If she aint perfect, she aint worth it

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As the title suggests, I'm here to open up a discussion on whether women are even worth the time we seem to give to them.

People come on these forums asking things like

'How do I game this shy girl?'
or 'This girl is giving me resistance, what do i do?'

I used to be like that, so I can understand people who care enough to actually think about these situations. But I have come to some realizations now. I mean sure, if this girl was the perfect girl for you then maybe its worth these sacrifices of time and energy, but in reality shes probably fairly average. The guys I know who don't give a sh*t about these sorts of women always have them flocking to their doors.

I personally love rejection, and don't have the time to spend waiting to see if the girl will change her mind if I do X, Y or Z. Move on with your life and stop wasting precious time on gaming semi-responsive women. Go to the gym, read a book, do anything else that's productive and will improve you or help you reach a goal!

Rejection is like this:
If she rejects you or doesnt show high interest, shes just done you a great favor as you wouldn't be good together anyway.

Be yourself, be a great guy and stop worrying about the little things, its taking up too much of your time and precious brain power. Things will fall into place if they are supposed to. Discuss.
 

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If only going to the gym and reading books were adequate substitutions to lack of intimacy and close human contact. Life would be so much easier. But, as our AFC experience and that of every battered woman out there, it isn't.

Spin plates, both the easy ones and the hard ones.
 

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Keep the plates spinning. This way it is all the more easier to shrug off a non responder.

I agree with you, you got to just make your move and if it doesn't go well cut the loss. Ain't worth the time or energy.
 

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You have the proper mindset. It's really not worth the trouble people put themselves through. It's only made out to be such a big deal because they make it that way - by worrying and analyzing too much. The more you dwell on something - the more it tends to bother you. You gotta just not care so much. These things really aren't that important, or worth losing your mind over. Once you realise that its not a big deal, and causes more harm than good - you're much better off. Can't let everything get to you.

Rejection means nothing, because nobody is special. Their approval doesn't determine your worth. You don't need anybody. Just because they're retarded, all about the status, and care about these things - doesnt mean you have to. Too many guys are acting like women, and trying to understand them - by being just like them. Thinking like them. Losing themselves to them. Putting themselves in their shoes. Letting them run the show. Playing their stupid games. Analyzing their behaviors. Making it all about them. So, they end up whining about dumb **** just like them. Complaining and whining over how women are, throwing a pity-party, looking for sympathy... Stop acting like little girls. Who cares if this girl is a dumb *****? She's not worth stressing over, and keeping in your mind. Stop dissecting her every move and trait. Get rid of her.

Not accepting the red pill would be my guess as to why it happens... Still living in a fantasy world; idolizing women; making them out to be bigger than they are; believing everything they say; assuming they're as good as they claim. They probably think that there must be some kind of grand prize waiting behind this girl who acts disinterested, teases them, plays games, acts closed off, complains about men, is dating others, etc. She MUST be something special to act like such a stuck up, snobby *****, or have little to no interest in them. They find out eventually that there's no pot of gold to be found. The chase was more exciting than the catch. Just because they have options, are challenging, and date around - doesn't mean they're a good catch, or worth anything. Most people who tease, act immature, and play games AREN'T worth anything.

They don't ask themselves the right questions. It's not why does everyone like her - its why does no one want to keep her? Why does she tease men and play games? Probably because she's insecure, annoying, and unlikeable. It's the only way she can keep them interested. They only want her for sex. She's crazy. Those are the things they should be looking at.

They need to realise that nobody is special. There's no reason to chase, cave in, give away all the control, jump through hoops, prove your worth, worry about if they like you or not, over-analyze everything, etc. Most people simply aren't worth a damn, and certainly not worth all the BS you put yourself through... All the mental torture, being pushed around, getting used and played... For what? One person who's probably a loser anyway? Are they really that important? Why are you seeking their approval? Why do you care so much? Why do you analyze them?

Some people never snap out of it, realize these things, ask these kind of questions, or change their ways - only to complain about it over and over. They're only disappointed because they have expectations, live in fantasyland,and place women and relationships on a pedestal... I'd wager that a lot of people are so bored and lonely that they purposely over-analyze everything, and make it out to be bigger than it is. Like, dating is some huge puzzle to figure out. It fills their minds with something to think about.

While they're trying to find out what works, and trying to play the game right, or give her everything she wants, and be the perfect everything - another person comes in and nabs her away. That's because he took action; wasn't afraid to be himself; and didn't place her or dating on a pedestal. "But he's such a loser, and I'm so awesome and perfect", they say. "What does she see in him? I'm King Pimp; the encyclopedia of game". That's because he actually DID something.

This is where jerks are most successful. They just don't care. They go for it, and don't care if they get rejected. They don't try to impress the women, or follow a rulebook. They don't wait forever to make a move, or do anything else. They don't ask or tell. They just do. They also don't try to heal her, play her games, allow themselves to be controlled, or act like insecure girls.

The nice guys (or whoever) plan, analyze, worry, obsess, and think too much. Even when the girl shows interest - they delay and delay. Like they're playing a damn football game - complete with a playbook, time-outs, instant replays, challenges... They try figuring everything out - instead of just going with the flow, and taking action. They ask for permission, find out where she stands, what she wants... It's too predictable and boring. He takes too long, talks too much, thinks too hard, acts too serious, tries to determine where she stands - without ever DOING anything. She gets bored and bangs another guy who's 500x more exciting - then he complains and analyzes EVEN MORE. It's the fear, hesitation, over-analysis, and inaction that caused this to happen in the first place. They try too hard to make her think - instead of feel. They also try too hard to do everything right - instead of just doing.

Mostly, though, they're desperate and insecure. They're afraid of losing her. They need her. That is the core of the problem, and it shows in all these posts. They're not doing these things for themselves - they're doing everything to attract women. The neediness is still running the show, which is why they failed in the first place. They worry and care too much. They try doing everything right. They don't want to fail and be alone.

The only difference is, instead of asking the girl these things - they ask other guys. They're still trying to figure everything out, and do everything right - for HER. They just don't want to ask her, because she might get turned off and lose interest. And worrying about that is the root of the problem. This is what needs to be addressed before anything else. Stop doing everything for women, and caring about them so much.

A lot of what people do to prevent things from happening is the same thing that causes them to happen in the first place. Funny how that works. The nature of fear...
 

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I think the number one reason to date/be in a relationship with a women because of the self growth. A real woman will test you everyday, probably more than your job. You need to persist and **** them both.
 

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floydb25 said:
You have the proper mindset. It's really not worth the trouble people put themselves through. It's only made out to be such a big deal because they make it that way - by worrying and analyzing too much. The more you dwell on something - the more it tends to bother you. You gotta just not care so much. These things really aren't that important, or worth losing your mind over. Once you realise that its not a big deal, and causes more harm than good - you're much better off. Can't let everything get to you.

Rejection means nothing, because nobody is special. Their approval doesn't determine your worth. You don't need anybody. Just because they're retarded, all about the status, and care about these things - doesnt mean you have to. Too many guys are acting like women, and trying to understand them - by being just like them. Thinking like them. Losing themselves to them. Putting themselves in their shoes. Letting them run the show. Playing their stupid games. Analyzing their behaviors. Making it all about them. So, they end up whining about dumb **** just like them. Complaining and whining over how women are, throwing a pity-party, looking for sympathy... Stop acting like little girls. Who cares if this girl is a dumb *****? She's not worth stressing over, and keeping in your mind. Stop dissecting her every move and trait. Get rid of her.

Not accepting the red pill would be my guess as to why it happens... Still living in a fantasy world; idolizing women; making them out to be bigger than they are; believing everything they say; assuming they're as good as they claim. They probably think that there must be some kind of grand prize waiting behind this girl who acts disinterested, teases them, plays games, acts closed off, complains about men, is dating others, etc. She MUST be something special to act like such a stuck up, snobby *****, or have little to no interest in them. They find out eventually that there's no pot of gold to be found. The chase was more exciting than the catch. Just because they have options, are challenging, and date around - doesn't mean they're a good catch, or worth anything. Most people who tease, act immature, and play games AREN'T worth anything.

They don't ask themselves the right questions. It's not why does everyone like her - its why does no one want to keep her? Why does she tease men and play games? Probably because she's insecure, annoying, and unlikeable. It's the only way she can keep them interested. They only want her for sex. She's crazy. Those are the things they should be looking at.

They need to realise that nobody is special. There's no reason to chase, cave in, give away all the control, jump through hoops, prove your worth, worry about if they like you or not, over-analyze everything, etc. Most people simply aren't worth a damn, and certainly not worth all the BS you put yourself through... All the mental torture, being pushed around, getting used and played... For what? One person who's probably a loser anyway? Are they really that important? Why are you seeking their approval? Why do you care so much? Why do you analyze them?

Some people never snap out of it, realize these things, ask these kind of questions, or change their ways - only to complain about it over and over. They're only disappointed because they have expectations, live in fantasyland,and place women and relationships on a pedestal... I'd wager that a lot of people are so bored and lonely that they purposely over-analyze everything, and make it out to be bigger than it is. Like, dating is some huge puzzle to figure out. It fills their minds with something to think about.

While they're trying to find out what works, and trying to play the game right, or give her everything she wants, and be the perfect everything - another person comes in and nabs her away. That's because he took action; wasn't afraid to be himself; and didn't place her or dating on a pedestal. "But he's such a loser, and I'm so awesome and perfect", they say. "What does she see in him? I'm King Pimp; the encyclopedia of game". That's because he actually DID something.

This is where jerks are most successful. They just don't care. They go for it, and don't care if they get rejected. They don't try to impress the women, or follow a rulebook. They don't wait forever to make a move, or do anything else. They don't ask or tell. They just do. They also don't try to heal her, play her games, allow themselves to be controlled, or act like insecure girls.

The nice guys (or whoever) plan, analyze, worry, obsess, and think too much. Even when the girl shows interest - they delay and delay. Like they're playing a damn football game - complete with a playbook, time-outs, instant replays, challenges... They try figuring everything out - instead of just going with the flow, and taking action. They ask for permission, find out where she stands, what she wants... It's too predictable and boring. He takes too long, talks too much, thinks too hard, acts too serious, tries to determine where she stands - without ever DOING anything. She gets bored and bangs another guy who's 500x more exciting - then he complains and analyzes EVEN MORE. It's the fear, hesitation, over-analysis, and inaction that caused this to happen in the first place. They try too hard to make her think - instead of feel. They also try too hard to do everything right - instead of just doing.

Mostly, though, they're desperate and insecure. They're afraid of losing her. They need her. That is the core of the problem, and it shows in all these posts. They're not doing these things for themselves - they're doing everything to attract women. The neediness is still running the show, which is why they failed in the first place. They worry and care too much. They try doing everything right. They don't want to fail and be alone.

The only difference is, instead of asking the girl these things - they ask other guys. They're still trying to figure everything out, and do everything right - for HER. They just don't want to ask her, because she might get turned off and lose interest. And worrying about that is the root of the problem. This is what needs to be addressed before anything else. Stop doing everything for women, and caring about them so much.

A lot of what people do to prevent things from happening is the same thing that causes them to happen in the first place. Funny how that works. The nature of fear...
great post.

I think the number one reason to date/be in a relationship with a women because of the self growth.
it's actually the exact opposite. You can't grow as a person until you work on yourself and know who you are and you cant' do that until you are alone. You can't focus on you if you are spending your entire life worrying about someone else or trying to make someone else happy or spending all your time with someone else or listening to someone else.
 

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I get what the OP is saying about trying to dissect every little thing and letting it bother you. For me, dissecting girls and understanding and trying to figure out how to get into their pants is not like a burden, but more of a game, as it should be. In a game, I try to get better and challenge myself. Even if you do keep spinning plates and rejection doesn't bother you anymore, you eventually want to get to the point where you want to 'win' every girl, or at least I do. I know a lot of 'gurus' and books teach about it how it's a numbers game, and I do agree, but I think one can become so good to the point where the numbers are in your favor.
 

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That's understandable. You have to care a little bit, and figure out what works. Nothing wrong with that. But a lot of guys make it their whole life. Every single girl who so much as talks to them turns everything around. They start dating a girl who's pissing them off, and worrying about whether she likes them, and what they can do for her. This is a very common theme. It should be the other way around.

That's the problem. She treats him like crap, has low interest, etc, and he's trying to find out how to win her over. What he can do to attract her. What kind of game he should have. Seeking her approval. Being her doormat. Trying to be her friend. Tolerating her BS. What kind of sense does that make?

They're desperate and needy. The women are walking all over them because they allow it. They have no respect for themselves, and neither does SHE. They're making her the prize, and chasing after her. This happens within a matter of days. And they keep digging their hole deeper and deeper. They're trying to make things better - when they're just making it worse. And, its all because of these core insecurities. None of this would be happening if they didn't care so much about being wanted by someone who's not even that important. Just because she thinks she is, and acts like she is - doesn't mean she actually is. She doesn't even like the person. That is the problem. You can't do anything about that.

A lot of these girls whom people post about are crazy, immature, and stuck up. Why would you fight for someone who's not worth a damn, and acts like a complete retard / is just using you / is going to leave you after she gets her kicks? People are stressing way too much over people who aren't worth the time or effort. These girls aren't even interested in them, and they're killing themselves trying to change her mind. Riding a bike uphill gets tiring eventually. Stop wasting so much time complaining about someone who doesn't like you, and has no respect for anyone. They are NOT going to change simply because they're attracted to someone.

Again, acting like women... Complaining over your own choices - without doing anything to improve your situation. "Oh, she's such a *****... I think I'll pine after her for 4 years, accept her scraps, be treated like disposable garbage, complain about it the entire time, then call her a ***** afterwards."
 
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floydb25 said:
You have the proper mindset. It's really not worth the trouble people put themselves through. It's only made out to be such a big deal because they make it that way - by worrying and analyzing too much. The more you dwell on something - the more it tends to bother you. You gotta just not care so much. These things really aren't that important, or worth losing your mind over. Once you realise that its not a big deal, and causes more harm than good - you're much better off. Can't let everything get to you.

Rejection means nothing, because nobody is special. Their approval doesn't determine your worth. You don't need anybody. Just because they're retarded, all about the status, and care about these things - doesnt mean you have to. Too many guys are acting like women, and trying to understand them - by being just like them. Thinking like them. Losing themselves to them. Putting themselves in their shoes. Letting them run the show. Playing their stupid games. Analyzing their behaviors. Making it all about them. So, they end up whining about dumb **** just like them. Complaining and whining over how women are, throwing a pity-party, looking for sympathy... Stop acting like little girls. Who cares if this girl is a dumb *****? She's not worth stressing over, and keeping in your mind. Stop dissecting her every move and trait. Get rid of her.

Not accepting the red pill would be my guess as to why it happens... Still living in a fantasy world; idolizing women; making them out to be bigger than they are; believing everything they say; assuming they're as good as they claim. They probably think that there must be some kind of grand prize waiting behind this girl who acts disinterested, teases them, plays games, acts closed off, complains about men, is dating others, etc. She MUST be something special to act like such a stuck up, snobby *****, or have little to no interest in them. They find out eventually that there's no pot of gold to be found. The chase was more exciting than the catch. Just because they have options, are challenging, and date around - doesn't mean they're a good catch, or worth anything. Most people who tease, act immature, and play games AREN'T worth anything.

They don't ask themselves the right questions. It's not why does everyone like her - its why does no one want to keep her? Why does she tease men and play games? Probably because she's insecure, annoying, and unlikeable. It's the only way she can keep them interested. They only want her for sex. She's crazy. Those are the things they should be looking at.

They need to realise that nobody is special. There's no reason to chase, cave in, give away all the control, jump through hoops, prove your worth, worry about if they like you or not, over-analyze everything, etc. Most people simply aren't worth a damn, and certainly not worth all the BS you put yourself through... All the mental torture, being pushed around, getting used and played... For what? One person who's probably a loser anyway? Are they really that important? Why are you seeking their approval? Why do you care so much? Why do you analyze them?

Some people never snap out of it, realize these things, ask these kind of questions, or change their ways - only to complain about it over and over. They're only disappointed because they have expectations, live in fantasyland,and place women and relationships on a pedestal... I'd wager that a lot of people are so bored and lonely that they purposely over-analyze everything, and make it out to be bigger than it is. Like, dating is some huge puzzle to figure out. It fills their minds with something to think about.

While they're trying to find out what works, and trying to play the game right, or give her everything she wants, and be the perfect everything - another person comes in and nabs her away. That's because he took action; wasn't afraid to be himself; and didn't place her or dating on a pedestal. "But he's such a loser, and I'm so awesome and perfect", they say. "What does she see in him? I'm King Pimp; the encyclopedia of game". That's because he actually DID something.

This is where jerks are most successful. They just don't care. They go for it, and don't care if they get rejected. They don't try to impress the women, or follow a rulebook. They don't wait forever to make a move, or do anything else. They don't ask or tell. They just do. They also don't try to heal her, play her games, allow themselves to be controlled, or act like insecure girls.

The nice guys (or whoever) plan, analyze, worry, obsess, and think too much. Even when the girl shows interest - they delay and delay. Like they're playing a damn football game - complete with a playbook, time-outs, instant replays, challenges... They try figuring everything out - instead of just going with the flow, and taking action. They ask for permission, find out where she stands, what she wants... It's too predictable and boring. He takes too long, talks too much, thinks too hard, acts too serious, tries to determine where she stands - without ever DOING anything. She gets bored and bangs another guy who's 500x more exciting - then he complains and analyzes EVEN MORE. It's the fear, hesitation, over-analysis, and inaction that caused this to happen in the first place. They try too hard to make her think - instead of feel. They also try too hard to do everything right - instead of just doing.

Mostly, though, they're desperate and insecure. They're afraid of losing her. They need her. That is the core of the problem, and it shows in all these posts. They're not doing these things for themselves - they're doing everything to attract women. The neediness is still running the show, which is why they failed in the first place. They worry and care too much. They try doing everything right. They don't want to fail and be alone.

The only difference is, instead of asking the girl these things - they ask other guys. They're still trying to figure everything out, and do everything right - for HER. They just don't want to ask her, because she might get turned off and lose interest. And worrying about that is the root of the problem. This is what needs to be addressed before anything else. Stop doing everything for women, and caring about them so much.

A lot of what people do to prevent things from happening is the same thing that causes them to happen in the first place. Funny how that works. The nature of fear...
really good post
 
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