I Want This Answered

[John-467]

I'm 23 right now and examining my life up into this point, I've come to a lot of conclusions about life, women, and money in general.

This thread is more to discussion my conclusions on women in general and what if anything I could do to change this?

This part of sosuave is what the entire board of sosuave used to be years ago, posters like str8up and joekerr invest their time and talents to assist the board. I am gracious for that, and thanks for assisting a young man lol.

So what are my conclusions? What as I stated in thread a while ago:

THERE'S TWO WORLDS

95% of the world is in one

5% is in the other one

It's like either you are going to be in one or the other.

World Number One, this is where 95% of the world is. Things like sex, and tradition, and social dynamics and all that other shyt is the ruler here. This is the world where all of the posters are trying to LEARN TIPS to live better within. They want to learn how to talk, walk, etc., so women will like them more and sleep with them and love them lol.

But I mean, I can see the conscrewed-ness of this world. I can see that these women are not so great people. Sex is not a reward or an accomplishment, a relationship is more a temporary "flow" or a slave-filled experience.

It's like it's more to an advantage to just NOT live in this world and operate in it. But as a consequence, well, unless you are some type of a leader or something.....you typically are alone a lot. You COULD sex some chicks, but it's like you already are aware of the bullshyt and just don't want to get involved in it. The world looks at you like a loser, the "friends" that come around you do so more out of pity. You know this world is conscrewed and you just go about your business and try to do want you need to do to get out of this environment.....however you find that there's really nowhere to run from this.

 

[John-467]

World Number Two, this is a world where there ARE masculine men and feminine women. The men are busy taking down the world and making it better, and the women are busy supporting those men. This world moves the world as a whole, almost CHANGES the whole damn scene at a snap of a finger. This is the world that I want to live in, this is the world that I must get to. But I just have a hard time finding it physically. My soul and spirit belongs to this world....yet my body is trapped in World Number One.

I get laid, but the women hate me.
I am respected by other men, but if a woman gets offended and says, "Kill that bastard," I'll have 7 guys coming after my life.
Business is my heart, I love business. It's all that I do, to me it's the only escape from this world.

At times I chose to just NOT go after women anymore in this world, because I know that either I will get laid all over the place, but what good does that do, when no one in this world actually likes you? It's a different scenery. You have fans, you have women that will fvck your brains out, and you have guys that respect you a lot....but you know in your damn soul that these people are NOT YOUR FRIENDS, they will take you down in a snap! This realization makes me distant and makes me not go around people at ALL.

I know I'm not crazy, and I know that what I am speaking of is real.....however there's no one I can talk to about this. When I talk to people about this....it's either:

- Get over it
- It's all in your head
- Just go finish getting laid.

I'm posting this in this Mature Man section, because I see posters like joekerr and others posting here....and I think that you guys know just what the fvck I'm talking about. I don't make posts much asking for things, but I'm asking, "Somebody just fvckin explain this shyt to me!"

I'm nothing like this environment! Nothing!
I can get laid, and I can have "friends" but NONE of these people like me....NONE.

And I just need some explaination on this, does anybody know what I'm talking about?

-DJF

 

[jophil28]

Relationships are all about mutual exploitation -no one really "likes" anybody in a pure sense. What we DO like is those who fit into our personal template or our "plan". WE dislike those who would appear to be obstacles or threats to the "Plan".

Simple really!

 

[STR8UP]

Congratulations. You are one of the 5% of people who know about the 5% of people. I'm not kidding. Okay, maybe 10% of people KNOW about the 95/5 rule, but it is only a true 5% that make it into the club.

With money, I would break it down this way. 95% of people are relatively clueless as to money. This is the "go to college, get a good job, buy a house and sock away the few dollars in your 401k crowd". Thing is, some of these people do well over the long haul. Some even get really good jobs and make bank before they are too old to enjoy it. Good for them.

The other 5% know the game. Some play it so well they become multi-billionaires. Most don't achieve anywhere near that level of monetary success, but they manage to live a more fulfilling life due to their level of financial independence.

With women it's a little more complex.

Although I would say that I get more than my share of chicks interested in me, I'm not one of the 20% who gets 80% of the *****. For me that's just too much work.

Basically 20% of men have what it takes to bag the majority of women, BUT....that doesn't necessarily mean that they are being fulfilled. Getting laid and having a good relationship with a woman are two different things.

With women you have to look at it another way as well. Some guys have an above average understanding of women but don't necessarily subscribe to the whole quantity over quality deal. I would like to think that I am part of that club.

The problem with being in this club is that you can have the "curse of the DJ" which means that you almost know women TOO well, that it causes you to make rational decisions where most people make emotional decisions.

It's good in the sense that it keeps you from getting hooked by the talons of a she-devil (and somewhat less threatening women), but it's bad in that sometimes you are going to miss out on some short term fun.

You have fans, you have women that will fvck your brains out, and you have guys that respect you a lot....but you know in your damn soul that these people are NOT YOUR FRIENDS, they will take you down in a snap! This realization makes me distant and makes me not go around people at ALL.

I find it fascinating that you would have this view of the world at your age. only one or two other younger posters on here have that level of awareness, and a lot of it comes from business.

Dude, in the past couple of years i have learned some hard, HARD lessons.

My business partner's ex wife robbed us for about $150k. My BEST FRIEND from high school stole another $100k+ from me. An acquaintance of mine who i used to hang out with I started doing some business with, and this guy turned on me, even KNOWING what I went through with the other people!

And yea, most women don't really love you. They love the FEELINGS you give them. Do something to evoke emotion in a woman, and you think she's yours forever. Then you get a bit too comfortable and lossen the reigns a bit, and the next thing you know she's fukking the guy in the next cubicle and blaming it all on you.

The world is a cruel place, my young brother. Just gotta find out the REAL deal and learn how to use it to create as much happiness for yourself as possible.

Good post.

 

[Mr.Positive]

Good post str8up..

 

[disillusionist]

theres one world and 100% of the people are in it, including you. get over your superiority complex. if you feel you dont fit into the world, its probably not because you are so great and the rest of us are too dumb to appreciate the genius and uniqueness of heroic men like you, its probably simply because you've happened to acquire a warped and unhelpful set of beliefs and understandings of the world. simple as that. so ill go with (2): its all in your head.... and (1) would be useful as well: get over it.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Welcome to the Matrix.

 

[rakishness]

Relationships are all about mutual exploitation -no one really "likes" anybody in a pure sense. What we DO like is those who fit into our personal template or our "plan". WE dislike those who would appear to be obstacles or threats to the "Plan".

Simple really!

Very well put. Great words of wisdom.

 

[Interceptor]

Maybe I'm not as smart as you.
But don't egocentric superficial people flock to other egocentric superficial people too?

So you're saying you're really a deep, compassionate, friendly, trusting, and loyal man who doesn't simply use people and then throw them away and treats others with compassion, trust, etc?


I dunno. Just askin'

 

[~attrACTION~]

Wow this is a great thread.

 

[STR8UP]

theres one world and 100% of the people are in it, including you. get over your superiority complex. if you feel you dont fit into the world, its probably not because you are so great and the rest of us are too dumb to appreciate the genius and uniqueness of heroic men like you, its probably simply because you've happened to acquire a warped and unhelpful set of beliefs and understandings of the world. simple as that. so ill go with (2): its all in your head.... and (1) would be useful as well: get over it.

It has nothing to do with a superiority complex. Not many people would debate the fact that the minority of men have the majority of success with women. It is what it is, call it what you like.

With money it's even more of a specialized thing, and if you don't "get it", chances are that's the way you will live your life, and when someone comes along and challenges what you THINK you know, you will attack them as you have done.

Like it or not, this is how the world is.

 

[pornstar88]

People only truly care about themselves, and thier close familys. IF your not immediate family they dont care about you as much as you think. You have to accept it and that makes me realize even more humans are animals too.

 

[pornstar88]

bottom line everyone is trying to use everyone. LOve is only an addiction to a person. Everyone is going to die. You have to get over it

 

[kratosnofear]

Lots of good points. I would say that those 95% live emotionally and the 5% can see the logic behind all that emotion. It can be scary at first but once you understand and accept it you can begin to see ways in which you can make your life so much more enjoyable.

An emotional person lets their emotions take control of them and often this causes them to make bad decisions. Because of cognitive dissonance (google it) the mind has a hard time of holding on to conflicting ideas and naturally will justify the idea that supports the decision they made, even if it's a bad decision. This is the reason why it's almost impossible to convince someone they are wrong.

You might want to start learning about ways to connect with people on a more emotional level. The book "how to win friends & influence people" is pretty good.

 

[Being_the_Don]

I've read through the comments in this thread and I'm w/ the OP on this one. Even in this discussion we're divided into two camps: those who believe that there is something out of synch with the world and the other camp believes that everything is meant to be this way. But the latter camp needs to realize that there really are people who stand out in the world for good or bad they have an impact. There's a saying the nail that stands up gets hammered down. That's because the majority of people don't want the changes that the visionary (and that's what such "nails" often are) is bringing in. Unfortunately it is a rule in this world. But there is another rule, too. One which says change must happen. People who have gifted insight are often able to be more philosophical about things than most others. They are often loners not because they dislike people but because they're constantly thinking about what is happening in the world, why people treat others the way they do, why there's so much selfishness and superficialness about things.

I feel this way a lot of the time. And I'm one of those people who doesn't go along with the crowd. I do what I have to do. It's like this I've noticed: most people are followers. You can see it everywhere. Like for example when one car rushes the light a couple of other cars follow right behind them even risking an accident. Or people stand around watching someone getting ripped apart and all they do is watch. Most people will just live their lives only concerned about what affects them and only them. And that pressure to "conform" weighs on the people who want to see changes in the world. But we resist anyway. And most people will look at you differently wondering what your motives are. Or sensing that you are different that you talk about things in a way that is radically different than them they feel uncomfortable and resent and hate you for it. They'll even look for ways to stop you because it's a threat to the way that they think. Because they're limited.

And when someone in this thread wrote that noone cares about anybody else, I disagree with that, too. Even for those in the camp thatthink things are meant to be this way want love. I mean, don't they? Like if a guy gets with a hot babe just for the sex and recognition that's just his one dimensional way of thinking. But sooner or later he's going to fall for a woman and fall hard and fast. And when she dumps HIM he'll feel devastated not for his bruised ego but because he really loved her. So yeah, those people want something, too. But they're still in that other camp.

There really are people who do things for other people without selfich intent. It's rare because most altruistic behavior is directed toward close relatives (similar genes means protection for future generations of those who share your genes) but the compassionate behavior persists. So it's adapative behavior, too (and not maladapative either but positive reinforcing behavior). And there are people who truly do depend on others not because they're lazy but because they really can't make it on their own. And they appreciate it when someone helps them.

But it goes beyond that, the people who see that things are out of synch don't always care about others. Sometimes they're selfish, too. But they still see that the majority of people just don't get it, that most people in the world are locked into a way of thinking that will keep them stuck in a quagmire. The visionary doesn't like to wait. He may wait for things to make their way or he might nudge them along if necessary BUT he doesn't just sit around waiting (or rather accepting) things the way they are. That's why people can often times be boring to them not because they don't like people but because they can see that most people simply are too limited to see that things are out of kilter.

It's not about thinking that you're better than others when you're like this, it's just that you see beyond the one dimensional games that most people engage in and you can do better.

Those are my 2 cents on it.

 

[Interceptor]

So is what you're saying is that he really is better than everyone else, and everyone else is a bunch of moronic robots?
And what does he want us to do for him?
What is it that he wants answered?

No, I'm serious.
So he doesn't have a superiority complex but he's superior to the 95 prercent of the population out there.
And his problem is what?
That he wishes he weren't so superior?
Basically it sounds like he doesn't have any friends, and wants to be understood.

Am I correct?

 

[Being_the_Don]

So is what you're saying is that he really is better than everyone else, and everyone else is a bunch of moronic robots?
And what does he want us to do for him?
What is it that he wants answered?

No, I'm serious.
So he doesn't have a superiority complex but he's superior to the 95 prercent of the population out there.
And his problem is what?
That he wishes he weren't so superior?
Basically it sounds like he doesn't have any friends, and wants to be understood.

Am I correct?

I can't speak for him but Ithink that I may know where he's coming from. From my interpretation of his post it seems to me that he realizes that something is missing in his interaction with the people he's around from day to day. And it might be a superiority complex or it could be that he just doesn't agree with the way they think.

Most people are going to follow the group even if the group doesn't know where it's going. When I commented earlier that visionaries may sometimes be loners it doesn't mean that they have no associations. Sometimes they feel alone because the way that they think about the world is radically different than the way most others feel about it.

If you look at most of the people who are considered heroes or icons they had a different way of seeing things than most others. And quite often their views were not readily accepted in their lifetime. Sure they had people who liked what they had to say they even had a following but they also had a lot of nay sayers who did everything they could to debunk the change. But change happens, it's a part of life. Sometimes you just feel it. You know that you know SOMETHING even though you can't necessarily put your finger on it. And it affects how you think and feel and you realize that it drives you, you want to learn more and do more. Usually it means seeing where the world is and where it could be. And it's not about feeling superior, it's about wanting to see things for how they could be, seeing them and wanting to make it so. So you work on making it so no matter what negs you get from the majority, you take their attitude towards it as power and assurance that you're on the right track. Because if you were to listen to those who say it can't be done (whatever it is you know can be done) then it won't ever get done. You see what I'm getting at? It's really those who see "it" and feel "it" in their bones and the very fiber of their beings who aren't satisfied with what life says they must be and work to make life the way they know it can be. And they know that they can and will have an impact. That's what it means. At least to me.

 

[STR8UP]

So is what you're saying is that he really is better than everyone else, and everyone else is a bunch of moronic robots?
And what does he want us to do for him?
What is it that he wants answered?

No, I'm serious.
So he doesn't have a superiority complex but he's superior to the 95 prercent of the population out there.

He didn't say anything about being superior. You are only making this argument because you feel as though you are in the 95% category.

I know where he is coming from, because i was in his shoes at his age.

I had an idea that there was a different world out there than I knew at the time, I just didn't know what it was or how to get to it back then. so I started searching and found my answers in books about building wealth. I found that there IS another way to look at things, and it produces results.

Then I got involved with this community and started studying psychology and sociology and realized that it was the same with women. I found that what I had been taught my entire life was WRONG. Is there any wonder why I kept banging my head against the wall?

Be willing to open your eyes and expand your mind, it will get you MUCH more in life.

 

[Interceptor]

You are only making this argument because you feel as though you are in the 95% category.

:crackup:
You're a funny guy.
Thanks for the laugh.
Hey so you think we shoudl build an altar for you too?
Maybe write a book about your life?

Yeah, you got me pegged, Str8. Man, no foolin' you.

Be willing to open your eyes and expand your mind, it will get you MUCH more in life.

You know, I'll be serious for a moment.
You haven't got a freakin' clue who I am. And seeing you giving me this advice, makes me shake my head in disbelief.
You have no idea what I've done, what I'm studying, what I believe, who I've studied under, and what I do.


Get over yourself, please.

Save your venom for someone else.

Thanks.

 

[BluEyes]

I had an idea that there was a different world out there than I knew at the time, I just didn't know what it was or how to get to it back then. so I started searching and found my answers in books about building wealth. I found that there IS another way to look at things, and it produces results.

Then I got involved with this community and started studying psychology and sociology and realized that it was the same with women. I found that what I had been taught my entire life was WRONG. Is there any wonder why I kept banging my head against the wall?

Be willing to open your eyes and expand your mind, it will get you MUCH more in life.
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This is a very very vague concept we're discussing here.

A more down-to-earth explanation rather than just a "there is another way to look at things" type response would go over nicely.

I'm not being niave, but right from the op, I can't really pinpoint the exact "way of looking at things". It's so vague I might be in this 5% and still not know what you're talking about. It sounds to me like this "getting it" is different from the one we traditionally know concerning the ladies.