I Disagree with Red Pill on 1, 2, 3

[yodaisgod1]

I challenge you. Please defend.

1. Might a cuckholdery society be a good thing? That is, might it be for the best that women are promiscuous with alphas and get resources from the state even if the betas go sexless? Sucks for betas. But standard ethical systems might endorse such a society (utilitarianism).

Elaboration: Feminists shout that they hate being come on to. Might their pain outweigh that of Betas so signifigantly that Betas should resign themselves to sexlessness?

2. Red Pill authors predict a cuckold society future. There's sex tech. Economy getting automated. So many variables.

3. On sexual polarity... I think Red Pillers are saying woman merely settle for the slightly masculine man. Is that it? David Deida disagrees. He describes a spectrum of mascunliness and femininess. He says polarity is important. But it can be a masculine woman and feminine male etc. Or a slightly masculine man and a slightly feminine woman.

4. Qualifying women: Red Pillers do a lot of looking down on womens' promiscuity and looks.

1. If she's promiscuous, good for her! And looks... who cares. Other stuff matters more (technique/emotions/personality).

2. I think the argument goes that looking down is a good TACTIC (A) out of necessity for betas to get sex, given that all the women can easily now go to a tiny fraction of alpha men, and (B) to challenge betas' pedestal mindset. I think it's also argued that looking down is JUSTIFIED as a correction to the pedestalization atrocity that is causing tremendous pain. Is that the argument?

3. Qualifying girls is low status. I know someone ultra, ultra high-status. Everyone knows he's the prize. They'll give their all to him. And he gives back more. He NEVER qualifies or minimizes people in anyway. It seems to work for him.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

The evolution of modern man will basically to become super human. One can barely even cut it as a traditional alpha these days.

There are loosely three main variables for success: physicality, emotional stability and intellect.

'Traditional' alpha male - high physicality, medium-high emotional stability, medium intellect
'Traditional' beta male - low-medium physicality, low-medium emotional stability, medium-high intellect.

Going forward, even traditional alpha's might end up raising someone else's offspring because he might not be providing enough in each and every department and betas out-perform on an intellectual level.

Modern day super-alpha male - high physicality, high emotional stability, high intellect

Alpha females are already out-performing beta males and even traditional alpha males in all departments, something quite unusual even just 20-30 years ago. In modern western society, unless a man demonstrates qualities of a super-alpha, he's going to end up with a beta female. Even then, her eyes will still go wandering when a super-alpha is in the room.

 

[yodaisgod1]

Is it really that bad. I mean, girls are pretty harsh. But how do we know it's gotten to that point? Might girls be held back by social anxiety, sexual shame etc. And how many guys have the balls to approach (i know none). Are girls really getting hit up that much?

 

[bigneil]

I know someone ultra, ultra high-status. Everyone knows he's the prize. They'll give their all to him. And he gives back more. He NEVER qualifies or minimizes people in anyway. It seems to work for him.

How does he give back more without qualifying himself?

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Is it really that bad.

It's not a complaint. It's an observation. It's the only mating strategy that has ever been - find the strongest individual/s and reproduce with them. It just so happen that humans now also have sex for pleasure and attraction is multi-faceted, as described.

Might girls be held back by social anxiety, sexual shame etc. And how many guys have the balls to approach (i know none). Are girls really getting hit up that much?

These are things that you are hoping for but simply aren't true.
-A woman having an affair does not feel anxiety nor shame because of secrecy. Indeed, it is the thrill of being caught which partly excites her.
-So basically you're relying on other men not approaching women as contributing to your success...? You are looking at this thing completely the wrong way round. It doesn't matter what others do, only what you are doing.

Spend less time thinking about things that are outside of your control.

 

[Urbanyst]

I only have two main comments:

On women being promiscuous, the reason its a turn off is because men hate raising another man's kids. If a woman is promiscuous the chances of that happening are much higher.

On looks.. its important for women to be attractive because it shows they have high quality genetics and good health. This means they are less likely to have genetic defects that can be passed on to your kids.

 

[devilkingx2]

4. Qualifying women: Red Pillers do a lot of looking down on womens' promiscuity and looks.

1. If she's promiscuous, good for her! And looks... who cares. Other stuff matters more (technique/emotions/personality).

i feel like you want a woman who's more sexually loose for any and all occasions, the reason guys don't like women who mess around is that they don't want to be cheated on or branch swung on or have to deal with a girl who's spinning plates, etc. which are all valid complaints imo

but on the flip side, it's better to have a woman who wants to fvck you easily and quickly rather than making you jump backwards through 17 flaming hoops first for average pvssy (as I see it, a girl who makes you wait for sex or put in extra effort probably either has a low sex drive or likes to play games more than she likes to get guys she likes, why would you want to deal with either of those things? )

as for looks, I agree, as long as she's at least a 7, looks aren't that important, i never got those guys who'd act like bragging to their friends about how hot their girlfriend is is somehow more important than everything else.

 

[Desdinova]

1. Might a cuckholdery society be a good thing? That is, might it be for the best that women are promiscuous with alphas and get resources from the state even if the betas go sexless?

Women generally only become promiscuous after they've been alpha-widowed. Become the one who can alpha-widow her and the whole cuckholdery society thing will be irrelevant.

However, take advantage of the cuckholdery society to become an alpha-male. That is how you train.

3. On sexual polarity... I think Red Pillers are saying woman merely settle for the slightly masculine man.

It all depends on the woman. She will only "settle" for someone after she's been alpha-widowed. Before that happens, it's all Disney dreams and fantasies.

4. Qualifying women: Red Pillers do a lot of looking down on womens' promiscuity and looks.

Again, promiscuous women are where you train. As for looks, a more attractive female will generally be at higher risk for being a spoiled entitled brat, whether it be from relatives or AFCs. Naturally, you're generally going to find women lower on the looks scale to be better suited for the long term. However, nearly ALL women over the age of 23 will become spoiled, entitled brats due to desperate men looking for sex.

The bottom line is, all this 5hit doesn't bother me. I'm more worried about gay couples using science for reproduction and raising these children. That is more likely to put an end to natural human reproduction than promiscuous women. We're consciously selecting damaged genes to be passed down instead of letting nature filter them out. Gay people have no desire to naturally reproduce.