I'm Evil and should be destoryed.

[paphnuitius]

I have been reading so many threads, the I decided to post this. I'll be intested to see what you have to say.
Paphnuitius!

What is Love: I have to start this statement by clarifying what is NOT love.

• Love is not an emotion.
• Love is not temporary.
• Love is not a phase.
• Love is not passive.
• Love is not self-serving.
• Love is not dispensable.
• Love is not critical of another.
• Love is not angry.
• Love is not controllable.
• Love is not exclusive.
• Love is not defeated.

Love IS this:

• Love is a state of being.
• Love is eternal, and always changing.
• Love is active; it diminishes when passive.
• Love is a state that constantly seeks to enhance the beloved.
• Love is as necessary as breath to sustain life.
• Love is accepting of the beloved in all their myriad shapes, forms, ideas, and states.
• Love is transcending. It transcends any logic, opinions, constraints, or other man made concepts.
• Love is constantly renewable.
• Love is simple.

A few statements concerning Love:

God is Love, and they who live in love live in God, and God in them. (Recognize that there is NO “but, or, and except” in that statement.

We love everyone to a certain degree; it is only with closeness and sharing that we can love more.

Love is eternal, it is only the depth of that love that can change.
A mother’s love is limitless; but it can diminish. A Child’s love towards its parents is limitless; but it also can diminish. The love of a spouse is limitless; but it can diminish.

Love never dies, it changes, it adapts, it grows stronger, or it ebbs; yet there is always some vestige of love.

Everyone has the capacity to Love.

Love does not “happen”. Love is a cognizant decision to love.

One does not have to possess the object of one’s love; one must simply Love them.

Love is maintained by actively being engaged in the act of loving.

The most beautiful gift in the world is the expression of Love, and its acceptance by the beloved.

e. e. cummings wrote the following about love:

“(i do not know what it is about you that closes
and opens; only something in me understands
the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses)
nobody, not even the rain, has such small hands.”

Touch is the language of Love.

 

[ER!C L!VE]

God is Love, and they who live in love live in God, and God in them. (Recognize that there is NO “but, or, and except” in that statement.

Touch is the language of Love.

U high on Jesus or MDMA?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I'd say you need to lay off the Precious Moments inspirational calendars for a while.

 

[joekerr31]

in my view of the world there is...

there is childish love, mature love, familial love and enlightened love.

childish love is being obsessed with something and seeking its possession and approval. this love is conditional on you getting what you want. (this is the most common form of love youll see in the world)

mature love is caring about someone else as much, or more, than you care about yourself AND being prepared to do what is in that other persons best interest even if it requires sacrifice on your part. (youll see this love expressed from parents to children, and sometimes youll see it in marriages).

familial love is a love rooted in history. this is a very unique form of love because you can not see a sibling for years, or fight with them all the time, but you none the less love each other. theres no real emotive expression love here, its more a committment that at the end of the day you will help each other out. familial love is kind of like the love most people have for themselves - sure people love themselves, but they don't feel that love on a daily basis.

enlightened love is a love for all things. its mature love, but applied to people you don't know, animals, etc.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Chicken Soup for the AFC Soul?

 

[paphnuitius]

Joekker31
Thank you !

I posted this to begin a discussion. Thank you for saying what you think. I am amazed at all the "Opinions" I got. Every line I posted could have had a response.. I value your commentary.

Sincerely;
Paphnuitius

 

[penkitten]

the topic contradicts everything this thread stands for...
not that this is a bad topic

i am actually glad someone made a post about this, seeing that half the people that are coming to lurk around, think they are in love and dying because it is not going so well for them.

perhaps joekerr's reply will help enlighten many.
i will add that you can feel familiar love towards friends that you have. sometimes life gets in the way and you don't see them for a while or you have a fight, you still love them none the less and can usually pick right back up where you left off when you do see them again.

enlightened love is so rare these days. when people actually care about people that they have not met, and things of that nature. tree hugging hippies always seem very enlightened...?

 

[jophil28]

• Love is not an emotion.
• Love is not temporary.
• Love is not a phase.
• Love is not passive.
• Love is not self-serving.
• Love is not dispensable.
• Love is not critical of another.
• Love is not angry.
• Love is not controllable.
• Love is not exclusive.
• Love is not defeated.

.

THis pretty much sums up my last LTR with a BPD woman/child in 2006 -
Say NO to Personalty Disordered woman.

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo Paphnuitius,

ALSO, a person's view of the concept of LOVE itself, and their reaction to being the recipient of a TRUE expression of it usually reveals and/or exposes just how much of it they have actually previously experienced in their personal lives-----right up to that exact moment.

Are they comfortable with it? Or are they uncomfortable with it? Are they OVERLY suspicious of even the idea of it? Usually people tend to FEAR, or DISTRUST the unknown. And those who have no real knowledge of LOVE often tend to react in the ways in which I have just described.

Because there is a peace and a comfortability that comes with experiencing a Truth (see----"LOVE") that only comes from a past RECOGNITION of it.

Recognition: Defined as RE (again), COGNITION (to know, or the act or process "of" knowing or "having" known). So, RECOGNITION literally means----to know again.

And to those who have NO experiential knowledge of such a thing, is it any wonder that they would have problems, or apprehensions, or disbelief when being confronted with something that they do not "RECOGNIZE"????

The pure unadulterated POWER OF LOVE often alters the perceptions of those who are struck by the sheer STARKNESS of it----it changes things------and it changes people, by altering their previously strongly held view of the world and the people in it.

In fact, the sudden and sometimes shocking appearance of LOVE in a person's life often cuts through the fog of their usual, everyday, pedestrian-like existence. And once it DOES, it creates a demarcation, a moment of decision, or a dividing line------separating past from PRESENT, bitterness from HOPE, and apathy from PASSION.

Yes...personally, I have found that LOVE is indeed far from a passive emotion, but is instead, a CONQUERING FORCE.


Peace...THIS day.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Yeah I wasn't surprised at the first couple of cynical responses to this thread.

"chicken soup for the AFC soul"?

• Love is not an emotion.
• Love is not temporary.
• Love is not a phase.
• Love is not passive.
• Love is not self-serving.
• Love is not dispensable.
• Love is not critical of another.
• Love is not angry.
• Love is not controllable.
• Love is not exclusive.
• Love is not defeated.

You're talking about that, right?

Anyways, good post, paphnuitius. What does that name mean anyways?

 

[paphnuitius]

Phaphutus

was a Bishop at the council of Nicea.
He argued against the clergy being forced to give up their wives and live a life of celebacy.. He won the discussion.

So.. at least one person in that world understood the power of sex, and contentment.
hence my choice of his name.

Paphnuitius

 

[Interceptor]

I think Victory's post make the most sense to Frame around Pap's post.

That is, like I have often said, people who have a healthy Experience of Love can Love healthily, and plentifully as well.
People who lack Self Love, and Positive expereinces of Love and Affection have great difficulty RECEIVING it and GIVING it, despite what they THINK they are doing and feeling.
I see it ALL the damn time.

If you don't have it inside you or at least enough, you WILL NOT RECOGNIZE it IN OTHERS.
And if you don't RECOGNIZE it, how can you APPRECIATE it?

Easy, you don't.

Story of a lot of guys.........

 

[reset]

Well I may have not experienced it before but that's not going to stop me from creating new healthy relationships in the future. Even if it might be for the "first time". All I can recognize is what I have in me, I hope the more I have that love in me I can recognize it in others. I can at least see how I confused drama with love. I'm learning what it's NOT, so that's something.

 

[romangod]

After going through a near-death experience I've learned that "LOVE" is the most powerful force in the universe. If one can master the ability to give and receive Love the world is theirs. A person who cannot Love is destined for a spiritual 'Hell' and the torment that comes with it.

To Love takes practise, patience and an open heart.

 

[paphnuitius]

Now that the snowball fight has subsided Allow me to say a few things. I posted the first posting to see where people were, to see how folks would react, and see what a reaction I would get on an intensely felt, and flamable object as Love.

Interesting to me what it revealed.

My post was flamed by people that looked at the words, but didn't read what was written, only their knee jerk reactions.

If one were to look at their own response, you might be amazed to see where you are pinned to the wall.

In response to one comment "It seems you are almost equating sex and love".. I'm not doing that YOU are! I said Touch is the language of love. Touch is one of the most wonderful things you can do to another human being. Sex and Touch have nothing in common, unless you are using the touch to enhance the sex. Learn to greet an elderly person with a two handed handshake, it probably will be the first time anyone (except their Dr) has touched them in months, if not years !

In one posting someone said that "the topic contradicts everything this thread stands for...
" I would firmly disagree on that point. Most of the guys on this site are looking for "love.. no matter how they define it"... its just that they are afraid to discuss it. Real Men want love; if you didn't you would d!ck something, and walk away whistling... so lets be open and honest... Real men can talk about love; no matter how sensitive we are about the topic. If you are going to whine and whimper about it, at least be honest enough to admit.. thats what you are looking for. Maybe someone on here will be able to say.. uhhh Dude... you don't know what it is...

In ending my posting on this I wish to make one last comment. I DON'T have Answers, I just have questions. The more answers I get, the more questions I acquire. Gentleman, learn to ask the questions, and be less free to give an opinion, your opinions change, and so do the answers.

Thank you for those that shared their thoughts.
I hope that we all continue to learn from each other

Paphnuitius

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

So essentially anyone disagreeing with your pollyanna truisms about love is a pitiable, jaded cynic who's never experienced this ephemeral metaphysic love you're describing.

OK, got it. Thanks. 58 years old huh?

 

[Last Man Standing]

Love is a created genetic human trait that was made to bring humans together so that we may elevate the species to our fullest potential!! Human demons are trying to destroy this natural inclination by spreading mass lies in the media that they control to foment strife by creating selfish hate which ends in mass death. Love is life - hate is death!!

This is why God is Love because He is the creator of life - the wicked hate this life creation, and want to destroys humanity, in all it]s forms! Destroy the woman, destroy the child, destroy the family!! This is the purpose of those behind the Homo/Hor Matrix!! Evil has become fair-seeming - it's a lie - lies destroy lives, and liars cannot love!!

Our modern-day love is perverted!, because our minds have been corrupted!!!!

 

[Last Man Standing]

I loved your post. Certainly not what I expected when clicking on the title! There are also some great responses as well.





Victory, I have always enjoyed your posts and your poetic way of delivering them. I don't post very often on the board but I have been soaking up knowledge here for a while. Your response I thought was very on point.

I was salsa dancing on new years eve with a beautiful girl, we were making out and all that in between, and she says..."I like you". She didn't speak much english, I didn't speak much spanish but we had quite a connection anyway. Later on in the night, still on the dance floor, she YELLS at me " I LOVE YOU!". She said the same thing several other times during the rest of the night.

I felt the way you have described in the last part of your post. We only knew each other for one night but it really did change me, I think permanently. I just have this kind of satisfaction knowing that that love existed, and still exists in me. It certainly was shocking, and certainly cut through my everyday existence as you put it. Of course I said I love you too!! and I meant it. This may sound grandiose but it gave me hope and positivity in a world where extreme disgusting violence is an everyday occurence.

This is the perverted type of modern day " love" that I was talking about in my post above!! This is not love - it is selfishness!!! If you took this as genuine love then, my man, something us wrong with you!!!! Her faLSE STATEMENT Of love is an insult to you!!

 

[Last Man Standing]

Nah, you weren't there, you have absolutely no idea LMS. It was spontaneous, definitely nothing selfish about it. I don't think you would know love if it walked up and smacked you in the face, judging by most of your paranoid schizophrenic posts. By the way thinking that you are omniscient is a delusion of grandeur common in schizophrenic individuals, per your sig.

You are the delusional one if you think that a person you met 7 minutes ago, at a club, who starts kissing you and then she tells you that she loves you AND you believe that shyt!!!! Wake up kid - The Matrix has you!! You are delusional - so your statements regarding my mental state are null and void!!

Perverts do not know how to love because they are selfish empty vessels! She is a pervert of her feminine self!!

Don't let the lack of love and affection from others warp your senses and emotions - pm me if you need further guidance!

 

[joekerr31]

LMS is right. that was not love.

meeting some chick, having a good time, and then her telling you she loves you is NOT love.

you are making the mistake of thinking love is a word. as long as someone says they love you, then obviously they must.

she had extremely high IL in you. that is not love. that is attraction.

attraction is a great start and can easily turn in to love given time. but its totally AFC to say you met some woman one night, danced with her, she said she loved you and it changed your life forever.

heres what actually happened. you danced with a woman. both of you had extremely high IL. this set off a rush of feel good chemicals in your brain (dopamine, serotonine, norepinephrine, etc.) and you got 'higher' than you ever had before. you felt like 'wow, the universe is a great place to be'. that 'high' changed your view of what life could be.

but its still not LOVE.

go take a hit of heroine and you'll get hte same experience.

love is not a just a high, love is an intimate understanding of a person followed by a total commitment to and acceptance of that person.