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speed dawg said:
Hilarious that most of you jump to the defensive instead of seeing the message he is trying to convey. The idea is becoming a fully mature, adult man. Anything that takes away from that is garbage. Anything emotional, self-serving, immediate gratification type crap should go away.

The deal is, take the time to type correctly. You will be taken more seriously because you put in the extra effort. You weakness is the inability to go that extra half second.

On the smoking deal, I love cigarettes too, but it's no secret that they are more dangerous than a cigar, as cigars are more natural with less sh*t in them. I think they both are radioactive though and will give you cancer. So, while a bit of a reach, I get what Karma is saying. MOST people that smoke hate it. Their addiction is caused by their weakness. THAT is what is to be avoided.

The last sentence is the summary. Remember that ego and self-preservation is the biggest obstacle to men's breakthrough.
Articulated perfectly brother. It is a shame, though I fully expected, the inexperienced and ego-glamorized to immediately jump up and down in full-blown tantrum, rather than take a moment or two and ingest what I was saying.

Rubbing against the monotonous grain (running rampant throughout this forum) is the idea to think ahead of where you are. I don't want, nor do I need to satiate any bland sense of blown ego by desperately seeking and recruiting followers to my way of thinking. I don't give a good-goddamn if you believe one thing or another. Why I started this thread was to illustrate a point that you will never achieve your full potential by blindly following the pastiche or popular fad. Break away from the comfort of your own insecurity.

That's how you'll grow.
 

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speed dawg said:
The deal is, take the time to type correctly. You will be taken more seriously because you put in the extra effort. You weakness is the inability to go that extra half second.
I think there is a time, place, and a use for emoticons and text speak. I know some people don't like them, but to me they are just another tool in the communication box. For example, I have a rather dry sense of humor, and I've found that if I don't put the smiley at the end of some of my posts, some people are going to think I was serious. So they serve their purpose. It's not like you would put them into a business proposal.
 

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zekko said:
I think there is a time, place, and a use for emoticons and text speak. I know some people don't like them, but to me they are just another tool in the communication box. For example, I have a rather dry sense of humor, and I've found that if I don't put the smiley at the end of some of my posts, some people are going to think I was serious. So they serve their purpose. It's not like you would put them into a business proposal.
Did you read the previous two posts above yours that I have quoted? How have you still not gotten this?
 

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KarmaSutra said:
Articulated perfectly brother. It is a shame, though I fully expected, the inexperienced and ego-glamorized to immediately jump up and down in full-blown tantrum, rather than take a moment or two and ingest what I was saying.

Rubbing against the monotonous grain (running rampant throughout this forum) is the idea to think ahead of where you are. I don't want, nor do I need to satiate any bland sense of blown ego by desperately seeking and recruiting followers to my way of thinking. I don't give a good-goddamn if you believe one thing or another. Why I started this thread was to illustrate a point that you will never achieve your full potential by blindly following the pastiche or popular fad. Break away from the comfort of your own insecurity.

That's how you'll grow.
K..."I smell what you're stepping in". If this thread was proactively contrived to help men better understand the fundamentals of growing into who or what they want to be.

However, I think the acronym and cigar analogy wet my appetite but left me wanting more.

Looking in a mirror and being someone you can be happy with may take a few more personal touches then this.

How about stance? Shoulders back or forward? Proud men stand tall.

How about eye contact? Proud men can carry an eye to eye conversation with anyone.

How about vocabulary? Proud men can speak intelligently and eloquently.

How about hobbies and careers? Proud men take life by the horns.

So...No cigars for me. George Prepard and the A-team are gone. and Beer commercials with the world's most interesting man aren't all that interesting.

So no satiating the blown ego or becoming a follower from me, but thank you for pointing out the need for some men to search introspectively before looking in the mirror...........I think Michael Jackson wrote a song about this.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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speed dawg said:
Did you read the previous two posts above yours that I have quoted? How have you still not gotten this?
Don't take the fact that I quoted your post as a refutation of what you were saying. I did not say that I disagreed with you, I was using what you were saying as a jumping off point for me to say something else.
 

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Dear Karma,
Hope I may be familiar....Your list of "men of valor, stance, confidence, and power."seemed to include dear Alister Crawly...Is that the same Heroin addicted homo sexual Satanist who,bailed out on his Country in WW1?
 
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speed dawg said:
Did you read the previous two posts above yours that I have quoted? How have you still not gotten this?
From my experiences, as well as many others, taking the time to be grammatically correct when texting females is only going to hurt your chances. I get much better responses when I'm short with them and don't use punctuation. Like it or not, that's the world we live in.

The original poster was talking about attracting women, so I assumed that's what your post was about. Now, if you were meaning professionally, then obviously you should show your intelligence by using the English language properly. That's common sense.

While I'm at it, cigars are horrible for picking up women, and this is coming from someone who enjoys them. Last one I had was a rocky Patel 1990, and I seem to remember some chick commenting on how bad it smelled. She obviously doesn't know sh1t, but her thoughts are common amongst females (not just females - anyone that doesn't smoke cigars).
 

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zekko said:
I think there is a time, place, and a use for emoticons and text speak. I know some people don't like them, but to me they are just another tool in the communication box. For example, I have a rather dry sense of humor, and I've found that if I don't put the smiley at the end of some of my posts, some people are going to think I was serious. So they serve their purpose. It's not like you would put them into a business proposal.
Zekko, you're such a fvcking know-it-all.

...Now compare that to:

Zekko, you're such a fvcking know-it-all ;)

I'm very much the same way. Smileys are the only effective way to communicate facial expressions through text, and they can make a HUGE difference when you're trying to portray your sense of humour.
 

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TyTe`EyEz said:
From my experiences, as well as many others, taking the time to be grammatically correct when texting females is only going to hurt your chances. I get much better responses when I'm short with them and don't use punctuation. Like it or not, that's the world we live in.
I like you, dude, so don't take this personally; I take issue with the myth of "text game".

Your experience is not my experience. Texting is ineffectual (limp-wristed) communication, thus a waste of time. My experience has been that eloquent speaking, with clear pronunciation, strong annunciation, without slang or jargon OVER THE PHONE out-produces texting by a longshot.

But, the main part of the above quoted that tweaks my nose is the acquiescence. Rather than have some pride and protest, or at least persistence for leadership sake, you accept the norm, and conform to it, even tout it's "merits", despite the glaring ignorance. Despite the ignorance of the practice to begin with, you go beyond ignorant to appear even less intelligent? Although you would prefer to not change your good habits, you cast aside your pride to appear less smart while playing texty games?

I can't think of a more shameful bunch of pandering to women, or a worse example of a backwards DJ attitude at the moment.

With an attitude like "let's text poorly because it works with women", intelligent people may just as well put a bullet in their heads and usher in Idiocracy sooner-than-later. By default, ANY text you send is ignorant: you have a phone in your hand. "But I don't have time to talk on the phone!" is just an ignorant excuse: why do you have a phone, then? To text? If texting is why you have a phone, do you have a car so you can push it wherever you go? Texting, via phone, is clearly the "wrong tool for the job".

Yes, yes, I know: "everyone is doing it". I got that text from a lemming, once. I didn't respond to it. Their "hamster" must be going crazy.

Consider, also, that we tell guys "don't be too available". How is texting not contrary to this principle? I can't see how it couldn't be. We don't spam women 5 e-mails a day to get into their panties. We don't make five phone calls a day to a woman, either. So, how is it that sending five text messages a day isn't "too available"? That's the point: text game is no game.

A texting male's actions declare that they are scared to talk to women. If they weren't, they'd use the tool in their hand for what it's meant for. Instead, these less-than-males hide behind a little screen and avoid real-time interaction...

...being "too available" all the while.

Text game = No game.

Anyone who uses the expression "text game" to infer some sort of skill or success with women needs to look up "oxymoron" in the dictionary. "Text game" just isn't a real, possible concept. There are far too many dynamics which undermine a man's game to claim that there is any benefit, and that's regardless of anything you type. Metering out your attention in little text doses is exactly why women love playing that video game: little "Hershey's Kisses" of attention to savor throughout their days.

I fully understand Kharma Sutra's dismay: it appears that there are more women posing as men in the manosphere than actual men anymore. That's tough for any person with two testicles to watch. But to have to watch the core principles of "game" be perverted and bastardized on top of it? It's like watching a self-proclaimed "man" play a game of candy crush against a chick and listening to him tell you that "if I beat her this round, she'll be D, T, F."

Does one have some pride and lash out? Or, choke down their pride and encourage decay simply for the sake of getting a glimpse of the almighty gold-plated vagina? Where do we draw a line? The problem is that we don't take a stance in this politically correct world of non-confrontation anymore, on anything.
 

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Vulpine, you beat me to it and said it better than I could.

These 'text-game' proponents are effectively entering the domain of children. It's immaturity. I mean, look at TyTy's post, all about EARNING the affection of 'women' by doing what they want. And it's obvious.....all the insults are coming from that side.....which generally means they are covering up an insecurity.
 

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speed dawg said:
...all about EARNING the affection of 'women' by doing what they want.
That's just it.

When a woman starts yelling at us, surely we don't yell back and sound dumber doing it. Obviously, that's anti-game. But texting back-and-forth with chick is good "game"? When a woman slaps you, you're supposed to slap her back, but better somehow?

I don't buy into that, at all.

Text messages have no practicality beyond one-sided information conveyance like "stuck in traffic" or "don't forget milk". Even sending hand-written letters via the postal service is much better "game" than texting. "Everyone abuses the text function of their phone" is no incentive to jump on the bandwagon.
 

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I'm sure there's more pressing points to attend to? Rather than chastising ourselves for LOLing on the internet.


Don't LOL in real live though, that sucks.
 
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Y'all aren't wrong.

A lot of chicks refuse to talk on the phone, especially early on in the courting process. All they do is text. There's no getting around it. Call it what you like, but there's an art to it. You have to display value without coming off as desperate. Do you know how hard that is to accomplish through text? It's the new mating dance lmao smh

Also, I really don't use acronyms. It's more about short responses that are sent randomly. And you should never send more than her.
 
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And on Karma's rant, I agree with him on the acronym deal.
I mean, it took me ages to figure out what fvck NAWALT and MGTOW meant. And they do look kind of gay in type.
Is it that much longer to type: "Not all bytches are like that" ahhh, I mean, "Not all women are like that"?
 

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MidnightCity said:
i was corresponding with a former professor via text because this is simply what she preferred.
Oh. Well, I was corresponding with a Victoria's Secret model via message-in-a-bottle because this is simply what she preferred.

TyTe`EyEz said:
A lot of chicks refuse to talk on the phone, especially early on in the courting process. All they do is text. There's no getting around it.
And you don't see any red flags about these women? "No getting around it"?
Why would you want to "get around" to socially dysfunctional women? Why do you bother with women who don't want to talk to you?

How many times have you guys been out with a woman, say something "complex", and, because you didn't have an "lol" or an emoticon, she sat there staring at you like a zombie, a deer in the headlights, without any idea how to respond? For me, it's one of the most repulsive aspects of dating: social ineptitude.

Sure, one can point at the invention of the telephone, and the subsequent invention of "phone game", and claim "technology!". But, it is side-stepping the point. Texting is not conducive to attraction or seduction. At least on the phone, there is a unique voice, not simply just some black-and-white text that is visually like all the other beta-orbiters' attention-lavishing texts.

Not texting creates mystery. Not texting means you're not too available. Not texting means a woman has to talk to you, with her voice. If she can't handle that, then she's ƒucking dysfunctional, and should be in the "undatable" category. Next. If she "can't find time" for a phone call, she's not interested: next. If she needs to read a bunch of text to get stimulation, she can get on her smartphone, jump on Amazon.com, order up a vibrator and a romance novel, and have that sh¡t shipped to her door. If she needs to get laid, she can talk to me, with her voice, in good, old-fashioned, real life, where you can smell pheromones and touch genitals.

Don't let yourself be confused: being adept at socializing in virtual reality is being virtually adept at socializing.

If you can't quit texting, they have support groups for people who are addicted to video games.
 

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Vulpine said:
Don't let yourself be confused: being adept at socializing in virtual reality is being virtually adept at socializing.
Truth.

People try to separate the two. Message boards, facebook, texting, etc.....that's YOU. It's just hiding things. Of course, hiding things is the point of those types of deceptive communications anyway.
 

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i was corresponding with a former professor via text because this is simply what she preferred. i understand that people are not always available for a phone call even though that is my preferred method of communication..
Personally, I hate telephones, I think they are the most annoying thing ever invented. Especially when you talk to people and they want to hang on the phone and chat. If someone has something to tell me, I'd much prefer they text it to me. That is much less intrusive than a phone call, which chances are I am not going to answer anyway. I'll just let it go to voice mail, so all my calls are automatically screened.

With texting, I can read it when I get around to it. And I can answer it when I get around to it. The nice thing about texting is there is no obligation to respond to a text in a certain amount of time. I may answer you today, I may answer you tomorrow. I may answer you the day after that. I may not answer you at all. I don't see how that is being "too available".
 

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zekko said:
With texting, I can read it when I get around to it. And I can answer it when I get around to it. The nice thing about texting is there is no obligation to respond to a text in a certain amount of time. I may answer you today, I may answer you tomorrow. I may answer you the day after that. I may not answer you at all. I don't see how that is being "too available".
Well, duh.

zekko said:
With voicemail, I can listen to it when I get around to it. And I can answer it when I get around to it. The nice thing about voicemail is there is no obligation to respond to a voicemail in a certain amount of time. I may answer you today, I may answer you tomorrow. I may answer you the day after that. I may not answer you at all. I don't see how that is being "too available".
I'm still not seeing how much more practical it is to play texty games. You're pointing out your personal protocols, which can apply to anything.

zekko said:
With a message-in-a-bottle, I can read it when I get around to it. And I can answer it when I get around to it. The nice thing about a message-in-a-bottle is there is no obligation to respond to a message-in-a-bottle in a certain amount of time. I may answer you today, I may answer you tomorrow. I may answer you the day after that. I may not answer you at all. I don't see how that is being "too available".
zekko said:
With a passenger pigeon, I can read it when I get around to it. And I can answer it when I get around to it. The nice thing about a passenger pigeon is there is no obligation to respond to a passenger pigeon in a certain amount of time. I may answer you today, I may answer you tomorrow. I may answer you the day after that. I may not answer you at all. I don't see how that is being "too available".
I was going to try for "smoke signals" and "signal flags" next, but, you do actually have some time restraints to read and respond to those.

Clearly you understand what being "too available" is in this context. You are one that likely wouldn't have a back-and-forth conversation over a series of 5, 10, or 15 text messages. Others don't make that distinction, and it shows by the posts here. "Quick! What should I text next? I've sent her 20 messages, this is the last one she sent. It looks like I'm losing her. How do I respond?"

Unless you can point out, specifically, how having a text conversation is superior to having a voice conversation, my point stands: it's ineffective communication. It's for kids passing notes in class, not for adults trying to get together for sex.
 

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Unless you can point out, specifically, how having a text conversation is superior to having a voice conversation, my point stands: it's ineffective communication. It's for kids passing notes in class, not for adults trying to get together for sex.
Then use the phone. If that's what you want to do, I have no problem with that. As I said, I hate telephones. So I would rather text. And I haven't been a kid in a classroom for a very long time. I'm not trying to tell anyone else what to do, this is just my preference.

But I will point out that it takes less time to fire off a text than it does to respond to a voicemail. Regarding voice communication: I would rather do that in person than over the phone. Not that I swear off the phone completely, there's a time and place for it. But I find most of the time when I use the phone it's for work, not play.
 
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