I think height and muscles will you get you laid more than your face.

[Tha Realnezz]

In any scenario the first guys that always stand out to women(women not girls) is the taller men and the musclebound men.

I don't think most adult women have time to be looking at men's faces and anylyzing who is more attractive.

At a certain age women start qualifying men and take into consideration a man's education,pay rate and other genetic factors to see if he would be a stable enough father..

I don't think a pretty face will do the trick alone just like most men will go after a nice ass and rack before going after a nice face.

(At least where I come from there might be a cultural issue there.)

FME...Lifetime experience post junior high women will gravitate more towards the jocks,taller men & gym rats more so then she would a pretty boy.

So that might be the answer to some of you "I'm a 9 yet I never get approached" guys.

I know butt ugly guys from my gym who get LOTS of attention..

 

[Vypros]

I used to a know a woman who was married to a guy who used to lift weights.

This guy was frikin' HUGE too. Tall, relatively good looking, had the whole package as far as looks were concerned. And he was into weight lifting and looking good and all that jazz.

You know what? She was REPULSED by it. Not just turned off, but repulsed.

They were divorced/seperated like 2 years later.

Muscles, looks, height, weight, they don't matter! Get that **** out of your brain right now. In actuality they do matter a LITTLE bit, but it's only like 20 % of the whole package that women are into! But for the purposes of this forum and the people who post her, FORGET ABOUT THE WAY YOU LOOK! FOR GODS SAKES SPEND THE TIME ON WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU ACT!

 

[Fuglydude]

I think looks are in some ways a manifestation of your internal state. If one is disciplined, focussed, and actually gives a shiite then he/she will take care of his/her appearance and try and look his best.

Working hard to look your best shows discipline, strength of character that willl spill over into other aspects of life, and greatly help with confidence. I do agree that attitude is the most important thing when it comes to success in life, but looks in some ways are a manifestation of attitude/internal state.

 

[logicallefty]

I used to a know a woman who was married to a guy who used to lift weights.

This guy was frikin' HUGE too. Tall, relatively good looking, had the whole package as far as looks were concerned. And he was into weight lifting and looking good and all that jazz.

You know what? She was REPULSED by it. Not just turned off, but repulsed.

They were divorced/seperated like 2 years later.

Muscles, looks, height, weight, they don't matter! Get that **** out of your brain right now. In actuality they do matter a LITTLE bit, but it's only like 20 % of the whole package that women are into! But for the purposes of this forum and the people who post her, FORGET ABOUT THE WAY YOU LOOK! FOR GODS SAKES SPEND THE TIME ON WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU ACT!

I don't believe that she was repulsed by it but I believe that's what she told everybody. She was probably attracted to it deep down but was just doing the "He's really into it so it's my quest to try and change it" drill that we all are familiar with (if we read this site regularly).. I bet he either left her for being a nag, or, she DID finally get him to change and then lost her attraction towards him because of that and thus left him.

I think it's a push/pull on the "looks matter" issue. An uber muscular good looking tall guy can get away with being more AFC and less DJ.. A butt ugly short fat guy needs to suplement his physical flaws by being a lot more DJ and wayyy less of an AFC. Most of us fall in the middle between the two extremes..

Bottom line: both extremes have it in their power to get the same chicks.

 

[Vypros]

I don't believe that she was repulsed by it but I believe that's what she told everybody. She was probably attracted to it deep down but was just doing the "He's really into it so it's my quest to try and change it" drill that we all are familiar with (if we read this site regularly).. I bet he either left her for being a nag, or, she DID finally get him to change and then lost her attraction towards him because of that and thus left him.

lol

 

[blueguy]

I used to a know a woman who was married to a guy who used to lift weights.

This guy was frikin' HUGE too. Tall, relatively good looking, had the whole package as far as looks were concerned. And he was into weight lifting and looking good and all that jazz.

You know what? She was REPULSED by it. Not just turned off, but repulsed.

They were divorced/seperated like 2 years later.

I haven't been in a relationship since I started lifting weights (getting pretty big now...), but I can see how a girl may be turned off by it in a relationship. It's a lot of hard work and dedication.

Outside of a relationship, when I keep girls at a distance, they love it. They give comments on my body. It's a huge turn on. But they really have no idea how much of a lifestyle it is to keep that kind of body. I spend an hour in the gym every day and my entire daily diet (eating ALL the time) revolves around it.

I guess we'll find out what happens, but I have heard of this before where the girl gets sick of a guy's workout routine/lifestyle. But that's the tradeoff. If she doesn't like it, she can find a guy with a hairy gut who doesn't do all of this stuff.

 

[mrRuckus]

I spend an hour in the gym every day and my entire daily diet (eating ALL the time) revolves around it.

There's absolutely no reason to go to the gym every day. You're not gaining anything by it.

 

[Vypros]

I haven't been in a relationship since I started lifting weights (getting pretty big now...), but I can see how a girl may be turned off by it in a relationship. It's a lot of hard work and dedication.

Outside of a relationship, when I keep girls at a distance, they love it. They give comments on my body. It's a huge turn on. But they really have no idea how much of a lifestyle it is to keep that kind of body. I spend an hour in the gym every day and my entire daily diet (eating ALL the time) revolves around it.

I guess we'll find out what happens, but I have heard of this before where the girl gets sick of a guy's workout routine/lifestyle. But that's the tradeoff. If she doesn't like it, she can find a guy with a hairy gut who doesn't do all of this stuff.

The interesting thing is, that you can be fit, healthy, and have a great body without making your entire life out of it.

 

[blueguy]

There's absolutely no reason to go to the gym every day. You're not gaining anything by it.

Of course I am. It speeds up the transformation process. Only 3-4 days of that is weight training. The other 3-4 days is cardio to burn off the extra fat I've accumulated from eating a lot.

 

[dynamicallyidle]

I know game (brains) gets you way more women than either face or body. So I don't really care about this debate.

In any scenario the first guys that always stand out to women(women not girls) is the taller men and the musclebound men.

I don't think most adult women have time to be looking at men's faces and anylyzing who is more attractive.

At a certain age women start qualifying men and take into consideration a man's education,pay rate and other genetic factors to see if he would be a stable enough father..

I don't think a pretty face will do the trick alone just like most men will go after a nice ass and rack before going after a nice face.

(At least where I come from there might be a cultural issue there.)

FME...Lifetime experience post junior high women will gravitate more towards the jocks,taller men & gym rats more so then she would a pretty boy.

So that might be the answer to some of you "I'm a 9 yet I never get approached" guys.

I know butt ugly guys from my gym who get LOTS of attention..

 

[sparky0000]

Less effort on building those abs and more on building the size of your wallet. Seriously, gay dudes are all about looks. Why? They are still males. What you idiots don't understand is that males and females are driven by different things. You fall in love with your eyes. They don't. Vypros at least gets it. Girls equate money to power and success. That is what turns on the average female.

 

[Jay Jay]

agree to an extent.

i'm 5'8 and will admit that being short is a big disadvantage against taller guys.

i have been really skinny when i was doing drugs and been overweight when living like a slob and drinking a lot of beer. now that i hit the gym.

i can honestly say that the attention i get from girls [i have not yet met] is directly proportional to how good my body is.

but.

i got a nice face and have noticed that when i enter a room with taller less good looking guys i get more iois.

every girl is different. i slept with the tallest girl in my year at high school [when i was one of the shortest guys] and she said she liked shorties. i've known girls who go crazy for black dudes, white dudes, lebs, punks, guys with holdens, who walk dogs, play guitars, have dreadlocks, have big ****s, etc etc...

and

personality, game, sexual energy, a sense of humour, social status [of which social proof is an element] and confidence are the most important factors.

JJ

 

[thickandcreamy]

Realnezz: "I think x y and z will you get you laid more than a b and c."

Post your lay reports proving this. The rest is just bullsh1t.

 

[Tha Realnezz]

Not saying that attitude and mentality doesn't matter what i'm saying is that some guys assume looks have to do exclusivley with their face when usually for most women that's false...

I know women that say they are "scared' of huge,WWE-size guys that are nothing but muscle and think they are "crazy or gay".

But most women from my experience hit on a guys butt and arms more than she would his face.

I don't think men and women are that different I just think men are more forthcoming with their intentions and needs.

While women want to hide or blatantly lie about what they really want cuz they think it will scare men away(and it will).

Do you really want to think women aren't pleased with less than a seven inch ****?Or a guy that's at least six feet tall?or a guy that doesn't have a nice car?...Hell no,even though most men know this deep down women know this well make them seem like *****s..

 

[Tha Realnezz]

Realnezz: "I think x y and z will you get you laid more than a b and c."

Post your lay reports proving this. The rest is just bullsh1t.

I don't do that lame **** anymore.Do you think I have a notepad around me at all times?

Most of those things are fake,bro.I don't believe it.I can post pics though later on..

And what's up and with that screen name..eww...

 

[blueguy]

Less effort on building those abs and more on building the size of your wallet. Seriously, gay dudes are all about looks. Why? They are still males. What you idiots don't understand is that males and females are driven by different things. You fall in love with your eyes. They don't. Vypros at least gets it. Girls equate money to power and success. That is what turns on the average female.

From my experience, that's not true. Four years ago, I was making tons of money. I won't say how much here but it is probably more than 99% of other guys in my area. Now I make less and have more girls interested in me than before from working out and dressing better (personality improvement too, but...). Now I can finally see that the girls never really understood what I had going for me. They couldn't see it. It's not like I'm going to tell them "I make xxx dollars doing xxx." Huge turn off. Looks are huge. They're instant. They're part of the status that a girl can actually see. She can't see your car when you're walking around... or your bank account. She can see your clothes though, that's important, but you don't need a huge wallet to dress nice.

The problem about the guy the OP posted about is how he was obsessing over his looks. If you were born with great looks, great. Otherwise, if you're high maintenance, that is a turn off because it makes you seem fake. Bottom line, make your accomplishments appear effortless. It's a law of power.

 

[L777]

Do you really want to think women aren't pleased with less than a seven inch ****?Or a guy that's at least six feet tall?or a guy that doesn't have a nice car?...Hell no,even though most men know this deep down women know this well make them seem like *****s..

Clearly a guy with little real-world experience trying to sound like one with a lot of it...pretty lame

 

[penkitten]

gimme a cute face anyday

 

[Master Bates]

Less effort on building those abs and more on building the size of your wallet. Seriously, gay dudes are all about looks. Why? They are still males. What you idiots don't understand is that males and females are driven by different things. You fall in love with your eyes. They don't. Vypros at least gets it. Girls equate money to power and success. That is what turns on the average female.

Women aren't attracted to men with money. They're attracted to the money, and just use the man. I'd rather a girl be attracted to me than what's in my wallet.

And yeah, this board tends to have a hard time believing how far a good looking face will get you. Yeah, some women will go for body over face, but man women won't. And BELIEVE IT OR NOT you deadlift *****s, not all women are most attracted to the bulky muscle-head look. I've seen it first hand, and hell....all you have to do is look at who the most lusted over guys in hollywood are.

 

[Fred Da Head]

all you have to do is look at who the most lusted over guys in hollywood are.

Yeah because obviously fame and fortune have absolutely nothing to do with the fact women want them.