Transform Your Dating Life in Minutes

If you're looking for a proven system to attract women and achieve dating success, you're in the right place.

Our step-by-step guide is the perfect starting point for any man looking to improve his dating life.

With our expert advice and strategies, you'll be able to overcome common obstacles, build confidence, and start attracting the women you desire.

Thanks for joining us, and I wish you all the best on your path to success!

If you're looking for a LTR, focus on your confidence/hobbies more than your looks

oc16

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 1, 2016
Messages
1,543
Reaction score
1,069
When it comes to a LTR, women don't care too much about what you look like as much as you think they do. What they do care about is that you are confident in who you are, your social status (respect amongst peers) and that you are passionate about your hobbies.

What prompted this post? As most of you probably have as well; I have seen way too many men dating/married to women who are noticeably better looking than them.

Just today, I googled a much younger woman's name whom I used to date about 4 years ago. I ended up finding her wedding registry and the guy she got married to is about 60 pounds overweight and average at best looking. She is a solid 7 (girl next door good looks) with big blue eyes.

You won't get anywhere with women if you are socially awkward, can't look them in the eye and don't have any hobbies. It doesn't matter if you are 6'3", look like Ben Affleck and have an MBA from Harvard.


You will still lose out to the 5'7", balding man with the gut who communicates confidently with women or has a unique hobby that piques her interest (plays the guitar, rides horses, etc.)

Watch your posture and the speed of your voice as well. I am tall (6'0") and have to remind myself not to slump my shoulders. Pay attention to your voice too, don't talk too fast and try and annunciate your words. Speaking too fast displays nervousness which will turn women off.

Conversely, it's the opposite for women! Men care about looks first and foremost and don't care as much about a woman's job, social status or whether she is shy or not. I used to work with a woman who was very socially awkward but always had a boyfriend since she was good-looking.

A good-looking uneducated waitress who is shy is still much more appealing to most men than a very average looking confident women with a Ph.D. in Chemistry!

I am not saying we should let ourselves go, but your good looks mean nothing if you are socially awkward.

Focus on your social skills, eye contact and hobbies!

If you are shy, a good thing is to practice where you don't care about the outcomes. Make small talk and joke with the 80 year old female cashier or the unattractive barista at Starbucks.

Let's go!
 
Last edited:

pipeman84

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 21, 2022
Messages
1,496
Reaction score
1,952
Age
40
Location
Europe
I disagree with the premise of OP...if you're interested in roommates type of LTR/marriage, then yes looks don't matter that much and you get this situation: vvv
Just today, I googled a much younger woman's name whom I used to date about 4 years ago. I ended up finding her wedding registry and the guy she got married to is about 60 pounds overweight and average at best looking. She is a solid 7 (girl next door good looks) with big blue eyes.
Of course we can only speculate, but perhaps that girl has some big issues that turn the solid 7 into a solid 2 once you get to know her. Or maybe she just wants to 'settle down' and start a family and that overweight guy is good enough from a financial standpoint.
That's not something to aspire to. I'm interested in real chemistry, good sex, the girl being so happy to be with you that she jumps into your arms...and I don't think this applies to this vvv
As most of you probably have as well; I have seen way too many men dating/married to women who are noticeably better looking than them.
This screams of hidden issues for the woman, gold digging or settling.
 

logicallefty

Moderator
Joined
Apr 26, 2006
Messages
6,049
Reaction score
5,228
Age
51
Location
Northeast Florida, USA
Looks get you in the door. Frame, confidence, and everything else determines how long that lasts.
 

Hal9000

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 2, 2019
Messages
769
Reaction score
1,136
I agree that social skills are a must but I disagree that if you're a fat slob who spends his spare time "gaming" or doing whatever most guys think passes as a hobby these days you're going to somehow be more desireable to women than a guy who is in great shape, dresses well, etc. Now if your hobby is something truly unusual then it can definitely be an asset but sports, or cars or whatever isn't going to be drawing them in no matter how you look.
 

espanish

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Aug 12, 2019
Messages
413
Reaction score
308
Age
42
you are way too obsessed with hobbies. to me hobbies are feminine and make you sound gay.
hobbies means "when I have nothing better to do, I do this" but you should have something better to do than hobbies.
 

Gamisch

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 2, 2022
Messages
4,119
Reaction score
4,825
you are way too obsessed with hobbies. to me hobbies are feminine and make you sound gay.
hobbies means "when I have nothing better to do, I do this" but you should have something better to do than hobbies.
Whut? Hobbies are what make you unique. Some1 can have a serious hobby such as building shyt, mechanical or engineering stuff ,making music.

Most dudes I know without hobbies go to work , come home smoke grass and then rinse and repeat. Then when a woman comes along that woman suddenly becomes their biggest hobby.

Not sure what you mean here .
 

SW15

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 31, 2020
Messages
14,050
Reaction score
11,694
Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and persona.

Confidence is a part of persona, contributing to charisma. Looks, money, and status can help with confidence.

Trying to get dates through hobbies is usually is a high effort, low reward proposition. Few hobbies will actually result in that.

 

espanish

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Aug 12, 2019
Messages
413
Reaction score
308
Age
42
Whut? Hobbies are what make you unique. Some1 can have a serious hobby such as building shyt, mechanical or engineering stuff ,making music.

Most dudes I know without hobbies go to work , come home smoke grass and then rinse and repeat. Then when a woman comes along that woman suddenly becomes their biggest hobby.

Not sure what you mean here .
I don't know, I just feel like hobbies are feminine, make the guy sound gay. but some girls like feminine gayish guys. maybe I just hate the word hobby, maybe if you come up with another word my opinion will change.
 

Kotaix

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 29, 2019
Messages
2,284
Reaction score
2,886
Age
47
I don't know, I just feel like hobbies are feminine, make the guy sound gay. but some girls like feminine gayish guys. maybe I just hate the word hobby, maybe if you come up with another word my opinion will change.
It depends on the hobby. Archery and target shooting aren't gay. Flower arranging is super gay. Sewing is as feminine as what you make with it. And then you have dweeb hobbies like stamp collecting.

Hobbies (that you're actually good at) show that you have a passion about something and that you'll put in the effort to excel of your own accord. The activity itself is irrelevant, it just proves that you have drive and/or passion.
 

espanish

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Aug 12, 2019
Messages
413
Reaction score
308
Age
42
It depends on the hobby. Archery and target shooting aren't gay. Flower arranging is super gay. Sewing is as feminine as what you make with it. And then you have dweeb hobbies like stamp collecting.

Hobbies (that you're actually good at) show that you have a passion about something and that you'll put in the effort to excel of your own accord. The activity itself is irrelevant, it just proves that you have drive and/or passion.
the point I am trying to make is a hobby is something you do for pleasure, and that's gay. like "I have nothing better to do so I am doing this"
target shooting and flower arranging are both gay if a guy is doing them because he has nothing better to do, without a goal in mind. if a guy is doing flower arranging because he has a goal in mind ("I want to start my own flower shop one day") then it is not gay. if he is doing it "just because" it's gay. I read books not for hobby, not for entertainment, but for self improvement. see the contrast? I can understand if I am not making sense, but I dont know how else to explain it. and many girls prefer feminine gayish guys (think guys on lifetime channel movies during holiday season - this girl walks into a coffee shop and she meets this feminine guy and they fall in love).
 

Kotaix

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 29, 2019
Messages
2,284
Reaction score
2,886
Age
47
the point I am trying to make is a hobby is something you do for pleasure, and that's gay. like "I have nothing better to do so I am doing this"
Maybe you need another word. By this definition, watching any movie is gay, even if it's Apocalypse Now since such things don't lead to self-improvement.

I understand the desire for self-improvement, but if you take that too far then you become unrelatable to women because they aren't interested in such things. You can't have a philosophical conversation with a woman or talk to them about your goals. They don't care, they just care what value you can provide them.
 

espanish

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Aug 12, 2019
Messages
413
Reaction score
308
Age
42
Maybe you need another word. By this definition, watching any movie is gay, even if it's Apocalypse Now since such things don't lead to self-improvement.

I understand the desire for self-improvement, but if you take that too far then you become unrelatable to women because they aren't interested in such things. You can't have a philosophical conversation with a woman or talk to them about your goals. They don't care, they just care what value you can provide them.
you are right, my definition is not good.

are you from america? need to make sure you have this channel. have you ever seen those lifetime movies that usually play during christmas season, the girl meets some feminine guy at a coffee shop. and then they run into each other again at a book store? and the guy is so feminine and gay? and the whole movie is so stupid and unrealistic? that's how I feel about a guy when I think about hobby, whether it's guitar or flowers or carpentry.

you are not supposed to be relatable to women. that's just western propaganda brainwashing garbage. you are just supposed to dominate them. see 50 shades.
 

Kotaix

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 29, 2019
Messages
2,284
Reaction score
2,886
Age
47
you are right, my definition is not good.

are you from america? need to make sure you have this channel. have you ever seen those lifetime movies that usually play during christmas season, the girl meets some feminine guy at a coffee shop. and then they run into each other again at a book store? and the guy is so feminine and gay? and the whole movie is so stupid and unrealistic? that's how I feel about a guy when I think about hobby, whether it's guitar or flowers or carpentry.
Sounds like every single romcom movie ever made. Those are made for women because that is a female fantasy. But I just don't see the equivalence. Even if you're doing carpentry "for the fun of it", it's a self-improvement life skill that can pay off a thousandfold in savings when you can fix something that is broken or make something that you'd otherwise have to pay 10 times more for if you had to outsource it.

I'd rather have the knowledge to be self-reliant, and it's difficult or impossible to attain that with the specialization that modern jobs and businesses require. Either you get a second job or you take up a hobby to learn it.

you are not supposed to be relatable to women. that's just western propaganda brainwashing garbage. you are just supposed to dominate them. see 50 shades.
To each their own. 50 shades of grey is as much a female fantasy as the romcom. Some guys like to be dominant like you, others like to be led around on a leash like a dog.

Bottom line: trying to be something that you're not is a recipe for failure.
 

The Diver

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 25, 2017
Messages
562
Reaction score
592
Hobby is something you do for pleasure, and that's gay. Like "I have nothing better to do, so I am doing this"
Engaging in hobbies, especially hobbies involving mental and physical difficulty, will enrich you physically, emotionally and mentally.

And yes, life IS about pleasure. Whether at work (to some degree), pursuing your goals or in your free time.
 

espanish

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Aug 12, 2019
Messages
413
Reaction score
308
Age
42
Not sustainable for an LTR. This stuff is not a constant plow job.
Dominate yes but there is a comfort side to a woman if she is not bat shyt crazy.
Guitars?
Do you know who the fck Lemmy is from motorhead?
lemmy started smoking at the age of 11. maybe I should start smoking to get more girls?
 

Hamurabimbi

Master Don Juan
Joined
Dec 4, 2018
Messages
3,835
Reaction score
3,264
Location
California
not sure I fully agree. every LTR girl I’ve been with has told me she finds me physically attractive. my hobbies are nerdy & women don’t care for them. I am pretty confident, so there’s that.
 

2Rocky

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 13, 2016
Messages
2,514
Reaction score
2,804
Age
50
I think you have to look at the bigger picture. Nobody is going to like you unless you like yourself. Part of that is using your leisure time wisely.


 

Mike32ct

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 22, 2007
Messages
8,119
Reaction score
4,733
Location
Eastern Time Zone where it's always really late
not sure I fully agree. every LTR girl I’ve been with has told me she finds me physically attractive. my hobbies are nerdy & women don’t care for them. I am pretty confident, so there’s that.
Yeah. Women are not hung up on “hobby compatibility.” It’s mostly about attraction.

My female friend and I have a lot in common. Her LTR bf shares zero of her interests.
 
Top