I'll have another won't run in Belmont!

[Robert28]

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/triplecrown2012/story/_/id/8025449/another-race-belmont-trainer-says

told you he wouldn't win the triple crown

Go Union Rags!

 

[st_99]

that sucks, would have been fun to watch even though im not a big horse racing nut.

 

[backbreaker]

told you i did not like his trainer. that excuse is bull**** as well a horse can't kick or doesn't kick with his front legs.

 

[Robert28]

sounds like the trainer isn't telling the whole story too. They took him out "secretly" this morning around 5:30am for a LIGHT workout so it makes me think the leg was injured yesterday. coupled with the fact that he said the horse won't race again? because of a slight tendon injury?????? that's 3-6 months tops to comeback from.

 

[Upside]

told you i did not like his trainer. that excuse is bull**** as well a horse can't kick or doesn't kick with his front legs.

How is it BS? Not saying you're wrong, just curious.

I'm not a big horse racing guy but I definitely would have watched. Now, probably not.

 

[Robert28]

How is it BS? Not saying you're wrong, just curious.

I'm not a big horse racing guy but I definitely would have watched. Now, probably not.

IHA was retired because his owners got a stud deal. He was retired within HOURS of being scratched! And is suddenly ok enough to be on the track and potentially get worked up thinking he's gonna run. The problem is money plain and simple, most of our decent three year olds are gone by the BC because they're retired to stud where they'll make thousands if not millions.

 

[backbreaker]

IHA was retired because his owners got a stud deal. He was retired within HOURS of being scratched! And is suddenly ok enough to be on the track and potentially get worked up thinking he's gonna run. The problem is money plain and simple, most of our decent three year olds are gone by the BC because they're retired to stud where they'll make thousands if not millions.

exactly. if he really was hurt they would not be putting him in the post parade.

what I Think happened.. i just don't think he's working very well and Doug knew he wasn't going ot win and did what is in the best interest of the owner, strike while the iron is hot get the best deal possible.

either the horse is really hurt and doug o'neil is insensitive to the horses walfare or he wasn't hurt and they just don't want to lose the race.


oh they will defionatly make millions. his stud fee will be right at about hwere big brown's was, 60-70k.. 4 time grade 1 winner, won two races of hte triple crown, he's bred to run all day long and will throw classic horses.. they will make bank.. 60k per foal and 150 foals a year. you do the math.

Bodemeister is the most anticipated stallion i have seen in quite a while, since Bardarnini. runnig style, natrual ability, pedigree. he already has a feature date with zenyatta set in stone. will be some stupid price like 80 or 100kp per foal and will be booked full

 

[Robert28]

Backbreaker,

Isn't yor wife an Optimizer fan?

 

[backbreaker]

Backbreaker,

Isn't yor wife an Optimizer fan?

creative cause.

i would divorce her if she ever was a fan out of anything in the d wayne lukas barn

lol and the irony of it is, this was his race to win (creative cause). no BM or IHA. he would have had a great chance to win this race.

 

[Upside]

None of the major news outlets are reporting what you guys said, but definitely sounds plausible. Really poos on the integrity of horse racing IMO. What a shame, and imagine the public outlash if word gets out to the masses about this funny business.

 

[Robert28]

creative cause.

i would divorce her if she ever was a fan out of anything in the d wayne lukas barn

lol and the irony of it is, this was his race to win (creative cause). no BM or IHA. he would have had a great chance to win this race.

lol my bad. Yeah I'm surprised CC isn't going to run either. I just hope UR whips the ever loving $h!t out of Dullahan after what happened in the derby!!! if UR doesn't win, I'll be just as happy if Dullahan comes in dead last.

 

[backbreaker]

paynter is going to be really tough here.

 

[Robert28]

paynter is going to be really tough here.

yeah I think so too.

 

[backbreaker]

Dullahan is now the fav but ironically enough the scratch of IHA have all but killed his shot to win the race. he is a deep closer and he has to have something to run at pace wise. there was already no speed in the race as it was. IHA has tactial speed but prefers to sit off the pace, but in this race there was no doubt in my mind he would have taken the lead and made the other horses come get him.

now there is NO pace.

 

[Robert28]

Dullahan is now the fav but ironically enough the scratch of IHA have all but killed his shot to win the race. he is a deep closer and he has to have something to run at pace wise. there was already no speed in the race as it was. IHA has tactial speed but prefers to sit off the pace, but in this race there was no doubt in my mind he would have taken the lead and made the other horses come get him.

now there is NO pace.

yeah all the talking heads seem to love Dullahan to win and Street Smart as a long shot. I don't get what the lovefest is with Dullahan. is it because he closed hard to finish 3rd in the derby? They haven't given any other reasons other then that but all of a sudden they're making him out to be the next horse of the year. I'm just not buying his hype, just like I don't think IHA would win today. Too bad we'll never know. I've seen that track break WAY better horses then IHA.

 

[backbreaker]

actually what i have been told about IHA at stallion/studl gand this person would know, is that the itnerest here in america really isn't what you think it would. they aren't beating down the door to get to him and most likely will go to japan before it's all said and done.

it's his bloodlines.. they aren't particuarlly fashionable here in america, but they are very fashionable in japan. sunday silence won the derby and preakness and because he was by a sire called halo who was not very well thought of kentucky farms wanted nothing to do with him. he went to japan and became the best stallion in japanese history and sired a japanese triple crown winner (deep impact) and one of the best stallions in the world.

lol the horse that just won the woody stephens,a sprint was 50 to 1 in the derby and he toyed them today. ha no business in the derbyd

 

[backbreaker]

god dammit. so fvcking close. i lost the belmont and preakness by a combined half length

 

[Robert28]

god dammit. so fvcking close. i lost the belmont and preakness by a combined half length

yeah gotta feel bad for Mike Smith, Paynter and Baffert. Doesn't mean I'm not going fvcking nuts that UR won though!:rockon: Fvck you, Dullahan you overrated future bag of dog food! how's it feel to be caught up in traffic with nowhere to go, huh b!tch??? Karma's a mother ain't it??? All day long I had to listen to those fools on TVG talk about how UR had no chance, how Dullahan was head and shoulders above everyone else, and they wouldn't even acknowledge Paynter. out of 6 guys, ONE picked UR and the rest were all svcking Dullahan's @$$ even though he hasn't done crap except close to 3rd in the derby. Thank God Paynter kept the pace slow the whole trip or else UR doesn't win this I don't think. when your trainer says you're the BEST horse he's had since Barbaro that says alot. I LOVE Barbaro and the fact that UR has ties to him made me become a huge fan. suck it New York and TVG!!!!

 

[backbreaker]

i mean let's keep the race in perspective. in reality he did nothing die fferent at all than the derby. he was 7th in the derby. the horses who finished ahead of him were i'll have another, bodemeister, went the day well, creative cause, and liason, none of which were in the belmont. the one horse that was, dullahan, was a stone cold closer who i said above had no real shot to win the race it's pace 101 he had nothing to run at. horses had too much left for him to pass them. so he erally did not do anything different, he just ran his race. and it was good enough to win today.g r
and they were crawling. 2:30 and change for a fast belmont is pathically slow. big red won the race in 2:22 and change. par for course is about.. 2:27 and 2 or 3. i knew the pace would be slow but they slowed down even more after setting a slow pace. these aren't very good horses. ataig finshed a stong third and he got trounced by about 20 lenghts by bodemesiter in the arkansas derby who wasn't even running

i can't stand TVG. I am a HRTV guy.bout

 

[Robert28]

i mean let's keep the race in perspective. in reality he did nothing die fferent at all than the derby. he was 7th in the derby. the horses who finished ahead of him were i'll have another, bodemeister, went the day well, creative cause, and liason, none of which were in the belmont. the one horse that was, dullahan, was a stone cold closer who i said above had no real shot to win the race it's pace 101 he had nothing to run at. horses had too much left for him to pass them. so he erally did not do anything different, he just ran his race. and it was good enough to win today.

i can't stand TVG. I am a HRTV guy.

what pissed me off about the derby is Dullahan breaking like a maniac and bumping UR from the start. UR doesn't have that killer instinct, that f*** you competitiveness that Barbaro had, and I think he would have shown MUCH better in the derby had be broke like he did today. I just think the talking head "experts" were way too down on him. Paynter couldn't get any love either. Closers typically don't do well at the Belmont so that's why I thought IHA wouldn't win if he'd run, and why I wasn't buying the Dullahan talk. one think about UR, he's usually an outside horse, likes to stay right off the pace but today he rode the rail in some traffic and usually he would shy away from that, but he had balls today. Maybe this wakes him up some and gives him a good shot of confidence from here on out.