I feel like knowing too much about "Game" is killing my enjoyment of dating.

[BlackEricNorthman]

Whatup DJs.

I still don't remember how I found this board a few months ago, but I really like that this site it focuses on the next step in being a modern man. Going past "game" and all that PUA sh!t I've studied for years, and helps you realize there is more to life than getting azz. I was still reeling from a relationship with an ugly ending when I found this site, and didn't want to get into another LTR and slipping into focusing on the girl again. Things are getting better now for me mentally and financially and SoSauve helped a bit so thanks.

My thing now is even though I'm starting to be successful with women again I'm at the point where my interest is dying in gaming women. It's feeling like a routine for the first time in my life and I'm starting to feel jaded and negative towards women. I thought this was residual anger from my last LTR, but I feel I've come to terms with how that ended. I almost feel like I know too much about where a woman's head is at after talking to them for several minutes and the process of escalating seems mundane. Even typing that last sentence feels ridiculous because every woman is unique in a way but game just seems trivial now.

Maybe I'm one of those guys that has to constantly challenge themselves. I feel kind of in limbo wondering "what's next", but can't for the life of me figure out which direction to head in.

 

[Slickster]

This exact same realization plays itself out over and over on these forums.

When I was a new member almost a decade ago I had written a thread titled "I hate women!" (Or something like that). A moment of frustration I guess.

One of the responses from I received from a veteran member was along the lines of, "Women are fickle, moody, manipulative, insecure, and untrustworthy creatures. Love them anyway."

It is something I've always remembered.

The more you learn about anything the more you will see things as they truly are. The truth is not always pleasant but knowing what you know now, would you want to go back?

Don't hate on women or the game. Use what you've learned to make your life better. There are so many blind men out there stuck without a clue.

 

[The Gambler]

Don't hate on women or the game. Use what you've learned to make your life better. There are so many blind men out there stuck without a clue.

^^^^ This ^^^^

I'm guessing you're in your late 20s or early 30s.... I consider that the "golden era" when it comes to meeting women. Many women in that age range have had plenty of time to snap out of the entitlement mindset and see how the world really works. At the age of 18 or 22, most women still believe they are going to win the "man lottery".... you know, find a guy who is rich, looks like a 10, and beats up bad guys by day, but is a romantic, caring lover by evening. Typical horse sh*t.

Granted, some women will never get a clue, at any age. But right about now you'll start meeting quite a few ladies that do have one. The key at this point is to weed out the women who are fatally damaged because of their previous choices. Experience can be positive or negative, depending on the person.

Hang in there, brotha!

The Gambler

 

[muscleman]

What you're going through is a natural stage of disenchantment (being 'jaded'). You'll get over it. For now though, take a step back from women and focus on yourself. You're probably devoting too much time to the pvssy hunt. You'll get the enjoyment back once you have a higher purpose for yourself.

 

[Burroughs]

Women in 2012 are arrogant, loathsome, steaming pieces of Sh!t

But they also possess mouths, puzzies, azzholes that I like to fvck

So game is used

In all relations with women, men must never forget Briffault's Law.


BRIFFAULT’S LAW:

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

1. Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

2. Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

3. A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (ha)

 

[backbreaker]

This is human nature.

for instance, I grew up a very religious southern baptist. once i started to question my belief in god, just question, i dramatically swung the exact opposite way and became a militant atheist

however in time i have come back towards the center.. i never really was an atheist, though i'm not a Christan either.

that's what you are doing. you went from loving women and adoring them to hating them. but stick around and do what you are supposed to do you will neither love nor hate them. you will be at a perfect balance.. appreciate them for what they are but understand what they are not.

 

[nismo-4]

It's amazing to know how much work a man has to do to get a woman. Not even for sex. I'm talking about for basic companionship!

I stopped believing in true love since I moved to Atlanta. That was the best thing I've ever done, as it was a major eye opener. Sh*t, I get jaded too and don't talk to women unless they're business or my family. But I still want to have a woman in my life.

Of course, these days, entitlement issues are through the roof.

 

[BlackEricNorthman]

Thanks guys. I was hanging with some friends on a Guys night (at a strip club, and one of the clubs I don't like coincidentally) and me and my best friend had a similar conversation. He's around my age (almost 30) and I told him about how trying to drill every girl I meet just feels kind of hollow. Surprisingly he feels the same way and he's a natural who just seems to get women to gravitate to him with little effort. He'll just pass up on easy lays and ONS because he has other focuses in his life that don't involve women and keep him satisfied.

Slickster that quote is interesting and makes me think of one of my favorite TV characters Hank Moody from Californication. What always intrigued me about his personality wasn't the fact he was consistently swimming in pusse, but the fact that he is 40 and doesn't take the absurd surface level vanity of living in LA seriously. He cares about his writing, his baby mama, daughter, and best friend. He never "Sarges" or goes about pursuing women, he's just entertaining himself. Women are equal parts frustrating, and aggravating, but also one of the greatest things about being a straight male.

Wassup Nismo-4 I'm in The A too!

Thinking about it now I just need to shift some other priorities around. I'm gonna go look at a few larger colleges for classes next year, and start making music again. I enjoy sex WAAY too much to go celibate, and I don't think I could ever hate women because I've known some truly awesome girls in my life that overshadow the wretched ones. Compared to where I was in my head a year ago and how clueless and depressed I was years before that, I'd take the red pill all over again.

 

[Colossus]

You are going to have these moments. I still do. But like PairPlusRoyalFlush said, you will still find yourself inexplicably attracted to some women, no matter how jaded you are.

Learning game, which is more or less a synonym for female psychology, is demystifying. It takes some of the magic out of women when you learn they are all largely self-motivated, insecure, and needy in their own way when it comes to men. That doesn't make them bad people per se....it just is what it is, to use a cliche.

I think it can be unhealthy to spend too much time here, or elsewhere in the man-o-sphere. Game knowledge is a good thing, but too much immersion just sets the stage for a really negative perspective. Keep that in mind.

 

[Solomon]

What you're going through is a natural stage of disenchantment (being 'jaded'). You'll get over it. For now though, take a step back from women and focus on yourself. You're probably devoting too much time to the pvssy hunt. You'll get the enjoyment back once you have a higher purpose for yourself.

^^THis

It's amazing to know how much work a man has to do to get a woman. Not even for sex. I'm talking about for basic companionship!

I stopped believing in true love since I moved to Atlanta. That was the best thing I've ever done, as it was a major eye opener. Sh*t, I get jaded too and don't talk to women unless they're business or my family. But I still want to have a woman in my life.

Of course, these days, entitlement issues are through the roof.

^^I know I always give you shyt nismo but that post by you is truly depressing, if I didn't talk to women anymore I guess I would be gay too

 

[Who Dares Win]

I never had the "hate phase" but I recall since my childhood I considered women as less intelligent less honorable men...some kind of men with less qualities so despite treating them with natural disprespect I never hate them.

Since I was a kid I realized how girls were incapable of any activity the same way as guys while being completely unable and unwilling to apologize or acknowledge their deficiencies, if the fat kid cannot jump a gate he says sorry and leave, if a girl cant jump the gate she starts screaming till the parents call us back and force us to do something which she can do....and the annoing thing is that you dont see shame in her eyes after that but you see pride and satisfaction...the same pride and satisfaction which she feels when she strikes you right before going to the teacher when you chase her to retaliate.

Sometime I read burrought's posts and I somehow I can relate despite being them very harsh on women.
Sure there are great women no doubt about it, but as a rule they sucks in most of the cases apart the sex/dating reasons.

Would you hate a10 yrs old kid who steal candies from the fridge and when asked where he hyde them would lie? no you would simply put the candies in highter part of the fridge to avoid him taking again while ignoring all his requests.

When I came to this forum and learned about game I realized those concept were totally true and just made me happy to know that I wasnt alone.

 

[Burroughs]

Since I was a kid I realized how girls were incapable of any activity the same way as guys while being completely unable and unwilling to apologize or acknowledge their deficiencies, if the fat kid cannot jump a gate he says sorry and leave, if a girl cant jump the gate she starts screaming till the parents call us back and force us to do something which she can do.....

If a fat girl can't jump the gate...she blames the gate :crazy:

Then fvcks the gate

Gets pregnant by the gate. :cheer:

Then sues the gate in court :crackup: :crackup:

 

[betheman]

I was never the most tolerant person regarding women and their behaviour, at the first sign of sh!tty behaviour Id be seen walking in the opposite direction, then because I just saw it as sh1tty behaviour that I couldnt deal with, now I see the games, attempted mind fccuking, emotional bargaining/shaming. I attempt to engage to test out my own game and to re affirm a lot of the theories learned from sites such as this. Im even less tolerant now and my interest in a woman can be lost almost on the utterance of a phrase or even a word and Im gone.

edit: Solomon, no I do not bat for the other side, sorry to dissapoint you, I sense you are interested!

you ask for solutions, even if we had the solutions you wanted, would you be better off? this site and the advice can only provide a basic route map and some tools, the solutions you want only you can find or any individual for that matter

 

[Solomon]

I was never the most tolerant person regarding women and their behaviour, at the first sign of sh!tty behaviour Id be seen walking in the opposite direction, then because I just saw it as sh1tty behaviour that I couldnt deal with, now I see the games, attempted mind fccuking, emotional bargaining/shaming. I attempt to engage to test out my own game and to re affirm a lot of the theories learned from sites such as this. Im even less tolerant now and my interest in a woman can be lost almost on the utterance of a phrase or even a word and Im gone.

so are you batting for the other team now?

:nervous:

Edit: Half addict,

This mentality is the reason why this board is suffering right now, a bunch of guys crying but not stating any solutions. I just made another thread like this but I'm asking for solutions guess what? no one response no one replies, but make a thread lke this for crying and venting and no doubt guys like you come here crying about not wanting to talk to women, sorry but that doesnt sound like a man to me but like a bytch, bytching, seriosuly. I get it women are scandolus and trifling but this crying that's being done in this thread is not "manly" at all so yeah if Im shamming then so be it, but serisuly read those words in these post out loud and say them to anotehr man and yeah bro it does sound very very gay

You guys are suppose to be alpha right? when I see real alpha males in the real world, I dont see them crying about women or even having discussions like this, trust me I have tried and they laugh like I'm talking crazy because they don't relate to this crap that's being spewed here and if they do they shrug it off cause they know it's nothing and guys wonder why I don't post for 6 months a time on this forum

 

[HalfAddict]

so are you batting for the other team now?

:nervous:

Implying he is gay because he does not want to deal with bull**** is the exact same thing a bratty entitled woman would say when she gets rejected... I just wanted to point that out.

betheman I can relate, I pretty much don't even give em the time of day anymore, got better **** to do than jump through ridiculous hoops to get some tang, however this does not mean I want to **** dudes.

 

[BlackEricNorthman]

so are you batting for the other team now?

:nervous:

Edit: Half addict,

This mentality is the reason why this board is suffering right now, a bunch of guys crying but not stating any solutions. I just made another thread like this but I'm asking for solutions guess what? no one response no one replies, but make a thread lke this for crying and venting and no doubt guys like you come here crying about not wanting to talk to women, sorry but that doesnt sound like a man to me but like a bytch, bytching, seriosuly. I get it women are scandolus and trifling but this crying that's being done in this thread is not "manly" at all so yeah if Im shamming then so be it, but serisuly read those words in these post out loud and say them to anotehr man and yeah bro it does sound very very gay

You guys are suppose to be alpha right? when I see real alpha males in the real world, I dont see them crying about women or even having discussions like this, trust me I have tried and they laugh like I'm talking crazy because they don't relate to this crap that's being spewed here and if they do they shrug it off cause they know it's nothing and guys wonder why I don't post for 6 months a time on this forum

Nothing wrong with a little venting now and again. I'm not concerned with appearing Alpha or another man's opinion of whatever they think manly is. I just aim for being happy, some imaginary masculine scale be damned.

 

[BeDJ]

Get used to it, any f*cker can google "how to get women" and apply the game. You aren't a special snowflake, however, there is a DEEPER understanding of the game. The total mechanics behind it, that is what 99% of these guys don't comprehend. Indifference, unavailability, competition anxiety...it's the psychology behind the female imperative. Anyone can spit out PUA gimmicks, and women are VERY MUCH AWARE OF IT. They have heard it before, again, you are not a special snowflake.

Many members on these boards advocate on understanding the female imperative and acting upon your own accord. You will fail, but experience will teach you. No amount of PUA bs can teach you that. With every failure you have, you learn what not to do. It sucks, but it is the only sure fire way to make yourself better.

 

[HalfAddict]

so are you batting for the other team now?

:nervous:

Edit: Half addict,

This mentality is the reason why this board is suffering right now, a bunch of guys crying but not stating any solutions. I just made another thread like this but I'm asking for solutions guess what? no one response no one replies, but make a thread lke this for crying and venting and no doubt guys like you come here crying about not wanting to talk to women, sorry but that doesnt sound like a man to me but like a bytch, bytching, seriosuly. I get it women are scandolus and trifling but this crying that's being done in this thread is not "manly" at all so yeah if Im shamming then so be it, but serisuly read those words in these post out loud and say them to anotehr man and yeah bro it does sound very very gay

You guys are suppose to be alpha right? when I see real alpha males in the real world, I dont see them crying about women or even having discussions like this, trust me I have tried and they laugh like I'm talking crazy because they don't relate to this crap that's being spewed here and if they do they shrug it off cause they know it's nothing and guys wonder why I don't post for 6 months a time on this forum

If you have ever seen me respond to any thread which touts alpha this alpha that you know I am not of that mentality and I think it's ****ing stupid...in fact you repped me once because I was ****ting on the stupid alpha mentality when referred to as a source of advice.

This is a place where certain dudes can say this and have others relate to them, fact of the matter is men here don't think like men out there. Even an "alpha" who regularly attends and reads this board among other material is in a whole different place than an "alpha" who does not.

I am not crying and I do talk to women, does not mean I am not a bit jaded. I have 2 plates going now and a third on the way, which let me tell you is a far cry from the fellow who made his first post in 2005 over some chick he cannot even remember now. I'm not trying to be a stroke here, but I think you need to see that I do have at least a rudimentary understanding of women and game, I won't be winning any pimp of the year awards but I am not a ****ing retard crybaby.

To remedy this board, we first must acknowledge that yes the current state of women and the game are less than ideal and yes some dudes are going to whine about it however this mentality can be reversed. But it cannot be reversed if you treat these men exactly as women of society treat these men when they express a worry of something that seems trivial to you.

While I am on the subject, this jaded mentality can actually be a boon to men, I know it has been said over and over but withdrawing attention from these girls is exactly what makes them crave your attention even more. I have made it a point to not even gaze at them or attempt to engage them in conversation and I now receive more attention than I ever did.

Case in point Friday night I was at the local watering hole and a girl was there whom I had been previously trying to approach to no avail, so this time I figure I just won't even look at her let alone talk to her. Lo and behold there she is "accidentally" rubbing into me, dancing right behind me repeatedly and trying to garner my attention. So let me say that there is something to be said about this mentality, remove the bitterness and it can become a tool, recognizing how and when to use it however will only come with time and failure.