I'm 25, she's 18, need some serious advice

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Sup fellas (and ladies?). I'm in an interesting situation and am not exactly sure what course of action to take, if any. Please read everything I have to say before rushing to judgement.
Let me lay the groundwork first:
I'm 25 and am interested in an 18 year old female who will be turning 19 very soon. I've been friends with her and her family for over a decade and know them all really well. I love all of them, they love me, it's a good situation.
She just left to go to school on an athletic scholarship and was also a valedictorian and class president of her school. Not only that but she is very attractive, well grounded, etc. I know she'll work hard in school and come out with some impressive agree--she's just the type of girl who's successful in whatever she does.
Now, having said that, I'm 25 and am currently a security guard and a part time student. I'm thisclose to getting my AA in Criminal Justice and am very confident that I will be a cop within the next year. In fact I'm already through stage one of the hiring process, and will be taking the physical/written tests in a month or so.
I know this girl is 7 years younger than me, and at the age we're at, 7 years is at least fairly significant. It won't be an issue a few years from now, but right now it could be. The thing is, this girl is a catch. A great catch--and my emotions are in check when I say this--someone I could definitey see myself marrying further down the road. I don't want to miss out and have her end up with some other dude because I failed to act.
Backing up a bit though...ever since I've known her we've always gotten along really well. We've had fun together and just click, and I'm not talking about any sort of romantic thing, I just mean on a friendship/general interaction level. I feel that she's always looked up to me (and possibly had a crush on me) for sometime now, and I seriously doubt it's ever entered her mind that I could be interested in her.
Which is part of the problem: I'm not really on her radar screen at the moment. I've never contacted her for the sake of contacting her because that would be...well, weird, I think--maybe you would disagree though. I'm friends with her mom, but haven't talked to her in probably a year. It's a situation where I could show up at their doorstep though and they would be stoked to see me, invite me in, bake me cookies, etc.
I forgot to mention that she's at school 2 hours away from me. Not a huge distance, but still a distance nonetheless. I understand that she's young, and this is a new stage in her life. I accept and appreciate that, and want to give her space to be herself. But as I said, I don't want to miss out and wonder what would or could have been.
Another thing, she has a boyfriend at the moment. This really doesn't concern me, like, at all. I've talked to one of her friends and she says their relationship isn't anything serious and they will probably be breaking up soon anyway. And I have a feeling that if I were to go after her, she'd ditch that other guy in a second.
So for one, do you think I should pursue her now, or is it too soon? Back off and wait a couple years? If you think I should go after it, what's the best way to go about it? I want to not come across as creepy AT ALL, but fun, exciting, confident yet indifferent about her. Thing is how do I instigate something with her and maintain that level of indifference?
Also, do you think I should get her email address from her friend and email her? Or should I go through the parents given our friendship situation and the age difference? I know her parents like me but I also haven't told them that I'm interested in their daughter. I think they'd still like me after I told them that, but that doesn't mean they'd approve of me pursuing her.

I have some ideas of my own but I'd really like to hear what you other DJs out there think. I am open to encouragement, critisicm, pretty much anything so long as it's constructive.

One last thing, I'm also concerned that because she's been soooo successful in the classroom and student government, etc, that she'll be looking for someone similarly successful in those areas. I've never been a classroom guy--I graduated high school with a 3.1 gpa and as I said I almost have my AA, but I just don't like classrooms. I like learning, and am well cultured. I've been to over 15 countries all over the world, have competed in an Iron Man, eco-challenge, and am good at various sports and activities.
I guess what I'm wondering is do you think a girl with a BA in something and who will more than likely have a very successful career go for a current security guard/future cop with an AA? And do you think I would live up to her parents standards? They think very highly of their daughter, especially given the success she has already experienced.
 

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the title should read "she's 18
, I'm desperate, Need some serious advice"


dude....forget it
 

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I agree with Backbreaker and if you read my older thread you would know why. 18 year olds are trouble. She sounds mature for her age but still 18 year olds are all the same. Not only that but shes in college. It's her time to be free from bfs the last thing she probably wants is a bf.
 

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1. Do you ever see this girl alone, not at her house?

2. Does she have her own cell phone?

Yeah, you need to go direct to her. Absolutely no friends, no parents.

You need to ask this girl to hang with you ("I'll be in your town Tuesday, wanna go do . . . ") You can show physical attraction when your with her, but DO NOT start pushing for a relationship, esp. not with some 18 year old freshman in another town. Let her bring up the whole "going out" thing.
 

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Back off and wait a couple years?

Success with women isn't about waiting. Wait for two years? Twoooo Yearrrrs:eek:


If you think I should go after IT

Who's it? You mean HER. Referring to a woman you're interested in as an "it" is a little creepy.

I want to not come across as creepy AT ALL

Sorry, but I've never met a cop who wasn't creepy. Anyone who wants to make their livelyhood as a person who cant mind there own business is a creep in my experience.


Also, shouldn't you put yourself under investigation for wanting dong a barely legal, bright-futured, tender 18 year old. :rolleyes:


Seriously man, spray her in the eyes with mace, bonk her over the head with your cop beater stick, drag her back to your abandoned wearhouse, handcuff her to the nearest water pipe, and show her who the real class president is.:rockon:

p.s. take nothing I said seriously. I'm just humoring myself.
 

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Phyzzle said:
1. Do you ever see this girl alone, not at her house?

2. Does she have her own cell phone?

Yeah, you need to go direct to her. Absolutely no friends, no parents.

You need to ask this girl to hang with you ("I'll be in your town Tuesday, wanna go do . . . ") You can show physical attraction when your with her, but DO NOT start pushing for a relationship, esp. not with some 18 year old freshman in another town. Let her bring up the whole "going out" thing.
1. No

2. Yes

That's the thing though, I don't have her number or email or anything like that because I've never attempted to make that transition from longtime friend. So in order to get that I'd either need to bump into her at her parents place, or ask her parents or friend directly.

And HELL NO I wouldn't push for a relationship, I never push for a relationship. I know that whole song and dance, I'm just not sure how to get this particular ball rolling. Once we're off and running I'm golden.
 

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A great catch--and my emotions are in check when I say this--someone I could definitey see myself marrying further down the road.
Another thing, she has a boyfriend at the moment.
Can anyone say... Scarcity mentality?

What are you doing, dude?

WHY in the world are you considering fuucking MARRIAGE with a chick you haven't even gotten to know intimate.

Also, do you think I should get her email address from her friend and email her? Or should I go through the parents given our friendship situation and the age difference? I know her parents like me but I also haven't told them that I'm interested in their daughter. I think they'd still like me after I told them that, but that doesn't mean they'd approve of me pursuing her.
WHAT?
You've got a lot of work to do, mate. You do not ask permission to hit on a girl, dude. That's what girly-men do.

Here's my advice:
Find out how women work, what makes them attracted, turned on and satisfied. Then go find some chicks your own age and start living life.
 

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I agree. You are in no position to be making any moves on any girl. You need serious bootcamp. Ask your cop buddies to spray you with mace every time you say something dumb.
 

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Frankly, you do have a long way to go (you're about where I was when I was 25, LOL).

You've harbored an interest in this girl for a few years, without asking for her digits? And now she's moved out of town? Bit slow on the ball there.

Asking her parents, dam, I don't think so.
Asking her friend for e-mail, maybe, but it's much better to somehow run into her again.
Does she have a Myspace page? Look her up.

It sounds kind of doomed to me. It's not really appropriate to get her contact info off of someone else. And it's not really attractive either. She's gonna remember you as the guy who was too shy to look her in the eye and ask for her e-mail. Meanwhile, she's at a party talking to a popular frat-boy alpha-male who has the guts to f-close her that night. You don't look too impressive compared to the other guys she's meeting.

I feel that she's always looked up to me (and possibly had a crush on me)
Sounds like wishful thinking tripe. What makes you so sure?
 

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Phyzzle said:
Frankly, you do have a long way to go (you're about where I was when I was 25, LOL).

You've harbored an interest in this girl for a few years, without asking for her digits? And now she's moved out of town? Bit slow on the ball there.

Asking her parents, dam, I don't think so.
Asking her friend for e-mail, maybe, but it's much better to somehow run into her again.
Does she have a Myspace page? Look her up.

It sounds kind of doomed to me. It's not really appropriate to get her contact info off of someone else. And it's not really attractive either. She's gonna remember you as the guy who was too shy to look her in the eye and ask for her e-mail. Meanwhile, she's at a party talking to a popular frat-boy alpha-male who has the guts to f-close her that night. You don't look too impressive compared to the other guys she's meeting.



Sounds like wishful thinking tripe. What makes you so sure?
A long way to go? Maybe in some areas, for the day to day stuff though I'm money. I'm good at getting numbers, talking with chicks, teasing them, etc., just never been in a situation like this before. And maybe it is doomed and I am wasting my time, I more just want to know if it's an avenue even worth pursuing.

Ok, as for not getting the digits--she's only 18 now, I didn't have much of a choice on waiting. And I wouldn't say I've harbored an interest so much as seen potential for later down the road.

And yeah the more that I think about it, the asking the parents thing is not a good way to go. So I'm torn you know, do I drop by her mom's place to say hi and hope she drops some joke about me and her daughter getting together?

Forgot to mention her mom lives in a different city than me, which is still close to her school. So she's home a lot, and if she's there when I drop by then I have no prob getting the digits, but if she isn't...there's not much I can do.

No myspace either. So my options are pretty much she gets a random email from me saying wud up, or nothing. That's why I figure it may be worth a shot, because what if the random email thing doesn't work out? I'll get the same result that I would if I didn't try anything.
 

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dude, she is only 18 and trust me she has no idea what she wants in life. In fact, once she is about 21-22 - she will change as a person for the better or worse.. so it doesn't matter if you have her now, when she is 21-22 she will change and then you will have to be on your knees praying.. forget it...
 

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You gotta be crazy... this girl just got out of high school, and you want a relationship with her. :kick:

Statistically, I think this has about a .2% chance of surviving.
 

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I always think somethings up when older guys go for younger girls, especially at your age.

Let me clarify? Thsis girl has known no obvious interest in you...has a boyfriend....and isn't even in town? And from that...you've built up this image of her thinking about you in some sexual way.

This is where guys go wrong, you're too overconfident that she likes you without seeing and IOI, she probably thinks of you as "uncle Jaxon" and would consider any sort of relationship other than you turning up at Christmas and exclaiming "Wow, you've grown", incest to the core.
 

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Dude don't listen to the naysayers on this thread.

I only give advice when I feel I can speak from experience and when it is valid. Most of my threads are question posts but I really want to weigh in here because I know how you feel and I disagree with what most of the posters here are saying in that you should stay away.

First thing is first. Good girls are hard to find. Very hard to find! If you ever find one you should treat her like a precious gem.

This girl is young, but she is serious about school and sounds like she has a good head on her shoulders. She is also at a very impressionable age... so now you actually may have the opportunity to establish something with her and make it strong and solid.... because frankly if you don't someone else will and you may kick yourself later.

Yeah she is 18 and has a lot to learn... but so what... this is exactly where you can fill in the spaces. You have a chance here to really cultivate something with this girl and potentially have a successful LTR which was built up, not traded for like most relationships.... does that make any sense?

I was in the same situation as you my friend a few years ago. and you know what I went for it! I had a nice year + relationship with a girl who was crazy about me and even talked about getting married when she finished school. I actually ended up breaking up with her because I felt I wanted other things.... but thats another story. The point is I went for something and it worked out well. A lot better than stupid girls my age who play nothing but games and have no idea whats important in life.

So my advice.... send her an email but make it very friendly... Say something to get her attention like "Hey blah blah happend to me today and it reminded me of you. I know we haven't talked in a while but just wanted to see how you are etc...."


Bottom line

Age is just a number and good girls are hard to find


Go for it!
 

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ducaro said:
dude, she is only 18 and trust me she has no idea what she wants in life. In fact, once she is about 21-22 - she will change as a person for the better or worse.. so it doesn't matter if you have her now, when she is 21-22 she will change and then you will have to be on your knees praying.. forget it...
Man, ducaro, you are right! And once she is 25-27, she will change again, after that she will pretty much be a completely different person.

When I was 28, I met an 18 year old, just out of high school, she was all over the place, screaming immaturity. I was starting to go crazy, so I ejected and pretty much stayed away for 2 years. During that time she would contact me every few months, yet I didn't push for it.

When we finally got together, for a movie at my place, things just happened, and we dated on and off, non-exclusively, for two more years. All along, I knew she would keep changing, etc. and was willing to let her go. She finally found somebody for a LTR and stopped contact with me.

This one situation you're in, although the age difference is not as much, is starting to creep me out.

Jayer, I totally disagree with you, this is a different situation. She will play a lot of games and be immature and be a total different person. She will not be with her current boyfriend in 2 years, etc.
 

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the mistake people make when they say age has nothing to do with this, is that they are not seeing that


SHE HASN'T HAD FREAKING TIME TO PROVE SHE IS A GOOD GIRL


who ISN'T a good girl living with mommy and addy, with a curfew and rules.


the real woman comes out when she gets in the real world. does she have ambition. is she a gangbang princess? how the **** would you know now? she's been living under the confinements of home!

no one knows who they really are until you are out in the real world.

that's what relatoinships are pointless until someone has been on their own for at least a year. now that's not even an option otherwise. she's a child. that's like rape in my eyes
 

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When I was 26 I went out with a 18 year old... and I'm still going out with her a year later. Don't listen to the people that say it's creepy, they don't know wtf they're talking about.

Hot, young chicks are the only way to go.

Look at it in a few years, you'll be 27, she'll be 21... and then apparently it's LESS CREEPY then?? That makes no f*ckin sense at all.

Get a hot young girl with an education to fall in love with you and you're set for life.
 

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Gangster Of Love said:
Man, ducaro, you are right! And once she is 25-27, she will change again, after that she will pretty much be a completely different person.

When I was 28, I met an 18 year old, just out of high school, she was all over the place, screaming immaturity. I was starting to go crazy, so I ejected and pretty much stayed away for 2 years. During that time she would contact me every few months, yet I didn't push for it.

When we finally got together, for a movie at my place, things just happened, and we dated on and off, non-exclusively, for two more years. All along, I knew she would keep changing, etc. and was willing to let her go. She finally found somebody for a LTR and stopped contact with me.

This one situation you're in, although the age difference is not as much, is starting to creep me out.

Jayer, I totally disagree with you, this is a different situation. She will play a lot of games and be immature and be a total different person. She will not be with her current boyfriend in 2 years, etc.
Gangster you have your right to your opinion and I respect it (ie: boxng threads lol)

But I still hold stern to what I posted. Not all girls are the same. Your experience and my experience were completely different... and they involved a girl the same age.

I am not saying everything is going to be rosy and there won't be growing pains... but I believe judging someone for their character and not their age.
 

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^^[/QUOTE]I am not saying everything is going to be rosy and there won't be growing pains... but I believe judging someone for their character and not their age.[/QUOTE]^^


Thats really a good way to judge a person, I completely agree. BUt, at the same time we all know we change every couple of years.. its all about ego and human development. Yes, you change all the time, but after a certain age, the changes in you are subtle and you mentally solidify in a sense.. and that does not interfere with your relationships. So, its vital to judge a person by character and not age, but that should only be done when the person has developed his/her ego completely with time and at the age of 18, no one knows anything about ego/human development with due respect.
 
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