I think early mid 20s is the lowest point in dating for men

[Listen_to_Olly]

As I grow older, I learn that nothing can really rival your high school and college years when it comes to women and dating. If you were relatively fit, had social skills, had decent circumstances (not homeschooled, didn't go to a commuter college, didn't go to a ****ty ghetto school, etc.), and had some game; you could not only get laid but really feel good about it. I loved those years because it all meant something, you had things like parties, big social groups, and people were fun back then.

When you grow up, it's all about just the sex and the feelings from it, that's it. The **** has made me consider marriage as soon as I get to my 30s because why bother? You're never going to feel the same ****ing a 21 year old if you would have ****ed her with both of you being 21 and going through the same things together.

The truth is, it all really sucks after college, that's why so many of the alphas get married after their school years.

 

[zekko]

The truth is, it all really sucks after college, that's why so many of the alphas get married after their school years.

Whaaaat? I thought an alpha never commits, or so I've been told here.

One of the problems guys who are this age is that the girls in this age range are universally seen as the most attractive and desirable women for men of nearly all ages. They are at their very height of sexual attractiveness and will have more options, while the guys at this age are still several years shy of their SMV peak. As others have said, if you have the value and know what you're doing, you can clean up. But most guys at this age haven't put it all together yet.

 

[Silko]

I have always noticed that chicks increase their interest whenever i mention that i own myself some

That's indeed often a huge turn on on interest level.

But dont start a business for this reason. That should be very stupid. Very.

Do what you value yourself a lot.

 

[Trainwreck]

As I grow older, I learn that nothing can really rival your high school and college years when it comes to women and dating. If you were relatively fit, had social skills, had decent circumstances (not homeschooled, didn't go to a commuter college, didn't go to a ****ty ghetto school, etc.), and had some game; you could not only get laid but really feel good about it. I loved those years because it all meant something, you had things like parties, big social groups, and people were fun back then.

When you grow up, it's all about just the sex and the feelings from it, that's it. The **** has made me consider marriage as soon as I get to my 30s because why bother? You're never going to feel the same ****ing a 21 year old if you would have ****ed her with both of you being 21 and going through the same things together.

The truth is, it all really sucks after college, that's why so many of the alphas get married after their school years.

I didn't like High school or High School 2.0 because status mattered too much. I saw these frat stars and athletes get pu$$y handed to them because of their status. What's funny is watching these guys collapsing once they graduate lolz. One of my frat brothers never had any issues getting girls and now he is in a 8 hour ldr with some girl from college.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I didn't like High school or High School 2.0 because status mattered too much. I saw these frat stars and athletes get pu$$y handed to them because of their status. What's funny is watching these guys collapsing once they graduate lolz. One of my frat brothers never had any issues getting girls and now he is in a 8 hour ldr with some girl from college.

I don't understand just cause a "frat". Doesn't mean nothing about you except you are part of this group and they wanna hand it out like on a platter. You could be a gross dude and still... But that's how these females are and will be.

 

[SHChamp]

I think that the early mid 20s is a perfect time for dating. Keep in mind that I live in Europe and I don't know what it's like in the US, but here, the girls understand your financial situation when you are in your 20s. Now, if you're 30+, still live at home, have no job or car, yes, you're screwed. But, there are no expectations for you to own or have anything in your 20s here.

All you need is to have your sh!t together mentally and physically. Don't nag about the things you don't have, embrace the things you do have and build upon them. You don't need an 80K salary to go to the gym, you don't need an 80k salary to be more social, and you definitely don't need it to game most girls. The ones that you do need it for, you don't want, and they're NOT worth it.

Things that have worked for me A LOT when in situations where I was 'out-financed' by another guy were in the ways I talk, and what I talk about. Every time I engage with a girl that has some level of intelligence I put the focus on her, what is she here for? What are her dreams? Her ambitions? Her favourite experiences? I talk about my travels, and mine. I talk about the big picture, about passion, about sparks with people you meet and the things that they have yet to explore.

Just talking about things like this, leaves out all of the meaningless BS. As soon as I enter into a conversation like this, she is in MY world and no other dude can enter. This works almost always for me, and they never care for what I can PROVIDE, because I am not a provider. I am a lover, and she knows that with me she'll have an amazing night, incredible meaningful talks and mindblowing sex. I am 23 years old, and I have been dating, fcking non stop for the past 3 years ever since I lost my blue-pill ways (mostly).

But, hey, that is just what works for me. I believe it's all in the mindset.

 

[NSX-R]

That's indeed often a huge turn on on interest level.

But dont start a business for this reason. That should be very stupid. Very.

Do what you value yourself a lot.

I wouldn't be sane enough to start some business just to get more chicks. That's just stupid. Even though there are many people out there who are doing this, it works for their own good ,it's another form of motivation.

 

[dk1990S111]

I'm on the same boat . Meanwhile i have to add that different locations have different chicks. I have always noticed that chicks increase their interest whenever i mention that i own myself some business. A fancy car can very rarely add in your value because most of the people believe it's your parents car and not yours (I'm talking when you are in your early 20s).
Only high on testosterone ,red pill , big muscled people in their early/mid 20s can get easily many women. That's the trick.

So true haha went out with my buddies when I first got my car and one of them was bragging about it for me to a couple girls. First thing they said was "its not your dads car?" lol

 

[NSX-R]

So true haha went out with my buddies when I first got my car and one of them was bragging about it for me to a couple girls. First thing they said was "its not your dads car?" lol

I used to own couple of months ago a brand new Audi S5. Everybody was surprised when i was mentioning that was MY car and not my dad's or whatever . Most of the people in my age ,if not all of them , are usually studying and are dead broke and that's why exist such a stereotype. It's even worse when you are a foreigner.

 

[dk1990S111]

I used to own couple of months ago a brand new Audi S5. Everybody was surprised when i was mentioning that was MY car and not my dad's or whatever . Most of the people in my age ,if not all of them , are usually studying and are dead broke and that's why exist such a stereotype. It's even worse when you are a foreigner.

You think thats bad lol imagine having an R8 but I knew not to expect girls to notice before I bought it. I had another exotic before the audi and learned that cars really arent a big deal to girls. I buy them for my own pleasure

 

[Serenity]

The avoidance weasel, writ large.

Or a reason to "pair up".

Depends on your perspective lol.

Edit: for what it is worth, my early 20's were still easy. I was playing a social-circle game in rave circles. I shagged a decent amount of hot girls, but it was always in a social sense. I was never really free.

I learnt to cold approach in my later twenties, and then still got stuck in LTR's lmao. I was being a typical lazy/fearful guy.

You live and learn.

I'm not really fearful, though I was a couple of years ago. I'd say I'm lazy, I don't find stress to be a way to happiness.

There's not the best pool of single women to pick from where I live, they're usually single for a reason. Meaning the quality, even for a lay is pretty sh!t.

My early 20's could have been easy, but for various childhood reasons it didn't become like that. Spent those years fixing my self-esteem and getting my mind together. I get that with the type of social circle you were in, it would be a whole lot simpler to fvck around.

 

[ohrein]

Women don't care about a man's age.. they care what a man can do for them.

Most men in their early to mind 20's have no power, sources, or status for a woman to take advantage of. Youth is not something that raises a man's value the way it does for a woman. POWER attracts women. Power is everything "alpha" stands for. Younger men have power in the form of physical dominance. The ability to win fights and provide a woman with protection. This is only useful to women who live in conditions where safety is a big concern. Snotty high class women don't want a brute outside of a short-term fling. Which is fine since most women are only worth short-term flings. But the brute approach only works while a man is young. It becomes somewhat stupid after a certain age unless the man is also powerful in other ways (alpha). Which is why women whine that men refuse to "grow up".

Older men (30+) are more likely to have power, resources, money and status. When women graduate from college and are done sport f*cking frat boys.. they start trying to level up to raise their position in society. Younger men often have little to offer here compared to older men.

It all goes back to female hypergamy. Women have fleeting priorities. No man should waste his life trying to become exactly what women want. There is really no consistency to what women want. The main benefit of focusing on education, power and money as a man is it benefits you regardless of your ability to attract women. Its not wise to engage in behaviors that don't benefit you just to attract women. Do things that benefit you AND attract women:

• Hit the gym
• Eat well
• Educate yourself
• Be smart with your money
• Try to move up in your career

If you wake up each day and do ONLY the things that benefit YOU.. there is no way to lose this game. Since most men are thirsty slaves to poon they will wake up each day and do things to get laid without considering if those things are actually good for them and their goals.

The master. *bow*

 

[NSX-R]

You think thats bad lol imagine having an R8 but I knew not to expect girls to notice before I bought it. I had another exotic before the audi and learned that cars really arent a big deal to girls. I buy them for my own pleasure

Exactly the same here. Even though , a good car is important if you are dealing with important people. Me as a businessman , i can't show up with my daily old Civic. A good car , is a status symbol and people see in what kind of financial situation you are in and it's even more important inside high social circles. I never even in the slightest thought that a good car will bring me a lot of chicks. All of my friends believe the opposite and very often they ask me to take my car and go hunting.

 

[Dingo]

Lowest point ?..... in your 20's ?

Son... Life hasn't even begun to **** you yet....

Buckle up....

 

[bigneil]

Don't worry - 46 is twice as good as 23. But don't miss out on the 18 year old women you can bang when you are 23. I have to settle for 19 year old women.

 

[zekko]

About driving the cool car: Women don't always think it belongs to your parents, or that your parents bought it for you. The most likely explanation for a young guy driving an expensive car is that they are living outside their means - they're in debt up to their eyeballs. A lot of girls will think that they just spend their money foolishly (although they might see that as a plus lol).