I got rejected too many times yesterday, even though I wasn't actively approaching

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What gives? I feel I am at a stage of my DJing where I should be getting results. I'm no longer scared of approaches, I can hold an interesting conversation and stopped trying too hard. But then days like yesterday happen and I end up wondering what the f*ck I have to do to get to the next level.

The annoying thing about these rejections are they were all subtle and quick...I never got a chance to show my worth. I was casual, not actively pursuing. It was a busy day and I was always going from one place to the next.

let me give you the run-down. Yeah I know it's long but this day what i put up with today was unprecedented for me

1) Get the the bus stop, and I am the only one there. With 10 minutes left to wait, I see girl approaching in the distance...but she is barely a 4, I've seen her at that stop before. I decide a friendly chat can't hurt. As she approaches the seat, I look up at her face but she is doing everything possible to avoid eye contact and ignore my presence. She sits down on the seat SIDEWAYS with her back facing me! Ouch! fine b1tch! so we wait in silence.

2) I can't believe the next two....leaving the tram stop to head towards uni a nice looking blonde is the only other girl getting off. She knows I'm there because she looked in my direction to cross the street. Now there is a fence blocking the direct route to Uni so you have to go round it and diagonally through the park. Let me draw a picture: the vert and horizontal lines are the street and the Xs are the fence.

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We get to the corner of the fence and she is a few metres ahead of me, once I catch up I am going to open. She takes a few steps on the grass of the park and I naturally, follow. Then she changes course back on to the street and takes the long route down the street sidewalk while I continue down the quick way. Of course I get there WAY quicker than her. WTF is going on here?

3) On the way back home leaving Uni, I am texting on my phone and look like any normal person. An Asian girl is walking behind and we both start heading to the park, where I will once again take the diagonal route. I hear her take a few paces on the grass...then she too changes course and takes the long route round the street. The stupid b1tch then misses the tram.

Why did these woman not want to walk near me? I didn't smell. I didn't look threatening. Are they too stupid to understand Pythagoras? I am insulted.

4) rewinding now...I am heading towards the gym on campus and see a girl I knew from class heading toward me..she knows who I am. I gave up on her because an AFC kept repeatedly c0ckblocking when I spoke to her. She has a fixed nervous look and is obviously trying to avoid EC. As she passes I say, "Hey, *name*" It takes her a good 2 seconds to turn around and acknowledge my presence once we had already crossed. Awkwardly snubbed.

5) Leaving the gym, a cute girl is approaching me and we have some EC and....is that a hint of a smile??!. As she comes within earshot I say "Hi" but she turns her head in the other direction with a weird look on her face. Mixed frickin signals! All she had to do was return the favour! Still I remain walking with good posture and stride.

6) Get to the bus depot at the shopping centre and since it is quite late, the bus won't be coming for 15 mins. Me and a nice-looking girl are the only ones waiting but not a shred of acknowledgement from her as I sat down. Still, I turn to her and casually say, "Looks like we'll be waiting her awhile." She looks at her watch and says, "10 minutes." (pretty closed response I think). I say, "Pity I missed the train, I should be home now." She doesn't say anything and looks straight ahead. Holy hell another awkward bus waiting experience!

Barely 30 seconds later a friend comes by and we start talking and joking. Then another friend calls on the mobile and I set arrangements for our night out later. She hears everything and I notice her turn her head at once stage. Yeah social proof, b1tch! Now you probably want to talk to me

The next three happened at the punk show we went to. Sure there are a lot of punk girls and people are there for the music but there's no point not trying. I was having an absolute BLAST! Chatting with good friends about our favourite bands, hearing the amazingly talented back up band and jiving to the talents of the Mad Caddies. Easily the best show I'd been to this year, it went for 1.5 hours and they exceeded my expectations. While most other guys were jumping around like rythymless drunken bozos I was dancing ska style in more space toward the rear of the pit...I felt really in the groove! Women don't approach guys on the dancefloor at places like this.

7) I was dancing away and find myself alongside a cute punk girl with a piercing. In a break between songs, some dude got up from the crowd and mooned everyone. Not many cheers went up. I turned to her and said, "That was NOT cool!" She looks at me, then looks away again. I'm just loving the music though.

8) Toward the end I find myself alongside another cute girl and we are both dancing to a slower reggae style song. It seems she is making an extra effort to having body contact with me...she had room. The song is long, and after a while she stops and pulls out a phone. So I say into her ear, "Not getting bored, are ya?" She said something back to me but I could barely hear, I think it was, "I have a boyfriend." Couldn't have been certain though so I asked her to repeat. She shook her head and said nevermind. Arrrch! If only I could have been certain she said that, I could rip on her for answering a question I didn't ask.

9) The encore was going for ages..it was incredible. Usually bands play an extra 3 songs but this encore went for almost as long as the general show! I turned to a random girl next to me and said, "This is the longest encore ever!" Hell, I might have even said this to a guy I was that happy. She mumbled some acknowledgement and looked straight ahead with little joy showing on her face. Sh1t, I mean even if I wasn't trying to pick you up you should have a bit more enthusiasm than that! Didn't she like the band????

So yeah that was my day of rejection. I kept busy, didn't let it get to me and had the best night for a long time. This is a major tip that people keep emphasising here....just go about your business and go out to have fun and women will come by. And that is what I did, for nothing.

I don't look hideous, why am I being treated like a second class citizen?
 

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You are reading too much into these 'rejections'. Also, sounds like you are trying too hard.
 

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Seems like you might be trying TOO hard.

Cold approaches should just be a natural thing - if there's an awkward silence etc just don't sweat it. Don't go out of your way to cold approach, make it a natural part of how you act. I think the Bible has good stuff on this about learning to just chat and pass the time of day with everyone, not just hot chicks - old people for example are often lonely and love talking to polite strangers, it's a good way to practice and can be quite interesting to get the old 'diggers' talking about the war etc.

You can't force yourself on women, you just have to get adept at reading her signals, and if you don't get the right signals, just move on, don't push it, it will only make you more frustrated.

Don't forget most women, esp young women, usually tend to have very low self confidence and can be very nervous when out on their own, because they get warnings about rape etc all the time plus the only people to actually approach them are nutters/jerks.
 

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We all get days like this I'm sure. Some days I seem to get bombarded with compliments, catch women looking at me, make and hold eye contact, conversations etc and I feel great about myself. Then other days I can't even get a woman to look in my direction and, before I stopped taking it personally, I'd feel lousy and my confidence would drop because of it.

But don't let it get to you. These girls could have boyfriends, be too absorbed in what they're doing or could simply be shy...well, there's a whole lot of reasons why and none of them related to you.

Full respect for your effort, but I agree with the others that you might be trying too hard and appearing desperate.
 

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Barely 30 seconds later a friend comes by and we start talking and joking. Then another friend calls on the mobile and I set arrangements for our night out later. She hears everything and I notice her turn her head at once stage. Yeah social proof, b1tch! Now you probably want to talk to me
That there says it all.

When you aren't a drop dead gorgeous guy, you need to expect that hot women sometimes won't want to talk to you. I have a couple examples for you:

1) A girl I tried to talk to earlier this year was completely uninterested. One day I came in with some evidence on my body of a wild hook up. She's asked me about at least 10 times since then.

2)I was in the lab yesterday, and a hot girl sat down two computers away from me. I was talking to my friends, and she was joining in on the conversation because she knew these girls. She was definitely not looking at me, not talking to me, hardly acknowledging me. After I had my friends laughing for 10 straight minutes though, I noticed her glancing over at me and engaging me in conversation.

Does that help you figure this out? I'm not saying you're ugly or anything, and I'm not ugly, but I'm only above average.
 

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I agree social proof is excellent. Pity it's hard to show with cold approaches. Girls are so stupid though...when I see women by themselves I don't think they are social losers.

but guys I don't agree with you when you say I was trying too hard. That is farthest from the truth. I didn't get beyond two lines with any of these girls. I didn't fish for eye contact at the show and walk across the room to talk to anyone. I used situational openers and when I didn't get a good response I thought, "Fvck that" In the first three I didn't try at all! I sensed negative body language and wrote them off. Like I said, I was busy and going about my business.

Going to a mall and actively approaching girls with pre-prepared lines and attempting to eke out an awkward conversation is trying too hard...
 

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I dunno but I'd say you were expecting too much from a load of "cold approaches".

Girls are more receptive to "pick-ups" or at least conversation in some situations more than others...
Problem is you dwell on 9(!!!!) rejections in one day and seem hung up on them, remember them in detail when they are hardly what you'd call rejections at all. The girls didn't even know you were picking them up. But you were forcing yourself to try "something" and putting pressure on yourself to succeed.
Like at the concert, saying "That was NOT cool" only leaves her one thing to say like, "Yeah... huh", or nothing at all if she found it kinda amusing and you seem like a kill joy stressing "NOT cool".
Just an example... I'm by no means a temple of knowledge here.

I wouldn't call any of these rejections (like a girl not walking near you!?!), they're just people being people and most of these girls had no thoughts of picking up guys on their mind at the time. Don't dwell on these things, they're just the same as you putting on socks in the morning, you did it, forgot about it and that was it... same here, it happened, meant nothing, forget about it...
 

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Maybe you should wear clothes when you walk around outside?


Seriously, I don't it was YOUR problem, it was THEIR insecurity.
 

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Mad caddies? wow. I feel Shows are the best places to talk to cute punk girls. I know the last show I went to to see mxpx, i talked to four girls. Its so easy and they were friendly too.

I think you were just having a bad day.

Because I was on a bus one day, it was crowed. I mean just packed with people!
and this girl with a rancid shirt comes on next to me, side by side. I wasn't even attracted to her, but i felt, i should make convo anyways, since there was a rancid show in town that night, and i figuared, i shouldn't shy away. I turn to her and asked her if she was going to the rancid show----> She completely ignores me! I was like WTF?!?! but i just brushed it off. She was prolly a ***** anyways. This was on a bus packed with people too LOL. What doesn't kill me makes me stronger :\

When it rains it pours. good for you for trying, just stick with it, you will be more natural at it with good practice.

SuSHI.
 

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duke look on the bright side: at least you have a lot of confidence now and are losing your fear of rejection. You just had an unlucky day that's all. I think you should be glad you put in the effort to make that many attempts at cold approaches in one day.
 

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I don't think it's you doing something wrong Duke007....some chicks are just stuck up b1tches,some antisocial....don't worry about them. Plus 9 attempts for a day is not bad...props to you! I wouldn't even call any of them cold approaches...you didn't make it clear that you are picking them up.
How's internet dating going by the way?
 

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AFter the guy moons the crowd, you turn to the girl beside and say "What did you think of that ass? Would you hit it?"

with a :D

Or......."Nice ass! Would you hit it too?"
 

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I disagree with some of the DJ's here, I dont think you tried too hard with your approaches. You were basically trying to be friendly. Trying too much would mean that you kept initiating a conversation after the girl has shown that she's not interested in chatting. Some girls are just stuck up *****es and some girls are just shy.

Here are some examples: In high school my locker was right on top of the locker of this Latina. Sometimes I would take a long time unloading all my books into the locker and that would block her from accessing her locker. Well she normally looks frustrated and gives me a dirty look. "what a *****" I thought to myself. Then to my surprised she got hired at the same job where I worked at. There she told friends that she wanted to get with me, but I wasnt interested. Plus she didnt even know that we even went to the same high school. The whole workplace knew she had a crush on me. I was never interested in her and barely gave her any attention. I always remember her as the stuck up girl with the locker next mines. What Im saying is that when girls dont know you they will put up their ***** shield. When they get more comfortable with you thats when they lower that shield.

Another example: After I got with my ex in high school I asked her why she always tried to avoid sitting next to me in class. She said that she was shy and didnt know how to act around me. Well she was the one who later on ask my friend for my number. Eventhough she avoid sitting next to me she made an attempt to get with me by calling me. Some girls are just shy like that.

Example: At work there was this Hot latina that I wanted to get with. I never made any attempts because she had a boyfriend at that time. Well i guess she broked up with her bf of 3 years. one day she showed me a picture that she tooked at her prom. I asked who the guy was in the picture and she said that it was just a good friend. Next thing to my surprised she said that she wanted to ask me to the prom, but couldnt gather the courage to. This girl was hot, all the guys at work wanted to get with her. I was surprised because I didnt talk to her as much as other guys at work and we didnt even go to the same school. this same girl even made me sign her year book and gave me pictures of her. Well eventually we hooked up. it took a long time because I was such a AFC back then. Even hot girls are shy, especially with people that they are interested in but are not sure the other person is interested in them.

Everyone goes through days like this. It happens to the best of us. Sometimes I get all kinds of compliments. Couple of weeks ago I was at a bank making a deposit. The female clerk then started a conversation with me. She started by asking about my eyebrow piercing. To end the conversation she said that I was very handsome. I said "thank You" after I turn to leave she said to her co workers "that guy is very handsome" that sure boosted up my confidence. Just yesterday I was walking out of class and this lady walking the opposite direction turn to me and said "I like it, all of it." again I just said thank you. It feels good to get compliments from strangers because they are more sincere about it. Then there are other times that I feel that everyone has someting agianst me. Dont think too much of it Duke, these girls are just stuck up or shy. Hey it would have been funny if that punk girl really did say that she had a bf...I would have clowned on her if she said that and laughed in her face. Stuck up girls think that every guy is trying to get with them. Most of these girls are ugly.
 

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Maybe they wanted to sex you and not befriend you. I know some girls who liked me in a sexual way scorned at me when I tried to talk to them on a friendly note. Of course, I didn't know that at the time. Was back in my AFC days. When first talking to a girl don't give opinions. Instead ask them open ended questions, usually about them, or the environment or whatever. Like that guy that mooned everyone. Don't say "that WASNT cool." If she tought it was exciting or whatever she wouldn't acknowledge you. Instead you could've asked he what she tought of that act or whatever. So long as you're not stating opinions unless you really don't care if she'll talk back or not.

Looks like we'll be waiting her awhile."
Stating the obvious on an opener is pretty boring. Like, hell, you really think so? We'll be waiting here a while? Damn, I didn't know that.

Can't blame her. It's pretty AFC if you ask me. All you needed is a "Hi"... Hi how is it goin....etc...

She looks at her watch and says, "10 minutes."
Damn, you got more than you should've expected. Be happy!

I say, "Pity I missed the train, I should be home now"
The hell? What's this...who cares if you missed the train... and if that's how you said it, it doesn't sound very positive... I should be home now?

Dude, be happy that you got those responses. Next time just say "hi" and take it from there. I think the bootcamp thread is right on on this one...
 

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Originally posted by duke007

but guys I don't agree with you when you say I was trying too hard. That is farthest from the truth. I didn't get beyond two lines with any of these girls. I didn't fish for eye contact at the show and walk across the room to talk to anyone. I used situational openers and when I didn't get a good response I thought, "Fvck that" In the first three I didn't try at all! I sensed negative body language and wrote them off. Like I said, I was busy and going about my business.

Going to a mall and actively approaching girls with pre-prepared lines and attempting to eke out an awkward conversation is trying too hard...
I mean, you are trying too hard in the sense that you are putting WAY too much effort into (whatever your exact goal is. ie; gf or sex) from just random girls that you didn't even always get the signals from... In other words, you should be a little easier on yourself, and just learn to enjoy conversations with other human beings.

Also, What you are calling rejections, I would rather call it not getting the signals, and there are thousands of reasons why girls aren't going to wanna chat up some guy. Don't take it so much to heart. For me a rejection is only when the girl is harsh about it, which is surprisingly rare (if you are able to approach with class). I also consider when a girl says, 'No, I have a bf' more meaningful if its said 'Yes, but I have a bf' that feels less harsh if you think about it.

I would watch out for premade lines, and openers, most are garbage, a simple 'hello' will do.

Anyway, It's not the effort that you put that is trying to hard, but you are trying to hard to get results that are, for the moment, beyond your ability. Everyone has their days.
 

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I wouldn't worry about it, keep going at this rate and you'll have over 2000 incidents to 'catalogue' on this site this year:). Of those I'll bet my bottom dollar they won't all be rejections. Just keep updating your game till you get a bit of success, and then stick to that.

I remember reading somewhere that Michael Jordan has missed thousands of 3 pointers in his life, but he kept going, and that was the important thing. You were just unlucky today, maybe tommorow things will go in your favour, as they say, keep at it.
 

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NO OFFENCE INTENDED.
I have seen pics of you and you arnt a great looking guy. Now put ureself in a chicks shoes with some guy not good looking, following you, you would freak out. I think it had a lot to do with ure looks, (first impression).. So try to get to know these people with friends not cold approaches since ure not great looking.
 

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Originally posted by jiza101
NO OFFENCE INTENDED.
I have seen pics of you and you arnt a great looking guy. Now put ureself in a chicks shoes with some guy not good looking, following you, you would freak out. I think it had a lot to do with ure looks, (first impression).. So try to get to know these people with friends not cold approaches since ure not great looking.
Haha, not very constructive advice here...It doesn't matter what he looks like, you don't know the types he's going after either...

Duke - I think you have two issues, stemming from the same source...First, you take things too personally....Secondly, you see these approaches as 'failures' and you're wondering how to get to the 'next level' - The next level is one of perspective, you don't take things to heart, you are friendly and open, and you don't worry or overanalyze why everything is going on and what it has to mean...

When you get to that level, you are going to have more openings, more closings, more rejections, it turns into the numbers game it really is...Accept it and move forward...
 

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You were trying too hard, and prolly didnt notice. I'll explain.

You were walking in the park-college path, and you were noticing the girls who were going through there too. You saw them going near you, and then going by the long path. Why? Cause if you noticed them going the long path, they noticed you too noticing where they were going, and were disturbed.

Sometimes i do this myself, i mean, im not really thinking about girls at all (well, i notice them all the time but..), and i go walking and some girl or guy is next to me, going at the same speed. We tend to speed up or slow so that we go alone.
 

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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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