How to get into a girl's friendzone?

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I think some of the posters on here are missing what @NealIRC is getting at here. He is essentially asking what it is that men can do that ultimately leads them into the friendzone.

I think a big factor today is that many women are far too readily open to attention from other men, even when they are in a relationship. A woman may be going through a rough patch with her bf or maybe talking to some guy that she is pursuing that doesn't have much interest in her. In the meantime, she is totally open to talking to other men that eagerly give her attention. Eventually, things with the man she is truly interested in line up for her and the other guy she had been entertaining all along more or less falls to the wayside. With all this said, you can't really blame one party or the other, as both are equally guilty. The guy is guilty for being far too readily available and eager to give attention to a woman who he knows really isn't all that interested in him. The woman is guilty for essentially entertaining this other man's attention when she doesn't even have any real interest in him.

I would say that the majority of "friend zone" issues play out something like above. I feel a lot of women legitimately aren't even aware of when they do this unfortunately. I've seen some articles showing that women are far more likely to UNDERESTIMATE the interest that men have towards them and that men OVERESTIMATE the interest that women have towards them. I believe that this is the root cause for the vast majority of cases like this. Women think men are being friendly or just looking to chat when they fail to recognize that these men are only going out of their way to interact with them because they are interested.

With that said, there are some cases where women will blatantly lead men on for no real reason and waste their time. It's a bizarre dynamic that I still don't fully understand, but I believe that it's a man's job to be able to spot these women for what they are and knowing how to cut them off. I've met several women like this and they are a complete waste of time, they are like energy vampires that bring no real value.
This is a beautiful explanation of the friendzone dynamic. I think women have no problem with this dynamic because they see everyone from their female hive mentality. Women use each other to share resources. For example, a particular woman knows five different men. Each man has a different skill set that can provide her with a service when she needs help. So she goes along and plays nice with them so when something breaks, she can call the man with the particular skill she needs. The 5 men think she likes them because she is nice and is basically baiting them for future services. Since men want sex, this is almost effortless for most attractive women. Problem is, this woman has no intention in sleeping with any of these 5 men. She sees them just like she sees her female friends, like other bees in the hive.

From the male perspective, our ultimate biological programming is to procreate. So when the woman you found attractive and spent time trying to court is not interested, the end game is defeated. From then on, she is a complete waste of time. Women say men are not entitled to sex but they are also not entitled to our time and resources. The sooner you find out the woman doesn’t see a future with you the better. Cut your losses and move on. They don’t mind using your attention because they see you like another female friend. You just became her “gay male girl friend.”

Guys will play themselves and think I’ll just be friends with her and she’ll eventually see how great I am. Wrong. You‘ll catch feelings for her while she uses you and sleeps with another guy who made zero effort. The more narcissistic the woman, the worse she will play men. I have a coworker that has a man at home but she openly flirts with any new guy that gets hired. Especially if she can use him to get her job done. She’ll use all her flirting tactics to get the guy hooked for her future resource and attention needs. It is quite slimy when you realize her game.
 

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From the male perspective, our ultimate biological programming is to procreate.
So a single man with kids, can't desire female friendship because if he already has kids, his purpose is accomplished?
 

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By friendzone, I do not mean "people she knows" zone.

So, for examples.

-She could be moving places, and calls guys to help her move.
-She has a birthday party, invites guys over.
-She wants to go shopping in places, and calls a man or more to be her bodyguard(s).
The answer to this lies in your original post in your ‘need some help on a tricky situation’ thread
 

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Speak for yourself. You over here acting like you know what both white and black women want and you get NEITHER.
This is always a good deflect post. But I'll tell you this, the reason you use this deflecting argument, is because you can't prove me wrong.

As for why I'm an incel, I spit a lot of game, though mostly to Hispanic girls in gangs. But I never be the 1st to ask them out or ask for their #. Or give them my # without them asking, etc. That's the easy way to get girls, I'm trying the harder way.
 

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This is always a good deflect post. But I'll tell you this, the reason you use this deflecting argument, is because you can't prove me wrong.

As for why I'm an incel, I spit a lot of game, though mostly to Hispanic girls in gangs. But I never be the 1st to ask them out or ask for their #. Or give them my # without them asking, etc. That's the easy way to get girls, I'm trying the harder way.
It's time to retire from giving advice to, or entertaining incels.
 

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Because he is out of options, and he is hoping that FriendMaxxing will get him poon. :rolleyes:
The 1st part is true, but I'm a visual guy. I.e., sex and oral sex has no meaning to me if the girl keeps all her clothes on. But when 100% of the convos you have are all men and homeless men, you get bored of that.
 

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Because he is out of options, and he is hoping that FriendMaxxing will get him poon. :rolleyes:
Here's another thing.

For the possibility that female friends will introduce you to their female friends.

At work, I often ask how couples met. Like at work there's a Mexican guy - Black girl couple, I asked how did they 1st meet, through a mutual friend that knew them both, and invited them both, at a mall. This is like the most common way relationships form, through introducing/networking.
 

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Here's another thing.

For the possibility that female friends will introduce you to their female friends.

At work, I often ask how couples met. Like at work there's a Mexican guy - Black girl couple, I asked how did they 1st meet, through a mutual friend that knew them both, and invited them both, at a mall. This is like the most common way relationships form, through introducing/networking.
I will admit that having a female friend could help in getting introductions. However, it seems that women always have a fat friend that they are trying to pawn off. :mad:
 

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This is like the most common way relationships form, through introducing/networking.
No, it isn't. You're letting a small sample size distort your perception. Social circle introductions have been declining for 30+ years.

How Heterosexual Couples Meet.jpg
 

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Uh, you know how I know that chart is false? There was no Internet in the 1980s. So how the hell is there even a red line. XD

But still looks like I was mostly right even from this chart.
 

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So as a guy in late 30s, wanting to party, I had to build a new social group. Luckily I knew someone that knew a bunch of younger 22ish girls and all of us starting to out together.
I became friends with many of them. You don’t really choose to be in the friend zone. I’m not attracted to all of them but they’re fun to hang out.

Girls attract other girls. And if you’re in a good ratio, other women will notice.
 

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So a single man with kids, can't desire female friendship because if he already has kids, his purpose is accomplished?
No, the desire to procreate is always there. By procreate, I mean “wanna fvck”. If the possibility to fvck said woman is not possible, then she is a waste of time. Men’s sexual desires continue even after kids are born. Problem is most women are done after children. Their libido dies off progressively each year. After menopause, the game is basically over.
 

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Uh, you know how I know that chart is false? There was no Internet in the 1980s. So how the hell is there even a red line. XD

But still looks like I was mostly right even from this chart.
The red line represents 0% in the 1980s and early 1990s.

Men’s sexual desires continue even after kids are born. Problem is most women are done after children. Their libido dies off progressively each year. After menopause, the game is basically over.
Let's consider a lot of my friends/broader social circle. Most of them had their 1st child in their early to mid-30s with similarly aged women. It sounds miserable to be married and have infrequent sex from your early to mid-30s and beyond.

Children aren't the only reason for diminished frequency of sex. Childless LTRs also see diminished sex frequency after a certain period of time. The passage of time is the bigger variable than children in reducing sex frequency in LTRs. People tend to confuse the two because children tend to happen in a lot of monogamous relationships around when the sex frequency would have happened anyway. I agree that children make the declining sex frequency problem in monogamous LTRs worse.
 

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By friendzone, I do not mean "people she knows" zone.

So, for examples.

-She could be moving places, and calls guys to help her move.
-She has a birthday party, invites guys over.
-She wants to go shopping in places, and calls a man or more to be her bodyguard(s).
Calling all beta male simps: please help one of your fellow kind by providing a thoughtful response to the poor chap's question.
 

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Okay, I'm add a new question, how to get into a woman's Facebook friendlist?

All these profiles of beautiful women on Facebook, how did their guy friends get on their friend list? What do you gotta do to get her to add you 1st?
 

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By friendzone, I do not mean "people she knows" zone.

So, for examples.

-She could be moving places, and calls guys to help her move.
-She has a birthday party, invites guys over.
-She wants to go shopping in places, and calls a man or more to be her bodyguard(s).
Tell her you want to bang her from behind on top of the kitchen table. If she says "no" then congratulations, you're in the friendzone. Expect a call when she gets behind on her mortgage payments.
 

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Tell her you want to bang her from behind on top of the kitchen table. If she says "no" then congratulations, you're in the friendzone. Expect a call when she gets behind on her mortgage payments.
No, friend zone implies she has your contact info.
 

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Okay, I'm add a new question, how to get into a woman's Facebook friendlist?

All these profiles of beautiful women on Facebook, how did their guy friends get on their friend list? What do you gotta do to get her to add you 1st?
Who cares about that? First off, Facebook is dying. Even Instagram is past its peak. If you're able to do that, you're just another beta orbiter.
 

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Who cares about that? First off, Facebook is dying.
Not among Hispanic people. There's still 16 year-olds joining Facebook and then getting hundreds of friends. This is true with Black people too, I follow homicide pages that announce when people are killed, and often the person's Facebook are tagged, as well as their family. A lot of them post pics of them holding guns, so.
 
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