I feel like ranting!

[ChrizZ]

hi guys,

I'll try to keep this as short as possible...

I joined this site a year ago and read everything about seduction. I put all that in action about two months ago and I lost my AA. The problem is I couldn't get laid even if my life depended on it.

I'm good looking. Does that get me laid? NO

I'm naturally C&F. Does that get me laid? NO

I'm fun to be around and I consider myself a cool guy. Does that get me laid? NO

I'm sexual around girls. Does that get me laid? NO

I use kino. Does that get me laid? NO

I use routines. Does that get me laid? NO

I dress well. Does that get me laid? NO

I can open any set. Does that get me laid? NO

I tried not to focus on women for a while. Does that get me laid? NO

It seems like a curse. Most of the time the chicks that I'm not attracted to like me, but the ones I'm attracted to don't care for me. I don't know what to do? Don't get me wrong here. I don't wanna give up. All that failure makes me want it even more. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong. It seems like everyone around me is getting laid with hot chicks except for me, even though I believe I know more about women than they do.

any ideas?

ps: I'm not gonna get me a hooker!

 

[Phyzzle]

I'm not gonna get me a hooker!

There goes my idea.

But seriously, when do you hit problems? Do you get #'s, and they don't answer? Do you make out with girls, then they get uncomfortable?

 

[ChrizZ]

There goes my idea.

But seriously, when do you hit problems? Do you get #'s, and they don't answer? Do you make out with girls, then they get uncomfortable?

I can have a good conversation with girls, but I can't get them attracted to me. That's my problem.

 

[ChrizZ]

Okay, I'll be honest. Here is the real reason I started this thread. I'm really pissed right now... at myself!

I just came back from clubbing. I went clubbing alone, but I met some chicks at the bus station. Got some IOIs, but wasn't attracted to them. After that I walked in the club with them and we split up cuz I met some friends there. After that I approached a 4 set which was sitting somewhere.
Here is what happened exactly.

Me: "Hey, u guys need to help me out. You're not gonna believe what happened to me" / used routine then...

After that the chicks asked me where I was from. Two of the four chicks didn't join the conversation at all. One chick was from Germany just like me. I talked to them for a while, but they didn't give me any IoIs and I think they were just being polite. I ejected after a while. A lil later I started dancing with some russian attention wh0res. Grabbed their a$$es etc. although they weren't really attracted to me I believe. They were just attention wh0ring and I wasn't really attracted to them although that one chick grabbed my crotch. They were easy party wh0res.

After a while they started to turn me down on the dancefloor, so I was all alone on the dancefloor and felt like an idiot, so I started dancing with some other chicks, a four set. One was from Italy. She didn't give me any IOI's but she didn't push me away either when I acted sexual.

Soon after that I saw a hot spanish chick that I #closed four days ago. I sayed hi and asked her to dance. She replied "I'm sorry, I gotta wait for my friends." and I replied "That's really cute, but I don't have time for this bullsh!t". I offered her a dance again, but she gave me the same answer. After that her friends came and here comes the part where I could kick myself in the balls. You know what I did? I FVCKING WALKED OUT OF THE CLUB instead of opening the set. I don't know why I just left, prolly because I felt a lil depressed because noone wanted to talk to me.

I think I found my problem. I don't close.

 

[sam3083]

You mentioned that the chicks you aren't attracted to, end up liking you, and the chicks you like dont like you back. I have the same problem, and I think its because we treat the women we arent attracted, how we should be treating the women we are attracted to.

E.g.; not giving them attention, making them work for attention, treating them like little bratty sisters, etc...

 

[War Against Betaism]

Here's how you deal with it; the chicks you're attracted to, picture as if they were the chicks you weren't attracted to. Talk to them as if you were talking to your little sister, assuming that you're a bossy older brother. Most men don't perform like DJ's when they see a woman "they're attracted to" because no matter what, you'll be hard pressed to apply all that you've learnt with that mindset. Instead of referring it to as a woman that you're attracted to, refer it to as a women that you find interesting enough to get to know. I'm not saying picture all the hot girls as if they were Rosie O'donnell--although it might help, you probably wouldn't want to have sex afterwards--just think of them as several notches below your status.

 

[ChrizZ]

Here's how you deal with it; the chicks you're attracted to, picture as if they were the chicks you weren't attracted to. Talk to them as if you were talking to your little sister, assuming that you're a bossy older brother. Most men don't perform like DJ's when they see a woman "they're attracted to" because no matter what, you'll be hard pressed to apply all that you've learnt with that mindset. Instead of referring it to as a woman that you're attracted to, refer it to as a women that you find interesting enough to get to know. I'm not saying picture all the hot girls as if they were Rosie O'donnell--although it might help, you probably wouldn't want to have sex afterwards--just think of them as several notches below your status.

the problem is the only girls I'm really attracted to is the hottest chicks in the club with a b!tch shield on max. The ones that think they're Paris Hilton and wear those biga$$ sunglasses and carry purses with Chiwawas in it...

 

[I.A.F.Y.B.]

Do you act mature?

 

[ChrizZ]

Do you act mature?

To be honest. I got a lot of stuff to improve, but the good thing is I know what I have to improve.
Things I need to improve.

- Talk slower
- find interesting things to talk about after the opener
- don't eject myself
- BL
- don't show too much interest in her

I will go sarging later and post some FRs.

 

[I.A.F.Y.B.]

To be honest. I got a lot of stuff to improve, but the good thing is I know what I have to improve.
Things I need to improve.

- find interesting things to talk about after the opener

This could be one of them. Is what your saying creating IL in her?

 

[Yapper]

the problem is the only girls I'm really attracted to is the hottest chicks in the club with a b!tch shield on max. The ones that think they're Paris Hilton and wear those biga$$ sunglasses and carry purses with Chiwawas in it...

sounds like a pretty narrow spectrum.
i know you can't force yourself to be attracted to girls but maybe your difficulties are because you're setting your sights too high.

 

[Boschy]

Dude, chillax. Like most of us here, you want to improve your game. That's good. You have analysed your skills to date, and that's good too. You examine what goes wrong and recognise mistakes (not opening set), and that's good.

Keep working at it. Read more, discuss, practice. One thing I'll say is that you seem to get upset and emotional when things don't work. This will end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy...let mistakes go; don't turn them into emotional wounds that never heal.

 

[DJVladdy]

Im no expert nor do i claim to be one...
That being said, i dont have to be a meteorologist to know better than to
p!ss against the wind.

I see a lot of thigs right and a few things wrong.

1.

Ill quote u on this one, ready?
"could'n get laid if my life depended on it"
"curse"
"failure"
"give up"
about 20 times each uve mentioned negatives like "no" and "dont"

...WAAAY too much megativity that u are feeding ur own mind with. Let it go, man!

2.
Let me bull**** a little and tell u im a psychic... i see things

-u lack assertiveness with women at the moment
-u dont escalade
... Thats pertty much it lol

this is what i do from time to time: put yourself into a womans shoes: does this guy (YOU) make it clear what he wants from me? Does he think its a GOOD thing? is he going to LEAD me to it?

3.
You mentioned more than once girls you are "not interested" in... wtf? if a MAN WANTS TO GET LAID he will get laid with whats available buddy. Enough said. Those Paris Hilton wannabe's are NOT CHOOSING most of the time. So dont even worry about them. Go for who is choosing. and shove ur "no interest" up ur ass please. Female and under 300lbs? good enough to begin with

 

[danielzxc]

Do speak english with a german accent?

If you do, that can potentially be a big obstacle to overcome. Not so much in the sense that it's a "turn off", rather it tells someone straight away that you're "not from around here". That kind of makes people take you a little bit less seriously in a "night life context". I mean, people might be interested in you and "so what are you doing here?" in other contexts, but at night, when everyone's out to impress the opposite sex, they've got less time for that. Sure, they're still polite, but you're seen as an "outsider". For you, that means you've got to "prove" you belong there and that you mean business.

How you "prove" yourself is antoher thing... but I don't even know if you actually do speak with an accent yet so I'll stop here.


Besides that, yeah, I'm a bit like that too -- I get moody and cranky when things "just aren't working out right". Thing is, usually, when I look back honestly, it's cos I was expecting the girl to act a certain way, to do her own bit in moving things forward, and when she didn't, I'd get pyssed. Of course, the fact is it's always up to the guy to escalate things. It's not enough to feel that "I did enough...and she should have also done [x]/[y]/[z] if she really wanted me..." -- no, it's up to us to go for what we want; it's up to her to either accept it or reject it, but we must advance things.

 

[ChrizZ]

Do speak english with a german accent?

If you do, that can potentially be a big obstacle to overcome. Not so much in the sense that it's a "turn off", rather it tells someone straight away that you're "not from around here". That kind of makes people take you a little bit less seriously in a "night life context". I mean, people might be interested in you and "so what are you doing here?" in other contexts, but at night, when everyone's out to impress the opposite sex, they've got less time for that. Sure, they're still polite, but you're seen as an "outsider". For you, that means you've got to "prove" you belong there and that you mean business.

How you "prove" yourself is antoher thing... but I don't even know if you actually do speak with an accent yet so I'll stop here.


Besides that, yeah, I'm a bit like that too -- I get moody and cranky when things "just aren't working out right". Thing is, usually, when I look back honestly, it's cos I was expecting the girl to act a certain way, to do her own bit in moving things forward, and when she didn't, I'd get pyssed. Of course, the fact is it's always up to the guy to escalate things. It's not enough to feel that "I did enough...and she should have also done [x]/[y]/[z] if she really wanted me..." -- no, it's up to us to go for what we want; it's up to her to either accept it or reject it, but we must advance things.

Well, the club I went to consisted pretty much only of international students, so I fit right in. Also, my accent isn't really thick cuz I already spent one year in the US.