I don't think I will ever "let a woman in"... Or trust

[BeExcellent]

Y'all are making this too complicated.

Take a page from Ronald Reagan's playbook: Trust but verify.

Translation: Extend trust but continuously evaluate whether trust is still warranted based upon behavior.

Adjust accordingly.

 

[C00lAF]

I do it from abundance

Bingo

 

[wifehunter]

Y'all are making this too complicated.

Take a page from Ronald Reagan's playbook: Trust but verify.

Translation: Extend trust but continuously evaluate whether trust is still warranted based upon behavior.

Adjust accordingly.

Couldn't of said it better, myself!!!

I'm constantly reevaluating relationships (platonic, and romantic), as a result of being burned too many times.

 

[TheFixer14]

The point is about being natural.

I daygame. I have an eye that most men never will.

I do laps of a town centre. I approached today. There were more attractive women than I have the energy to game.

Each lap, at least 5 women that had my interest. One lap takes 25 minutes.

Women can't fvck around like a man can. I keep saying it.

Women need more of a connection. Men don't need that sh*t.

If you are genuilnly spinning plates, then feel free to do whatever the hell you want. Be as honest as you want. Just make sure that you keep approaching.

One thing that I have done with plates this last year is to break the fourth wall. That is to speak with her about game, dating 'rules', and whatnot.

I enjoy that stuff. I like blurring the lines. I do it from abundance.

You can act however you want from a plate spinning frame, because it is natural. You be "open to your feelings" from a woman's frame, and you will do it one at a time, from a dinner date, and be lucky to get a kiss at the end

That sounds like a lot of time and effort that could be focused on something that is actually worth it.

 

[wifehunter]

That sounds like a lot of time and effort that could be focused on something that is actually worth it.

Sounds like somebody needs some alone time.

 

[TheFixer14]

Smartarse.

I have been a manager for a major international company. I have been a black belt in Judo. I have been a grade 6 in classical guitar.

I have never had the self-improvement, self-awareness, and value from anything like the straight, direct, cold approach.

Keep avoiding it, and rationalizing your fears.

I was a straight up pick up artist for three years and I will do a cold approach if a woman really catches my eye (I was dating a girl off of one recently).

But it is a waste of time. Cold Approach is the worst way to get a woman. You have to chase in most situation when you cold approach. That takes that aspect away from women, denying them the chance to chase you. And you are a complete stranger putting you at a great disadvantage.

What cold approach does is lead to flaky numbers, women who flake on dates, or you dating women who you hardly know anything about and **** you up.

 

[TheFixer14]

Pfft.

Cold approach is the best way to get women.

I submit:

• No need for social circle game.
• No comebacks on a plate when you dump her
• The general understanding that comes from immediate value
• The freedom of not being locked in to nightgame (or any) routines
• The ability to game girls that wouldn't give you a second look on the interwebz

You cold approached where, how, and in what way?

"You have to chase" LMAO. You have to act like a man, more like.

1. It's a hell of a lot easier to get laid through a social circle than it is through cold approach. Now I'm more naturally a lone wolf. But when you meet a woman and have some value already established due to being friends with her girlfriend, or her girlfriend's boyfriend's friend, and etc, you don't have do things that you must when you cold approach.

2. I guess that is true.

3. I guess so. But this isn't the best way to do that.

4. True.

5. You don't need cold approach for that. I live in L.A so maybe there are just more hot women around here. But there are hot women everywhere. Everyone is bound to be friends with someone who is associated with a hot woman.

Like I said, I was a pick up artist for three years. I started mostly doing day game. Then I started going into bars and clubs. I also gamed on my college campus. Towards the end it mostly bars and clubs.

At first I had lines and dated a woman off of that pretty quickly. Then I went into natural game. My game kinda shifted all the time trying to find a way that worked the best for me. Sometimes I was a very fun loving guy, sometimes I was more cool and slick, sometimes I was just emotional. But then I stopped caring about women.

Flakes?

It happens. So what?

Ask the online dating guys, and social circle guys, if flakes don't happen.

I weigh up the costs adequately. Cold-approach is the best way, by far.

I value my time and I hate dealing with flakes. In the industry that I am in (entertainment) I deal with enough flaky women as it is.

Funny enough, the few times I decided to date a girl that I met from online they didn't flake.

Let's be honest, unless you are a celebrity, cold approach won't get you a lot of women. And even then, when Leonardo DiCaprio approaches a woman it's only a cold approach for him. The woman already is wet over him after watching Titanic for the 50th time.

I believe the best way to consistently have women in your life without having to work hard is a social circle. I'm not there yet myself. But I see the value in it outside of getting laid which makes an infinitely better option.

 

[Comp eliminator]

You are a wise man on the right track.

"Opening up" is just another way to live on a woman's terms by a woman's rules. Men are bullied into going against their own nature and desires.

One reason the idea of being "macho" is somewhat harmful to men is because it dismisses the idea that women have any power. Basically, if a woman f*cks up your life.. it just means you're a weak man. But in reality.. knowledge is power. If you give people the tools to destroy you.. they might very well use them one day. But if you tell men they should give women such tools because women are "harmless". Well.. that's a successful con job isn't it?

There is no benefit to giving women the power to destroy you. Unlike male friends.. women are often adversarial in relationships. Their "support" has a motive beyond just thinking your an awesome guy like your buddies do. They want to make sure they have the strongest and fittest man. But they also want the security that comes from dominating you emotionally because it allows them to fully exploit you AND to keep the relationship mostly on their terms.

As a man.. once you reach a point where you CAN'T walk away you have lost. You should never be afraid to tell a woman to "get lost". Knowing you have that power is what gives MEN security in relationships. Once you start thinking that "losing a woman" will cause you significant suffering or ruin your life in some way.. that is when your woman is in complete control and you have ZERO control.

Think about it. Why would a woman do what you want when she knows you ain't going no where? All women MUST believe there is a chance you can leave them. Most men f*ck this up with their co-dependent faggot attitudes.

I'm an old guy and i learn something valuable every time i read a post by poon king. I was a codependent faggot . I wish someone would have talked sense like this to me 30 years ago

 

[C00lAF]

Abundance is literally everything.

If you don't have it, work on getting it - ASAP. With any game that suits you. Daygame, Nightgame, even online dating (many men here swear by it, despite my reservations).

That should be the priority for all men.

Hahaha i literaly take every chance that i see,online,day game,uni, whatever the fvck that gets me a number and a poetential plate,extra puzzy is never bad altho i get rejected alot,i find cold approaching headache free,i actually struggle in social circle game for many reasons,i wouldnt like my friends to know the girls im gaming tounge slips occur alot and i keep this alternentive lifestyle to myself.i would like to add that cold approaching filters low intrest girls that i will probably encounter in social circle game,plate wont worry if her friends or mine thod she is a slut more freedom from her part cause she will feel that she can fire me without having to see me every time she hangs out thus she will be carefree dealing with me,almost every drama situation i got myself in was thru social circle game.

 

[TheFixer14]

I'm tired. And need to get ready for beddy byes. Got a busy day tomorrow.

However, this quote is not on.

"Social circle is easier" he says.

It's easier in the sense that you have more time to work. And that you have the immediate "in", based on the social circle angle.

It certainly isn't easier to operate from a masculine frame. It isn't easier to dominate. It isn't easier to get rid of her cleanly.

It's so-called "easier", because it plays in to comfort. Comfort is the staple of beta-males.

If you say so. Most of the guys that I know that get laid a lot get laid through social circles. I don't really know anyone that gets consistently laid through cold approach pick up.

Goodnight.

 

[TheFixer14]

The guys that you know don't even actually try to get laid through cold-approach.

The quit rate for daygame is something like 95% after the first month

That is more than the navy seals.

The average beta gets laid through his social circle. That is why the average man only lays 10 women in his whole lifetime. I have nearly had that in 2016.

It's pathetic.

Not really. One guy I know combines both. He'll go to a bar and approach three women. Instead of trying to isolate and close one woman, he'll invite all three of them to something that his social circle is doing. Next week they go to the archery range with his two female "friends" and two male friends. So now his social circle is growing and he can pick the woman that he likes the most and proceed with the seduction stage after this.

The reality is that while you may like cold approach, it's not a great mating strategy as most men will never be able to consistently get laid through cold approach. Why do you think so many guys want a girlfriend so bad?

At the end of the day cold approach is more filled with rejection and flakes versus having tons of sex.

 

[C00lAF]

Of course it is filled with rejection. That's life.

For goodness sake, men need to deal with rejection. Not be scared of it. That is the real "high-value" for a man.

If you aren't getting rejected, you aren't even in the game. Or you are being a lazy/scared bastard.

Listen, every major social circle that I have been in, I have at least attracted one woman.

It doesn't mean sh*t.

You learn far more from the cold-approach.

This game isn't just about getting easy sex. Easy sex doesn't come easy, if you know what I mean

Your friend approaches three women on a night out. I approach about 10 a week. I'm looking to up that greatly in the new year.

This game should be about freedom. Social-circle confines you within a woman's frame. Nightgame confines you within a weekend slot for approaches (not my thing). Internet dating is a serious con/circus. Therefore, I (mostly) daygame.

Go to sleep fam,you got a big day tmrw,better than aruging about this or that,you uill regret all thia when your alarm goes on lolZ

 

[TheFixer14]

Of course it is filled with rejection. That's life.

For goodness sake, men need to deal with rejection. Not be scared of it. That is the real "high-value" for a man.

If you aren't getting rejected, you aren't even in the game. Or you are being a lazy/scared bastard.

Listen, every major social circle that I have been in, I have at least attracted one woman.

It doesn't mean sh*t.

You learn far more from the cold-approach.

This game isn't just about getting easy sex. Easy sex doesn't come easy, if you know what I mean

Your friend approaches three women on a night out. I approach about 10 a week. I'm looking to up that greatly in the new year.

This game should be about freedom. Social-circle confines you within a woman's frame. Nightgame confines you within a weekend slot for approaches (not my thing). Internet dating is a serious con/circus. Therefore, I (mostly) daygame.

I agree with some of the things that you said. Life is filled with rejection. But I don't believe that it gets easier. As I get older I am less and less willing to really put myself out there in certain situations unless they yield a fulfilling or financial reward. As I get older, things also hurt a bit more. I can brush them off quicker for sure. But it's not fun.

Who cares what it means? Who cares about learning if you can get laid then isn't that good.

10 women a week isn't even that much. I assume that's all you have time for due to other commitments. I used to go out and day game seven days a week.

One thing that I did like about night game was that if **** played out right I got laid. But it's not like that happened every weekend.

 

[Poon King]

My two cents on this "day game vs. social circle game" conversation:

deesade is 100% correct. But I'll also add that "day game" cold approaching doesn't necessarily mean carving out special time to walk the streets and pick up women. I haven't done that in years. Day game is simply being willing to approach ANY woman you find attractive from the minute you leave your house to the minute you come back at night. This means:

• The street (obviously)
• Train stations
• Supermarkets
• Events
• Malls
• Stores
• Cafes
• Coffee shops
• Concerts
• Restaurants
• Parking lots
• Gas stations

And the list goes on.

When I leave my apartment every day I keep my eyes wide open for sexy women. If I see a hottie, I approach her. That's it. I get the majority of my plates this way. Its easy, efficient and fun. Women generally LOVE being approached when you know how to approach them. Since most men are afraid of women down to their core.. you will automatically stand out as "higher value" just for having the balls to approach with confidence.

 

[macallik]

I am with you 100% and feel the exact same way. Thanks for sharing. Sometimes I think there's something wrong with me feeling like this, but I'm glad so many SSers have the same outlook.

That just means that there are a lot of bitter/jaded people on SoSuave though (no surprise there).

I think this is something that you need to actively work on if you intend to have a long-term monogamous relationship ever in life. Not being able to trust an entire gender is a sign that something needs to be addressed. The fact that many people on SS encounter the same thing doesn't negate the fact that you will likely do poorly in a long-term relationship...

 

[TheFixer14]

My two cents on this "day game vs. social circle game" conversation:

deesade is 100% correct. But I'll also add that "day game" cold approaching doesn't necessarily mean carving out special time to walk the streets and pick up women. I haven't done that in years. Day game is simply being willing to approach ANY woman you find attractive from the minute you leave your house to the minute you come back at night. This means:

• The street (obviously)
• Train stations
• Supermarkets
• Events
• Malls
• Stores
• Cafes
• Coffee shops
• Concerts
• Restaurants
• Parking lots
• Gas stations

And the list goes on.

When I leave my apartment every day I keep my eyes wide open for sexy women. If I see a hottie, I approach her. That's it. I get the majority of my plates this way. Its easy, efficient and fun. Women generally LOVE being approached when you know how to approach them. Since most men are afraid of women down to their core.. you will automatically stand out as "higher value" just for having the balls to approach with confidence.

But most of these will of course be flaky numbers or straight up flakes.

 

[Poon King]

But most of these will of course be flaky numbers or straight up flakes.

It doesn't matter.

I'm not taking special time out of my day anyway. I'd rather get a flake than avoid the approach and wonder if I could of f*cked that woman. Plus, my flake rate is lower than ever these days because I only close women who welcome my approach and seem HAPPY to talk to me. If a woman is rude I just walk away as if I never approached her.

You really have nothing to lose. Its almost idiotic NOT to approach women you want to f*ck. At least in my opinion.

 

[TheFixer14]

It doesn't matter.

I'm not taking special time out of my day anyway. I'd rather get a flake than avoid the approach and wonder if I could of f*cked that woman. Plus, my flake rate is lower than ever these days because I only close women who welcome my approach and seem HAPPY to talk to me. If a woman is rude I just walk away as if I never approached her.

You really have nothing to lose. Its almost idiotic NOT to approach women you want to f*ck. At least in my opinion.

True and I like that you said that you only close women who welcome your approach and seem happy. I guess I'm still stuck in the PUA mindset of closing everyone. Sometimes I forget that just walking away from a woman is a viable option.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

What a sad, sad, state of affairs this website has turned into.

- This website went from Pook teaching you to embrace your passions, become the best version of yourself that you can be, and that the MORE you invest in yourself the better your life gets (more money, better friends, and better women).

- We went from that to this shyt led by the "King Of Poon". This shyt where MGTOW/Red Pill guys thread after fvcking thread talk about how women are all X, Y, and Z....and the "King Of Poon" makes thread after thread preaching to this "choir" further programming them with more bullshyt.

I don't care WHAT you guys say on this forum nor what image you try to propose, but I know fvcking well that you guys are NOT happy. How do I know? Because I've been exactly where you are right now.

You guys are going to turn into Elliot Rogers if you don't stop this shyt.

Hey OP, if you don't think you can ever let a woman in or trust them.....THEN GO YOUR OWN WAY. That means stop dating them, don't try to fvck them, when you see a hot one and your dyck gets hard just jack off when you get home (or get an escort)....

Leave all of these untrustworthy bytches in the market so Tenacity's "beta fag.got", "Blue Pill", and "white knight" a.ss can pick them up. Deal ?

You hypocritical bullsh!t liar. I argued with you on this topic and used up all my posts about it before. You liked Poon King's advice better than Pook's because you thought his was more concrete, and here you are bashing him again because your feelings got hurt for being called a beta phaggot.

And Elliot Rodgers was a dude who couldn't get laid because he was mentally ill and had absolutely NO social skills at all towards women OR men. The dude literally believed everything he heard and got scammed to all hell by conning PUAs and while some of it was true, a lot of it was bad advice. Not only that, but the good advice he did receive was applied the wrong way.

You love posting on Sosuave TODAY because the audience is different. You didn't like doing it a couple years ago under the PlayHerMan username because the Red Pill/MGTOW theories were massively rejected by the audience of Sosuave THEN, as it was still mainly a "Pook related" self-development focus audience.

The audience is different today on Sosuave, at least the audience of those who post regularly or post in general. This audience wants to hear Red Pill, MGTOW, women are back-stabbing bytches type of material. If you produce that type of material this current audience will love you, if you produce material that goes against that, you will not be that "popular" around here.

Take my Sosuave experience for example. When I first came here I was pissed off, angry, bitter, etc. All I posted was a lot of Red Pill, "women ain't shyt" type of commentary. And what happened? I was popular lol.

When I fixed my anger issues, no longer was bitter, starting loving/appreciating women again and changed my perspective on things to thus start creating NEW commentary.......that's when Tenacity became the most hated poster on this website lol.

Take it for what it's worth Poon King/PlayHerMan, you are just speaking to your audience and this audience is full of nothing but extreme Red Pillers. You aren't here to HELP MEN, you are here to get your rocks off speaking the "sermons" that this Red Pill Choir wants to hear preached.

That account literally had a bigger audience than Poon King has right now. Regardless of the mods or admin will tell you, 4 days after that account got banned because he hurt too many peoples feelings, SoSuave had one of (if not the) the largest number of people online ever. You're just talking out of your ass cuz your butthurt. Jesus dude, grow a pair and grow up.

 

[devilkingx2]

social circle game is easier but also riskier.

cold approaching is mainly for honing you skills, practice, testing new stuff, etc.

social circle game is for getting laid using your refined techniques

night game is for getting laid using the PUA book you bought for $30 off amazon

etc.

all game has its place