I could REALLY use your help tonight

cupraikso

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Dear Don Juans, I'm in a conundrum and I'm hurting a lot. I could use a pointer or two.

I'll try to make this short. Three weeks ago I had a 'deep' connection with this girl. She's extremely bright, she is hot, she is a giving person. She does not appear to be a run-of-the-mill *****. I've had PLENTY of those. She says she admires me. She's a student where I work, so she pursued me and we exchanged emails. The first two weeks after meeting we chatted a lot, and we both felt a deep connection. After the second week she confessed me that she had a boyfriend, although she said things were getting sour. We have been seing each other regularly in person, about every day for the last week. We both became very attached. There's a lot of physicality, except sex.

Stupid as it might sound, she appears to be loyal. Her boyfriend is going through a rough patch and she feels the responsibility of being there for him. She does not want to break up with him because she feels like 'she is the best thing that has happened to him, and breaking up with him at this time would bring his world down'. Now, we spend a lot of time with each other, she calls me, she wants to see me at every chance she has. She says I make her extremely happy and 'complete'.

Then something happened. She had been lying about her whereabouts to her boyfriend, but he was suspecting something was up so he checked up on her and found that she was lying (she wasn't where she told him he was).

So I just got off the phone with her. She told me that she can't continue lying like that, so we would have to be only friends. Especially because he said he is going to change. He said he is going to be the things she wants him to be. She says he deserves an opportunity.

I said that that friendship was not possible. She says she understands, although it's going to hurt a lot.

She insists she would rather have me as a friend than not at all. I disagreed, I told her that would be too painful.

She said she didn't want to say goodbye over the phone, so she's coming over tomorrow so we can say that in person.

I'm lost. I don't know what to do. This never happened to me, I had never in my life felt this deep connection with someone that wasn't physical or sexual.

Should I break all contact? should I remain friends and be miserable waiting for a window of opportunity? should I cancel tomorrow's meeting? what, now?
 

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Break it off. Completely and without any remorse.

Then let this sh!t feeling sink in good and deep. If she's lying to you about lying to her boyfriend about lying about being his girlfriend; what the fvck does that make her?

You want that as a trophy? She's loyal alright. Loyal to herself.
 

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She likes you more then she likes her boyfriend but is afraid of being with you because she is insecure about you. She isn't confident that you will be a good BF or else she would have moved to you instead. You have to be more manly\aggressive and TAKE what you want, IMO. BUT CAREFUL. BECAUSE I AM AFRAID YOU WILL MISINTERPRET THIS ADVICE AND DO SOMETHING TOTALLY STUPID!

So you have to raise her IL, but that isn't enough, (it's already sort of high) you have to make sure that you are better then her BF (more secure, can create attraction) etc. Sorry, I wrote this post very quickly, I am not sure that I explained everything exactly as I wanted. But I just wrote to give you this message: You still have an chance, this is normal, happens all the time! Improve yourself. Maybe take a break, and come back to her later, she will be waiting. This is just my opinion, no guarantee it will work, but if it was me that's what I would do. Dude, she hangs around with you, says these things and kisses you, do you really think she gives a **** about her boyfriend?
 

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KarmaSutra said:
Break it off. Completely and without any remorse.

Then let this sh!t feeling sink in good and deep. If she's lying to you about lying to her boyfriend about lying about being his girlfriend; what the fvck does that make her?

You want that as a trophy? She's loyal alright. Loyal to herself.

EXACTLY!

To the OP your getting played like a fiddle.

Notice how all the things you like about her are words that you have attached to describe her? In other words, her words and actions don't add up. She gives you the run around about her bf, hangs out with you and nothing physical happens.... yet your falling for this chick because of this image you have created in your head about her.

Girls that meet a guy they perceive to be a really great catch, don't let that guy hang around while they figure stuff out with their bf. They would break up with their current bf, to be with the new guy.

This girl is lying to her bf, lying to you and giving you false hope. For all you know she's totally addicted to her bf, even if he treats her like complete shiat and she looks to you for the emotional support she's not getting from him.


Bottom line you have no shot here and are blinded by the words and image you have created.


PS: Groovy, no offense bro but your wayyyy off.....






PIMP
 

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i disagree. i think you are allowing her to have her cake and eat it too. girls want what they cant have or dont have. whatever that may be. Insert money/car/shopping/ house/ good looking dude/ etc. she has her bf, a guy that has now caught her straying so he things, and is going to do everything he can to hold onto her obviously. Why you would even want to be sitting on the sidelines to all this is beyond me. Maybe you like feeling that you are not good enough and this pattern keep re-enforcing that. you need to be strong and show her what a real man would do. first of all she is right, honesty is the greatest policy. so let her know what the deal is. you want to pursue her because of your connection but you ccant just be out in the friend bucket and be content there so you would rather forgo the friendship and focus on meeting someone that is going to show you the same affection and respect you deserve. she obviously has loose ends she is not ready to cut with her current dude.

You need to cut it off and be stronger and take a look at what it is that really keeps you wanting to feel that kind of pain.
 

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Thanks a lot everyone. I feel like there's a network of close friends I can trust in this forum (although it's the internetz, I know).

I'll break it off completely. That was my original plan.

I was not feeling pain, because, as I said, she pursued me, she called me, we hung out a lot, we kissed, etc. I was getting a sweet deal, although I was not the 'official' boyfriend.

Now that all has to change and I'll have to settle for friendship? not a chance.

The thing that is painful is that the connection that was there. For the first time it was not the emotions or sex drive in me talking, but the cold-headed knowledge that we were cognitively compatible, for one, she's way smarter than me. And that's a first. Also, she's a compassionate, giving person. Then, she's hot. Not only that, but she felt the same way towards me. The odds of finding that combination are very very unlikely and I hadn't found something like that in my life. However, I am proud to have had so much experiences and I have not made stupid mistakes so far. I haven't demonstrated any neediness, desperation, insecurities, etc. I am happy and proud of that. I'll also add here that many times while we hung out she had discussions with her boyfriend over the phone. Most of the times she excused herself to go talk far away from me. When she didn't I overhead some of the conversations and he seemed obsessive and controlling. She seemed overwhelmed and frustrated.

The pain comes from the knowing that there's no way of continuing this and to cut our relationship is the only way out.

I'm going to deeply miss her as a person, not only as a woman.

It's frustrating.

But thanks to your responses I now feel much stronger. I am in debt to you.
 

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Forgot to ask one last question.

The thing is, breaking it off in most other circumstances is understandable, because there's direct disrespect towards you (she's ignoring you, cheating on you, etc.) But here's no obvious disrespect and breaking it off will only be to avoid the hurt in just cutting everything physical (the hugs, kisses etc). But I still don't know if it's the _best_ thing.

Maybe I should refrain from keeping this woman as a partner? maybe she'll make a wonderful friend?
 

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"Who knows, maybe we can reconnect in the future IF I'm still single".

Don't burn your bridges.

Sounds like she's on the edge of cheating and it would just take the right guy with the right game for her give it up/branch swing. Showing indifference is key here. If you really did have a 'deep connection' she'll work hard to keep your attention if you pull back. Personally, I'd consider her for sex but invest nothing other than that.
 

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Ok, just did it.

Broke it off.

IT HURTS LIKE HELL.

I'm terribly down.

Any pointers now? :( :( :(
 

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This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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You did the right thing. It was a fantasy, an illusion if you will. She was playing both of you.

See, she had a dilemma. The s@x with her bf was still pretty good, but he was being distant, selfish, and not meeting her emotional needs. So she was on the fence about breaking up with him. Then she met you who took care of her emotional needs.

By you taking care of her emotional needs, she has no problem staying with him for the physical stuff.

In short, you are helping and ensuring that the BF GETS L@ID. What's in this for you? Nothing but some vague promises to string you along.
 

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Thanks for your words Mike.

That makes sense, although we talked a lot about sex and she says that she has abstained most of her life and that has brought problems with her boyfriends in the past. She is not a virgin, but she does not engage in sex regularly.
 

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I'M BEGINNING TO DO STUPID THINGS.

I called her, for one.

I need to focus my energies somewhere else.
 

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I don't get it. You like this girl, yet you are walking away? It hurts. Because you like her. There is a competition between you and the other guy. If you quit, she's his. And he treats her like CRAP. True, it does create attraction, but it isn't what a girl wants. Girls want a guy who likes her but isn't desperate, who isn't needy! That goes a long way to make her like you. That guy isn't even in your league. Or, maybe he is, since you are considering walking away from what you want, maybe he would be better for the girl after all.

What's wrong with taking what you like? I don't understand. If she liked you more then the other guy, she would forget about him. I'd say that you need to work on yourself a little bit, and then come back to the game. Take a break first, until you solve this mental block.

Mike, good post. Then, the OP needs to be good in sex, and that's that.

Pimp-sicle, that's cool of you. I think your posts are great. Although sometimes i don't agree, I still really like reading them. :) OP, MAYBE I AM WRONG IN THIS ONE. I'VE BEEN WRONG BEFORE AND THE REST OF SS WAS RIGHT. ACTUALLY, JUST YESTERDAY THAT HAPPENED WITH THAT STRIPPER *****. THIS IS JUST WHAT I WOULD DO. SO YOU GUYS CAN FLAME ME ALL YOU WANT, ACTUALLY, DO THAT IF YOU DISAGREE, BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT I MYSELF AM NOT 100% ON THIS ONE. TY FOR READING. If you are wondering, I wrote this all in caps because I am an huge idiot.
 

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Ok, ball's on my side now.

She came clean to him.

He broke up with her.

I just told her she needs more time to figure things out.

Now I don't want part of this mess. Not at this moment. I'll have to wait until everything settles down.

Maybe I should not have answered that call.

Anyways, I told her she needs time to figure things out on her side. She agreed.
 

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Groovy said:
I don't get it. You like this girl, yet you are walking away? It hurts. Because you like her. There is a competition between you and the other guy. If you quit, she's his.
It may sound stupid, but you can't imagine how many times I've remembered your words in the past 24 hours. It's really ****ing me up. Should I quit or not? she doesn't mind. She appears to want to be 'friends', even I told her clearly there was no chance of that. I only want her romantically.

ARGHHHHHHHHHH.

Any other input will be greatly appreciated.
 
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