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I want Mutualism in my relationships, do you?

ka_mate

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Hi there,

This thread is for guys who want to benefit the most out of their relationships. Whether it be sexually, socially, financially or any other "lly" that holds value in your life. I believe that each of us want to get the most out of our relationships and I'm imagining you want your relationships with women to be as pleasurable and beneficial experience as possible.

Firstly, I must give credit to Eric Thomas and Pook for the ideas that have shaped my idea for this thread.

Mutualism definition: Mutualism is the way two organisms of different species biologically interact in a relationship in which each individual derives a fitness benefit

The focus of this post is aimed at guys who are interested and/or involved in relationships.

I believe that most of us want at the core of each relationship of ours some benefit to ourselves. Whether it be

1. You and your accountant (you're not going to see him or her just to chat socially or for the sheer exhalation of poring over financial statements. You are seeing them so that you benefit financially)
2. You and your ONS (you're benefiting sexually)
3. You and your parents (you benefit by them caring for you and providing all the necessities of life as a child)
4. You and a checkout chick (You're benefiting by getting your groceries processed and she is getting paid to do so)

and finally, and most pertinently to this forum, your relationships with women.

"Ahh, of course we want to benefit from our relationships ka_mate," You say.

And it is natural for you as a human being to want to reap benefits from all your relationships. It is a natural thing for us to want. Notice that I said us. Everybody shares this self interest and desire to improve one social, economic, physical, psychological standing in the world.

Hence, your girlfriends or wives also share these desires.

What I propose is as follows
In your longer term relationships with women (>1 month) aim to engender and cultivate a culture of mutualism.

"But what is mutualism?" You ask.

Mutualism definition: Mutualism is the way two organisms of different species biologically interact in a relationship in which each individual derives a fitness benefit

Now this biological definition ripped straight from wikipedia doesn't fully explain the idea that I am conveying.

What I am saying is this. You want your relationship to be a win-win situation and BOTH you and your partner benefit from it.

This may include

- Doing healthy activities with your women whether it be hiking, walking, bike riding, social sport with friends
- Both striving to become better lovers and pleasure the other more effectively sexually. This may include being open and willing to discuss sexual preferences and constantly trying to improve your performance and finding ways to become a better lover.

This to me is a no-brainer. If you can openly discuss sex and are patient and willing to take a bit of constructive criticism then you will become a better lover. I believe this will BENEFIT both you and her greatly.
Mutalism at its finest

For instance
1. If you are able to please her better and make the whole sexual experience better then she is more likely to want sex more often

She benefits: More pleasurable sex
You benefit: More frequent sex and you develop sexual competency

Even if the relationship ends you still have benefited by learning a lot of techniques and tricks to be a better lover in future relationships.

- Undertaking new exciting experiences together. This could include white river rafting, sky diving, dancing classes, going to a concert or comedy show or whatever else you want to try.

Benefits to both of you include: Increased connection after having experienced something exciting together. An enjoyable and exhilarating experience and perhaps the overcoming of certain fears. This I believe ties in well with some of Pook's ideas.

If you are suggesting new and exciting things to do a women will see you as fun, spontaneous, exciting and these are desirable traits in a man.

- Have fun together. Do things that you enjoy and find a girl that enjoys doing similar things to you. If you honestly cannot do anything that you both find enjoyable with a girl, why in the name of God are you with her?

You benefit: You have fun. Fun is good, I don't think I need to explain this
She benefits: She has fun

If you can't enjoy life together then perhaps you shouldn't be together.

When I was at school, one of the older, gentlemanly teachers gave us the following advice

Find a women that motivates and supports you to become a better person

This advice is brilliant. Yes, there will be girls who are not interested in benefiting you and are solely self-interested, disregard them. I would rather be single than in a damaging or draining relationship. Aim to find a women who motivates you to succeed in all aspects of your life and aim to help her in hers. Think of your relationship not as a chore or a battle to get frequent sex with as little effort as possible but a collaborative effort to each live a more fulfilling life.
 

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ka_mate said:
When I was at school, one of the older, gentlemanly teachers gave us the following advice

Find a women that motivates and supports you to become a better person

This advice is brilliant. Yes, there will be girls who are not interested in benefiting you and are solely self-interested, disregard them. I would rather be single than in a damaging or draining relationship. Aim to find a women who motivates you to succeed in all aspects of your life and aim to help her in hers. Think of your relationship not as a chore or a battle to get frequent sex with as little effort as possible but a collaborative effort to each live a more fulfilling life.
There are not enough Rep Points in the world for this one.
 

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ka_mate said:
Find a women that motivates and supports you to become a better person

This advice is brilliant. Yes, there will be girls who are not interested in benefiting you and are solely self-interested, disregard them. I would rather be single than in a damaging or draining relationship. Aim to find a women who motivates you to succeed in all aspects of your life and aim to help her in hers. Think of your relationship not as a chore or a battle to get frequent sex with as little effort as possible but a collaborative effort to each live a more fulfilling life.
This is nonsense

unless you want an uggo borderline lesbian Indian moustached chick or fattie who can't get another dude...sure she'll help you with your calculus to 'make you better' but who the fvck cares lol!

Hot ch!cks don't do this...they want guys who have their sh!t together...their looks, height, and money $ are on point....women want you TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND....ok if you're an olympic snowboarder they might help you wax you're board...but definitely not shave/sand it...thats hard work lol
 

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Burroughs said:
This is nonsense

unless you want an uggo borderline lesbian Indian moustached chick or fattie who can't get another dude...sure she'll help you with your calculus to 'make you better' but who the fvck cares lol!

Hot ch!cks don't do this...they want guys who have their sh!t together...their looks, height, and money $ are on point....women want you TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND....ok if you're an olympic snowboarder they might help you wax you're board...but definitely not shave/sand it...thats hard work lol

you should still strive for it , believe me , if you do your job right , with the right kind of woman you can get her to chop the tree down and carve the board lol

i understand we have to keep the mind set that 99% of women are these stupid airhead bimbos that wanna be taken care of , but if we don't strive for something better then there's no point in any relationship

yes ... almost all of them are the same , but a few are diffident , and would like to go through life with you helping you if necessary , the fact that butch lesbians exist is proof enough that not all women have the same mindset lol
like i said most do , but some dont , and the more i learn about the average woman , it makes me want to search even harder for one that's different , and if i never find them , atleast it will be a very fun ride
 

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Zerro said:
There are not enough Rep Points in the world for this one.
Ineed. A woman may love you, fvck you and be with you... but at the end of the day ask yourself is she a giving person or a taking person.
 

Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.

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EDIT: Accidental incomplete post
 

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Firstly, Burroughs I thank you for your criticism because it gives me a chance to rethink and re evaluate what I've said and perhaps tackle issues I hadn't previously thought about. So thanks for that


Pook said in his 'Fifteen Lessons' article that you have to realise that "You are the catch" but he then warned against thinking that because you are the catch you don't have to do anything and can sit back and enjoy life as women pander to you.

I would suggest a similar warning here. Mutualism is not about you sitting back and letting your women take care of everything in your life and improving it for you but instead her assisting you to do so yourself.

For instance, if your goal was to start a business you wouldn't sit back and let her do all the product development, research, legalities and all the other tasks.

Instead, you might talk with her about your ideas and she might offer a smarter, easier way of going about things that you might not have previously thought of on your own.

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A lot of guys on this thread talk about standards and it is all to common to see someone say

"I'm considering going out/ fvcking a HB5, should I do it?"

and invariably someone knee jerk reacts and says

"Have standards brah, anything below a HB7 is fugly"

I think standards extend beyond the physical and include personality and this is often overlooked. This is even more important in a relationship context where the personality of the girl has a bigger and more enduring impact on you.

Imagine you're out with a HB9 and she's the kind of girl that when you're with you notice tons of guys checking out (this is actually a really amazing thing to do because when you look at them they don't notice you and it gives you an indication of how many people check out girls) and your friends give you high fives for being with her. But if she speaks down of your passions and interests and says things like

"Oh you're into (insert your strongest passion here) that's weird."
"Why do you want to start a business? You'll just fail"
"Your friends are annoying. I don't want you to go out with them"
"Yuck, I'm not (insert a sex act you like in here), that's disgusting"

Standards
Looks: Pass with flying colours
Personality: FAIL

Overall: FAIL

Therefore, even though she is a HB9 by going out with her she is below your standards.

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In my own life I've experienced a girl being willing to help improve my life.

I had written a speech for one of my friends birthday's and due to lengthy family speeches I felt that the slightly drunken crowd didn't want to listen anymore and did not give the speech. I told this to my current girlfriend and she listened to the speech and said that I should send it to him anyway. I had not thought of this and thought it was a good idea so I did so. My friend really enjoyed receiving the letter with the speech in it.

In this scenario my girlfriend helped me improve my relationship with one of my friends by suggesting an idea I had not thought of and for this I'm grateful.
 
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