriented?
6. Do they require a lengthy contract that incurs large
penalties upon exit?

These will all serve as a starting point for your search. The key items above are #1 and 2. If the answer to these are yes, then observe some classes before joining to make sure they are what they seem.

Good schools are hard to find. The best ones, imho, are often found in very bad areas of your locale where the true badasses train.

The "type" of art you study will not be so important for your purpose provided it is a self-defense oriented form. I know I'll get a bunch of posts on here that say this or that form is better not unlike a bunch of kids arguing who could beat whom: batman or superman.

But, the truth is that if you know your art form well, it will be effective. Here are some good forms for you, imho: tae kwon do, karate in its various forms, jujitsu (especially Brazilian style), kick boxing, regular boxing, judo, kung fu, and so on. I also know that this post will turn into a contest to see how many people can name various styles, but so be it.

One last thing. Take a good look at why you really want to study martial arts and whether it is the best use of your time.

Good luck.
 

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Look into Hapkido. Not too many B.S. forms and moves to remember, just basic self defense.
 

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What about that style Bruce Lee used? Im not 100% sure, but my dad was thinkin of enrolling me in a few classes awhile back.. I think its like 'wing tsun' (phonetically translated from chinese).
 

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If it's a real kickboxing place (not cardio-kickboxing), it might be. Ask to get a free lesson. Thai kickboxing, while primarily a sport, is supposed to be effective in real fights.

Tae Kwon Do is garbage for self-defense--it's primarily taught as a sport. Any martial art that is THAT focussed on kicking the solar plexus will earn you an ass-kicking against a person who has any understanding of what they're doing. Generally, stay away from MAs that emphasize kicking above the waist.

Most of the traditional martial arts (various styles of kung fu, karate, etc.) are better for building character than they are for fighting. Sure, a guy who has been studying karate for 10 years will be better in a fight than the average guy, but a decent street-fighter could take him apart in an instant. These martial arts' main benefit in fighting situations is giving the fighter confidence, and a bit of speed and muscular control developed through years of practice. You can develop speed, muscular control, and confidence quicker and more effectively in other ways, without having to worry about belts, katas, and bowing to your sensei.

If you want to learn how to defend yourself fairly quickly, look around on the Internet and in your area for schools that emphasize real-life techniques. These courses are often taught in seminars, or in 6-10 week intervals. A lot of times this involves beating the crap out of somone in heavy padding for practice. If a school makes you wait a couple of years to spar, it's not the right school for you.

A boxing gym will teach you how to throw and take punches (if you get in the ring). Gracie jiu-jitsu and western wrestling should be good grappling techniques. Try joining your wrestling team if you're in high school still.


Since your main problem is that bigger guys are always messing with you, your main solution shouldn't be martial arts. Telling an opponent "I know karate" isn't going to stop him from picking on you; in fact, it'll probably draw a laugh. Bigger guys who mess with smaller guys for fun are too insecure to compete with guys their size, so they talk **** to little guys who they know won't talk back. You mostly need to develop an attitude that you won't take **** from anyone regardless of their size, and project it whenever a big guy starts bullying you around. They don't want a fight, and they'll back down in almost all cases (drunks and druggies excluded). There was a guy on my football team in high school who was about 5'8" and 165 lbs. I remember one day one of our teammates, who was well over 6' and 280 lbs (pretty solid too), started giving him **** in the locker room. The littler guy wanted none of it, and while I can't remember what he said to the big guy, I do remember his face and his eyes immediately after he said it, and I remember the big guy shutting up immediately, losing any modicum of ****iness, and walking away. This didn't involve any verbal threat of physical violence, just the right attitude and a stern "**** off".

It's the few times your brain and your attitude don't keep you out of fights that you need to know martial arts.
 

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thanks a lot for the help. youve all been extremely helpful. and yeah, the place that im talking about is completely BS, not necessarily the whole art in general. for gods sake, my sister is a black belt! its such a joke.

well anyway, i guess i might have to go to downtown detroit. i really hate it there, but i agree with whoever said the bad neighborhoods have the real self defense. i guess i just didnt want to admit it.
 

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There are not many styles that are good as a defense. Only go for styles that do full contact or grappling styles. For grappling do any style except judo. Im not saying that judo sucks, but the sports oriented training will teach you stuff that will get you killed in a real fight, maybe do some judo later on when you know the basics.

Here are some styles that are good:

Kyokushin Karate
Shidokan Karate
Ishinryu Karate

Thai Boxing
Kick Boxing
Western Boxing

Wrestling
Brazillian Jujitsu

Although I recommend these styles remember that even a great style sucks when taught by a **** teacher.

Also a real good idea is to do some strength training. Whoever said that strength isnt important in fighting was a ****head.
 

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take a look at Krav Maga

It's a form of close quarter combat that was developed for the Israeli army and most law enforcement agencys are adopting it.

I'm currently at my third level (theres no kata and that bull****)
and i'm confident in most situations now ie knife fights, firearm disarms, chokes, headlocks, groundfighting etc.

Krav Maga is a firce well rounded combat fighting system for all sizes

www.kravmaga.com
www.krav-maga.com
www.kravmagainc.com
 

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I'll be getting trained in Mixed Martials arts in the Military, and on top of that Im signing up for a boxing group sometime this week.
 

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Every martial art was made for the small guy. The reason traditional martial arts was invented is because the prince of India saw a crane kill a gorilla. With skill, size and strength don't matter.

Typical american Taekwondo is pretty gay and ineffective. Every martial art is useful, the problem is finding an effective sensei and a good school.

The best styles to look for in America would be Muay Thai, Western Boxing, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and ****o Ryu or anything japanese. Those guys are probably pretty serious about it, but you must look around, see who's hardcore.
 

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With skill, size and strength don't matter IF you're fighting a strong opponent who's a moron. Don't discount size and strength--you'll get yourself into trouble.


That crane killing a gorilla thing is a myth.
 

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The gorilla grabbed the crane by it's wings. The crane put a claw into its chest and a beak through his eye. How are you to say this has never happened?

Skill is the most important factor. Then comes speed. Then comes strength.
 

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Originally posted by Soshyopathe
The gorilla grabbed the crane by it's wings. The crane put a claw into its chest and a beak through his eye. How are you to say this has never happened?

Wow, you're looking at this the wrong way. You made the (highly unlikely) claim that traditional martial arts came about because an Indian prince observed a pair of animals. While that might make a neat fable to tell students of Asian martial arts, it doesn't line up with an understanding of human societies. People have been studying how to fight since combat became necessary, which means they've been studying it since the beginning of the human race. They've been teaching it as long as socially concerned humans have felt the need to protect each other. They've been institutionalizing the teaching of it since cities/towns needed to train members to defend or steal land or property. What I'm saying is: the martial arts have been around for millenia--long before the reach of history (and your story). Besides the flaw in your argument (hint: you don't defend a statement, historical or otherwise, by saying "how can you know?"; you present evidence to back it up), the story just doesn't hold water, and there are much simpler and more satisfactory explanations.
 

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Originally posted by nw1512
take a look at Krav Maga

It's a form of close quarter combat that was developed for the Israeli army and most law enforcement agencys are adopting it.

I'm currently at my third level (theres no kata and that bull****)
and i'm confident in most situations now ie knife fights, firearm disarms, chokes, headlocks, groundfighting etc.

Krav Maga is a firce well rounded combat fighting system for all sizes

www.kravmaga.com
www.krav-maga.com
www.kravmagainc.com
IS there any sparring in Krav maga or just staged drills?
 

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Originally posted by bigforearms
Wow, you're looking at this the wrong way. You made the (highly unlikely) claim that traditional martial arts.... blah blah...... I'm a jackass..... simpler and more satisfactory explanations.
If you would read what I wrote, you would notice "Traditional" in front of "Martial Arts." This is the asian art that we all know and love, not greek wrestling, not viking axe-throwing, not neanderthal stick-fighting.

Where the hell do you think they got all the animal systems from (crane, snake, leopard, tiger, chicken, etc.) if it weren't for watching animals and studying their movement.

Stop being a prick, really.
 
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Originally posted by sonick182
What about that style Bruce Lee used? Im not 100% sure, but my dad was thinkin of enrolling me in a few classes awhile back.. I think its like 'wing tsun' (phonetically translated from chinese).
Uh...no.

Bruce Lee's Style was called Jeet Kune Do and was actually developed out of Kung Fu, more specifially the Wing Chun style.
 

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Syso Are you insulting Axe Throwing? CAuse I will have you know I am decended of Viking Nobility and I think that axe throwing is Genetic, cause Im a ****ing machine.
 

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Originally posted by Soshyopathe
Why be an ass? 'Wing Tsun' is pretty damn close to Wing Chun.

Wing Tsun and Wing Chun are two different anglicized spellings of the same couple of words. There is no "right" spelling of Chinese words in English. There are two generally accepted spelling rule-sets, but they're not set in stone.


Yes, I realize that you were talking about traditional martial arts. Your story was still crap. And flaming someone because you're wrong isn't very web forum practice.


And animal forms aren't universal to the traditional Asian martial arts.
 
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