I have a problem with dominance and dominant people

EastWind

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I just realised this after thinking about myself for a bit.

Maybe some of you will know what I'm talking about: I do fine with most people, but with those whom I perceive as being more qualified or having more authority - whatever the matter may be - I start to become submissive, giving in too easily, not defending my views enough etc. Might be someone who appears more knowledgeable about a topic (or all topics, as they often do...). Might be a co-worker or boss.

I had a friend who always sounded sure of himself, appeared to know everything about the topic being discussed. I would mostly give in, even when I was fairly sure I was right. Sometimes there wasn't even anything to be right about, just opinions being discussed, yet somehow he'd try to get everyone (or me) to accept his point of view.

This seems to happen mostly with people I perceive as being more successful in ways I'd like to be successful as well - life, work, women. This seemed to be the case with this friend of mine. He'd never think about things a lot, just went ahead and did them. Seemed to be successful. When you looked at it closely though (which took me ages), he was struggling at university because he would constantly party, drink, smoke and, yes, get laid. A lot if not most of the things he went on about he didn't know 10% of what he appeared to know.

Meanwhile I'm doing very well at university, getting top grades, I speak three languages fluently, have traveled the world more, I have nothing to feel inferior about except that he seems to get through life with a lot less effort and thinking. And doing better with women.

Another example is that in restaurants, when there's something wrong with my food, I'll be embarrassed to complain, or just complaining in general when I believe there's something wrong.

I thought about it - and here comes amateur keyboard psychology, this is just my wild guess - and a factor might be that my dad was an extremely dominant figure in my childhood, there'd be his way and no other, complaints were not accepted, he always knew everything better (he still tries to argue about physics with me - I'm getting my diploma in a few months), etc.

I wonder if anyone else recognizes themselves in this? Or their old self? Input, thoughts, advice would be welcome.
 

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My dad was the same way but I am a dominant male myself. It turned into rebelling. Don't blame it on your Dad.

Sounds like you have a self-esteem issue in that you don't feel worthy enough to speak up for yourself.

You aren't in a competition with anybody but yourself in the game of life. In class, you are competing with other students but only in that class and nothing outside of class. Life is not a competition against the world tupac.

"I'm doing very well at university, getting top grades, I speak three languages fluently, have traveled the world more, I have nothing to feel inferior about except that he seems to get through life with a lot less effort and thinking. And doing better with women."

Life is what you make it. It's not a competition for who can get more women, better women, who's travelled more, better grades....it's about what you make it.

I would watch the dominant thing with my boss. Don't overstep your boundaries.

"but with those whom I perceive as being more qualified or having more authority "

people you perceive as being better than you and you are inferior so you don't want to challenge them because they are going to win. Remember, nobody wins anything unless a competition is declared. Go out and win 100 arguments and tell me how you feel. Maybe great! But with no friends in the end...you lose that competition of who can get more friends because everybody hates you for arguing all the time.
 

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I wrote about this submissive trait in a few posts.

Basically it is a natural human action to become submissive with someone who is superior/more dominant. Everyone does but not everyone sees and realizes it like you.

Personally i think it is an evolutionary adaption to promote order and peace in society. Beta's are submissive to ensure everything doesnt turn to chaos.

And the reason you still cant speak up in front of him even though you know better about that topic, may have something to do with his general dominance and superior masculinity over you.
 

EastWind

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Let's Get Real said:
My dad was the same way but I am a dominant male myself. It turned into rebelling. Don't blame it on your Dad.
I wasn't blaming (although it may have sounded like I was), just saying how it was.

Let's Get Real said:
"I'm doing very well at university, getting top grades, I speak three languages fluently, have traveled the world more, I have nothing to feel inferior about except that he seems to get through life with a lot less effort and thinking. And doing better with women."

Life is what you make it. It's not a competition for who can get more women, better women, who's travelled more, better grades....it's about what you make it.
The thing is this: despite my abilities (which I realize now sounded like braggin' :/) I get the feeling it's all about something else, i.e. not about intelligence, but rather having a "devil may care" attitude.

As for the rest of your post, I see what you're saying, and I believe you're right... to some extent. It starts being a competition when someone else wants the same things I do.
 

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You have some confidence issues.

It's respectable to do good in college, but do realize that ff you get your degree with great points and you walk into a job interview you probably won't win it from the guy who has lesser points but great people skills and confidence.

It's all in the swagger and this is also true with women.

I suggest you pick up boxing or some martial arts, that'll help your confidence for sure. It worked very well for me. You'll become more centered and confident because you will find out you're capable of way more that you'd ever think.

I've won a dozen arguments just by dominating the sh*t out of the other guy, even when I didn't knew as much as him. You're probably coming up with the most clever comebacks and comments in your head after the argument's over. But then it doesn't matter anymore. It's fixable, I've been there too.
 

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I had issues with feeling and communicating from a submissive standpoint by:

- Starting workout (lifting weights, putting getting in shape)
- Starting doing material arts (just getting comfortable doing close-contact sports helped a lot).
- Removing "filler" words from vocabulary
- Voicing my opinion and sticking to it, even if it is wrong (calibration is key here, of course)
- Speaking louder and slower
 
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