How'd I do? She was making me chase, I shut it down

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Had a fight... or a breakup... or a semi-breakup with Plate #2.

This is a girl I've written about before. A year ago she was a oneitis. I flipped the script and had her chasing me. For five months it was all good: I had a strong frame, she was being great, I was spinning plates and wasn't having any beta relapses. She's a cool girl, if not a little insecure and inexperienced. I'd say she's slept with maybe one or two other guys before me and is a bit of a homebody like me - definitely not on any kind of carousels.

She recently dropped the bomb that she wanted a relationship, but I was also really into this other girl (Plate 1) so I wasn't prepared to be exclusive.

I since spoke with Plate 1 about things and pretty clear that Plate 1 is better suited as a FB rather than a GF. It got me thinking about going next step with Plate 2, who had been acting distant lately, so I took her out for dinner and a movie to see how things go.

When we get back to my place I notice things are still a little off. We make out and it's weak, so I ask her what's up. She says she doesn't think it's working between us, she says she's just not convinced I'm really interested in her. I tell her of course I'm interested in her - why else would I be taking her out? - and that I'm open to getting serious.

Well, she starts going all cold and says how things have gotten too complicated. She says things weren't romantic enough between us. She says that because of our past we missed out on all the fun, early-dating stuff - and that maybe it would've been better if we'd met as strangers and didn't have the history.

This was crazy to me because she was the one that brought up being exclusive a few weeks ago, and now all of a sudden things weren't good enough. I started explaining why things have been fine... that we have been having fun... that I really am interested in her... f*ck, I realized - I was somehow chasing her again!

I didn't like how the script was being flipped back on me so I just told her: listen, we probably both have some walls up here because of our past but I'll put the effort in if you will. Just no more drama. She says she doesn't think it'll work and that maybe she's just too messed up to be with anyone.

I tell her ok, you can go now. I turn away from her and watch the TV. She tries making a few jokes and I don't move my gaze away from the TV. She starts slowly packing up and makes small talk, tells me a story, but I just give one word answers and keep looking at the TV. She slowwwwlllyy puts on her coat and boots then walks back into the living room and says, "Ok.... I'm gonna go." I just keep staring at the TV and say "see ya."

I admittedly have my guard up here and maybe I'm a little too quick on the draw with these SoSuave freeze-out tactics... but that's just because I want to ensure I never slip back into oneitis-ville with this one.

I don't necessarily want to blow it up with this girl but I had to act in that situation because I could feel myself starting to care more than her and I know what that leads to. How do you think I did and what would be the next play if I'm to keep dating this one? I feel like I should wait for her to contact me, but she's the insecure/fears confrontation sort, so I wouldn't count on it. It might very well be done, but that'd be very disappointing.
 

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You did ok - backslid a bit with the pleading especially because I think she just wants to know where you stood to get the upper hand. A good way to respond would have been - "if your heart is telling you that this isn't right, I respect that."

It is a great way to get her hamster going where she questions her decision without any feedback from you to validate.

Anyway, you did the right thing by withdrawing in the end. Sit back, relax, and if you do start screwing around again - slowly do some of the things that are exciting which she mentioned on your terms. Some good banter and creating anticipation is a good remedy. I think you need to ramp up the excitement - I also feel like this one will be back so be patient and let her make the moves to reconnect. When you do, do as I stated above.

If she doesn't come back - you left with your dignity and now you know how to balance things a bit more in the future. Always care less than she does.
 

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Dgwizdal said:
A good way to respond would have been - "if your heart is telling you that this isn't right, I respect that."
Great reply and I particularly like your line above. Thanks.

Edit: You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dgwizdal again.
 

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Let me ask you this. Any possibility that after a few days, if she hasn't reached out, I can contact her as if nothing happened?
 

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Nope - incredibly important you maintain the frame. Get your head right - with that mentality you'll be chasing her in no time. She has to win YOU back.
 

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Dgwizdal said:
Nope - incredibly important you maintain the frame. Get your head right - with that mentality you'll be chasing her in no time. She has to win YOU back.
Ya I'm caught in a winter lull.... Record breaking cold temperatures + work-related stress = not going out and meeting new plates.

P.S. Pretty sure she won't be reaching out. Part of her argument was she didn't feel convinced I was truly into her - knowing her insecurity, she'll determine that all this just validates that for her.
 

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noobolgy said:
Your a lesbian, right?
Some days or weeks ago I made a sarcastic comment about being a woman that some on SoSuave took literally.

:cheer:

(Above: actual picture of me)
 

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I get the feeling she's closing herself off from you. You've put off being exclusive with her for so long that she's cutting her feelings off so she won't get hurt. You did nothing wrong, you can't spin a plate forever. I doubt she'll come back anytime soon but if you don't chase her one day she may return.
 

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JoeMarron said:
I get the feeling she's closing herself off from you. You've put off being exclusive with her for so long that she's cutting her feelings off so she won't get hurt. You did nothing wrong, you can't spin a plate forever. I doubt she'll come back anytime soon but if you don't chase her one day she may return.
I agree with this as well - the only thing that prevented me from committing to this exact same advice was the fact that you chased her in the beginning and she was your oneitis.

Either way - you are still in fairly good shape. If she Truely felt neglected - you must let her go and wait 4-5+ months no cotact before tryin to reestablish rapport. The only thing that reaching out to her will do right now is make her feel like you are supplicating and making up for lost ground for neglecting her - which is exactly the truth. Reestablishing rapport too quickly with a girl who dumped you for being a jerk, not committing, etc will only hurt her attraction to you.

Attraction is still present however she is forcing herself to withdrawal and that is exactly what you must do to start a new.

I am in a similiar situation for being dumped for being an a$$hole and not committing. After one final d!ck move she blew up in defeated rage saying that I didnt want the same thing as her out of the relationship and that she can't waste her time with someone who doesn't want to move forward. That i think the world and time revolve around me (it does). As she stared at pics of us on her wall while texting me how great i am, i was out banging other sloots and texting her back that shes lucky to have me - sound familiar? I spun her for 8 months before she had enough. I let her go without a fight and have been nc since except a few slip ups by her and breif encounters where she is clearly still interested but thinks I'm a jerk.

Fast forward 5 months to now - she is still single, i am banging one of her friends (sorry for partying) but about to cut that cord. Regardless of that - she is starting to warm up to me again and is right where I left her for the most part attraction wise. This time if things proceed (and if they don't thats cool too) - I will be taking a shot at the real deal with her in a more balanced approach as GF qualities/potential is strong instead of treating her like just another replaceable plate w no f*cks given. The cool down time inbetween is essential for her rose colored glasses to kick in for you.

Roissy: Within the context of an LTR, consideration should be seasoned with inconsiderate aloofness, like a sprinkle of pepper on a nourishing bowl of soup. That is the zen way of poon.

there’s something you should know about *******s and their unusual pull on women. Beta suck-ups are rejected before they even know where they went wrong; an ***hole can dump a quarry full of his toxic slurry into a woman’s heart and she’ll still leave the door to her pvssy open a crack for him, based on nothing more than a slim hope he’ll redeem himself in her eyes.


A girl can only be spun for so long before her conscious kicks in.

Hope we've helped.
 

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noobolgy said:
Oh, gotcha.
I thought the same thing, I actually PM'd him.

OP, it doesn't help that your name's TheCWord. Isn't that "cvnt"? I thought either that or you were playing off of The L Word.

Anyway, DUDE, you and your fvcking plates.

So why are you trying to go exclusive with #2? I don't get it. Does that mean you're going to drop #1 as a plate? Or are you going to keep her as a side piece?

So your #1 turned you down for a relationship so you're falling back on #2. Do you really want a relationship that bad? Or are you trying to get back at #1 by going exclusive with #2?

I think you're just as confused as your plates are.

And, why are you trying to fvck up a seemingly good thing?

Either way, here's my thinking with #2. She got all full of herself that you started acting lovey dovey so she started making demands, because she thought she had you. You gave her an inch, now she wants a mile. "Oh, he likes me now, well I'm going to make his a$$ pay for the $hit he's put me through" That sorta thing.
She says things weren't romantic enough between us
. She wants you to go full bore super boyfriend. And who knows, if that would even do anything. She was your one-itus, until you manned up, then she liked you. Then you went vagina on her, so now she's getting distant. See a pattern here?

Part of her argument was she didn't feel convinced I was truly into her - knowing her insecurity, she'll determine that all this just validates that for her.
Why do you keep focusing on what she says? Who gives a fvck what she says. Judge by actions, not by words bro. You should have came to bible study.


You did well by holding your frame at the end. Here's how I'd look at it if I were you. You gave her a shot and she threw it back in your face. Getting all blue pill on her is only going to make things worse.

Did you learn a lesson here? No more relationship talk with her. She's a plate (if that anymore) and that's all it's ever going to be.

I think you should stand your ground, and act as if you two are done, unless she comes back and does something to make up for her behavior. Which, as long as you keep your frame, I have a feeling she will.

If she doesn't, then it's like was mentioned above. She thought she wanted a relationship, but then realized she only wanted what she couldn't have. Now that you offered it up to her, she realized she was just enjoying the chase, and now she's moving on.

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Dgwizdal said:
an ***hole can dump a quarry full of his toxic slurry into a woman’s heart and she’ll still leave the door to her pvssy open a crack for him, based on nothing more than a slim hope he’ll redeem himself in her eyes.
This is good man. I had a plate that I originally had a one night stand with that I didn't even remember, only reason I had known a chick had been in my bed was because there were earrings on my nightstand when I woke up in the morning. Don't ask me how I ended up finding her, but I did. Anyways, we started banging about once a week, she had one of the nicest racks I had ever seen. A little thick bodied, but put together well. She'd walk in the door, I'd give her a hug and my hand would go straight to the boobs, then we'd sit on my couch, put on a movie, and she'd be blowing me within ten minutes. It was great. Fast forward a few months. And she starts making demands of me to take her out to dinner. I say "yeah, yeah" (blowing her off). She comes over here and there, but every time she leaves mad because I hadn't taken her out. Then finally one day I say okay, next Friday. Friday comes and I flake. It was a good reason though. I call her the next week, she says she'll come over but first I need to take her out. I say nah, see ya. Fast forward one month, start thinking of her, call her. She says that she has a boyfriend now BUT if I want to take her out she'll go out with me, I say, nah I'm good. Fast forward 6 months, I give it one more shot, SAME THING. She'll hang out with me, but I need to take her out. This time I realized I better cut this one off, I actually apologized to her, and said "hey, I'm not really interested in a relationship like you are, sorry, I'll leave you alone now." Then that was it, deleted her phone #. But, like you were saying, she was willing to give me as many chances as it would take.
 

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OP, I'm in somewhat similar situation as you. Spun the plate close to 10 months and no exclusiveness as in going outright and asking her to be my girlfriend. I didn't have much of plates spinning at the time and I was suprised I held back for so long, but anyways long story short same thing happened she realized I wasn't committing and she drew back considerably to protect herself. We got in a big argument and I went straight ghost on her w maybe one or two slip ups for about 3 months, not gonna lie sh*t was hard as f*ck. But sure enough she came back and displaying same interest as she did in the beginning.


The way I look at it if you had her hamster reved up to its highest point and time apart from you plus the reality of the dating scene she will discover you were much higher value to her than she thought, but time needs to be elapsed for her to realize this. A gamble yes, but reaching out to her too soon will solidify her decision was right and you're just catering to her needs and not being the prize.
 

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So many good responses here. For some reason I'm lucky with my threads, I always get some of the smartest posters replying.

I'll respond to everyone here...

JoeMarron said:
I get the feeling she's closing herself off from you. You've put off being exclusive with her for so long that she's cutting her feelings off so she won't get hurt.
Yeah that's my bad, but in truth I wasn't playing some DJ game. A year ago I would've done anything for this girl but when she asked for exclusivity I just honestly felt like it was too soon.

She wanted a relationship but, if I'm to be truthful, she wasn't really showing me what a relationship with her would be like. She was basically saying, "Commit and I'll show you." Well, I've had a great time dating her and everything but what if she doesn't do some of the things I want a GF to do? I wanted to find that out first.

Dgwizdal said:
The only thing that reaching out to her will do right now is make her feel like you are supplicating and making up for lost ground for neglecting her - which is exactly the truth. Reestablishing rapport too quickly with a girl who dumped you for being a jerk, not committing, etc will only hurt her attraction to you.
Dgwizdal said:
The cool down time inbetween is essential for her rose colored glasses to kick in for you.
It's true. As I tried to draw her back in by telling her that I actually do like her, she didn't seem to think it was genuine. I am quite fond of her, but I wasn't about to put on a fireworks display to prove that to her - I also know from experience and reading these forums that even though she is asking for that, she'd actually lose attraction if I went full-beta and told her how perfect she was.

Peaks&Valleys said:
Anyway, DUDE, you and your fvcking plates.

So why are you trying to go exclusive with #2? I don't get it. Does that mean you're going to drop #1 as a plate? Or are you going to keep her as a side piece?

So your #1 turned you down for a relationship so you're falling back on #2. Do you really want a relationship that bad? Or are you trying to get back at #1 by going exclusive with #2?
Haha what's up P&V. Always appreciate your advice and the best part about your replies is that you try to put yourself in my shoes. Thanks for jumping in.

Yeah you just reminded me I forgot to update the other thread about Plate 1. Maybe I should get around to that. The cliff notes is I talked with Plate 1 and she's not seeing anybody else, she doesn't want me to see anybody else, but she doesn't want all the expectations that go along with being in an LTR. She thinks she's too selfish for that. So after that conversation I demoted her to FB in my mind. We've hooked up a couple times since but I rarely call her and might just stop altogether. It's all good, nothing negative or dramatic like what's going on with Plate 2.

Peaks&Valleys said:
I think you should stand your ground, and act as if you two are done, unless she comes back and does something to make up for her behavior. Which, as long as you keep your frame, I have a feeling she will.
Werd. I'm definitely fighting my instincts for instant gratification. Need to remember Pook's teachings on patience.
 

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Missed these...

GotED? said:
In life, the woman you end up being with is either your heaven or misery.

Never settle for misery.

I would rather be alone than be with the wrong person.

Exodus
True, true. Could be I'm just settling for misery, or at least mediocrity, due to the fact that I have no time to get other plates spinning at the moment.

Or maybe she is good stuff, problem is I needed more time to figure it out and she didn't much care for that.

Nn877 said:
OP, I'm in somewhat similar situation as you. Spun the plate close to 10 months and no exclusiveness as in going outright and asking her to be my girlfriend. I didn't have much of plates spinning at the time and I was suprised I held back for so long, but anyways long story short same thing happened she realized I wasn't committing and she drew back considerably to protect herself. We got in a big argument and I went straight ghost on her w maybe one or two slip ups for about 3 months, not gonna lie sh*t was hard as f*ck. But sure enough she came back and displaying same interest as she did in the beginning.


The way I look at it if you had her hamster reved up to its highest point and time apart from you plus the reality of the dating scene she will discover you were much higher value to her than she thought, but time needs to be elapsed for her to realize this. A gamble yes, but reaching out to her too soon will solidify her decision was right and you're just catering to her needs and not being the prize.
Good story, man. Way to be patient.
 

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TheCWord said:
So many good responses here. For some reason I'm lucky with my threads, I always get some of the smartest posters replying.

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You sound like a woman.
 

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My most recent 4 month 'relationship' ended as this girl just refused to get rid of her orbiters. I was probably replaced in all of 2 days haha. She tried to be 'friends' and 'care' about me, but the day after the breakup I was already in another city doing my ex-wife. It's good to have a backup plan.
 

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Buddy bailed tonight so now I'm bored... lots of thoughts about texting her... but know things won't be right until she starts chasing me...
 
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