How to get a 10....

[OnTheWayUp]

Gentlemen,

I'm currently seeing two girls, both of whom are awesome in different ways. They're both very good looking; I would rate them an 8 and an 8.5. Finding girls who are more attractive is proving hard work- I don't give a score of 9 lightly, let alone 10.

There is, however, a girl who has recently become part of my social group who I would score as close to 10 as I have ever seen anywhere. How do you bag a girl like this- a girl who basks in male attention, and presumably has done for quite some time?

I've known this girl for some two months now, and my approach has been:

1) To attempt to treat her like any other girl and not be overawed by her looks. This is incredibly difficult, but I'm enjoying the challenge.

2) To shamelessly hit on other girls in front of her. This has been very successful- the girls I've used as social proof have not always been phenomenally good-looking (although some have been), but I have made girls laugh, got sexually submissive body language out of them, and even made out with a couple of them all whilst conscious of the HB10 looking at me.

3) To constantly make fun of her, to treat a lot of what she says as a joke, and to constantly surprise her. I generally avoid giving direct answers to her questions. The first time she met me, she attempted to talk over me whilst I was talking to a mutual friend. I told her to be quiet for a moment as I was speaking... that got her attention. I then portrayed myself (with an ironic smirk) as an English gentleman, kissed her hand, then slapped her ass. She loved it.

4) To find something she is insecure about and to drop hints to it fairly frequently. This girl is also very bright as well as being good looking, so I've teased her (sometimes pretty brutally bearing in mind the way everyone treats her like a goddess) for being a nerd and a workaholic.

I've had mixed success. Every time I meet this girl at parties, we have excellent banter, as good as I've had with any girl who's been into me. She responds well to kino and has initiated it herself on a number of occasions. She has asked me to treat her nicely and has (unsuccessfully) sought compliments from me several times. She even drunk texted me once telling me I should meet her at a certain party, but I was busy with another girl However.... she has responded negatively to all of my attempts to isolate her. I've invited her out for drinks 3 times, she's declined all 3 offers, counteroffering by inviting me to a party the same night on 2 of those occasions. Both times I ended up spending the evening with another girl who responded more positively to my date invitation.

Very interested to know your thoughts on how I should proceed. I'm very happy with my 2 current girls... but that's not to say I would object to a trade up

 

[OnTheWayUp]

bump

 

[demezel]

well actually you already have all the answers to your question so i presume the reason why you are asking is because she has turned you down every time you asked her out even though you did everything right.

- in that type of situation the only thing i can say is that she is either trying to play with you because that is what she is being doing her entire life due to the fact that everybody kiss her as5. Or she was not expected to be treated the way you treated her due to the all as5 kissing thing and doesnt really know if she is supposed to reject you and set dates when she feels like it in order to please her ego or accept you.

i have a question.. are you good looking? because if you are not that would be the reason to her being hesitant and all because her mind is definitely attracted to you. But again i am no expert and that is just my point of view.

 

[loveshogun]

How do you bag a girl like this- a girl who basks in male attention, and presumably has done for quite some time?

Simpler is better. Stop asking questions about how to do it, and just ask her out. If you don't know at this point whether she'd say yes, or whether you're "good enough" to ask her out, then you're not - work on it. ** just realized you've already done this and she's said no three times. Doing it again in the next three weeks (or even months) won't make a difference. Read the rest of my post with that in mind.

It's a long process, becoming awesome. And, it never really stops. But, you know, along the way, you'll have met at least 5 or 10 of these "10" women. And banged maybe half of them. Some of them might even be marriage/LTR material.

Whatever. Work on you. Stop asking questions about little tricks to get her to lower her guard, and instead become the kind of guy that she, and all women, would want to be with.

Remember - impressive people never have to TRY to impress others. They're just impressive. If you're -trying- to impress someone, that should tell you that you really don't think you're quite good enough, yet.

Keep your eyes open and your head up. You can get there.

 

[OnTheWayUp]

i have a question.. are you good looking? because if you are not that would be the reason to her being hesitant and all because her mind is definitely attracted to you.

I would rate myself a 6 or a 7 in looks alone. I'm slightly better than average looking, and girls have told me I have a nice face/ eyes before. I've learned to dress well in the last 2-3 years as well... that definitely helps. My body is not out of shape, but could do with some work in the gym to get to the level I want. I look much less good looking without clothes on- this is something I will be working on in the next few years.

I was thinking of another reason why she might have refused my date requests. She's got a bf (LDR), and as such she might not be comfortable with the dating frame which meeting for drinks could suggest. This would also explain her counteroffering by inviting me to parties: on some level she knows that she can rationalise a drunk hook up more easily than agreeing to meet up with me when sobre. She can say to her friends "it just happened, I was drunk" rather than "I made a conscious decision to date this guy even though I have a bf."

 

[OnTheWayUp]

It's a long process, becoming awesome. And, it never really stops. But, you know, along the way, you'll have met at least 5 or 10 of these "10" women. And banged maybe half of them. Some of them might even be marriage/LTR material.

Whatever. Work on you. Stop asking questions about little tricks to get her to lower her guard, and instead become the kind of guy that she, and all women, would want to be with.

Keep your eyes open and your head up. You can get there.

This is all good stuff, and very much the philosophy both this site and myself would advise men to follow. However, I feel you're making the assumption that this girl is somehow out of my league until I've improved further. This is something that I disagree with based on the ways she reacts to me when we meet in person (see OP). This is not to say that I feel I'm the complete package (who is?) or that I intend to stop improving. It's more that I feel I've reached a level where I should be able to pull a girl like this, and am wondering why she's giving me such mixed signals.

 

[Iceberg]

This is all good stuff, and very much the philosophy both this site and myself would advise men to follow. However, I feel you're making the assumption that this girl is somehow out of my league until I've improved further. This is something that I disagree with based on the ways she reacts to me when we meet in person (see OP).

You can base whatever you want on the way she reacts to you when you meet in person...

...are you getting what you want out of it (aka, a DATE)? No? Then something is wrong.

(see: Women's Actions vs. Women's Words)

This is not to say that I feel I'm the complete package (who is?) or that I intend to stop improving. It's more that I feel I've reached a level where I should be able to pull a girl like this, and am wondering why she's giving me such mixed signals.

Because some girls don't want to date you. They just want attention (it goes back to the whole "numbers game" idea we preach here).

Also, mixed signals are NEGATIVE signals. If a woman likes you and places value on you, then she'll assume other women place value on you. And in order to separate herself from those women (her competition), she will jump on an opportunity to date you. A woman giving mixed signals, and blatantly wasting your time is a woman who doesn't place high value on you.

I'm not saying she'll never bang you. I'm just saying that right now, whatever you're doing isn't working.

 

[Sofomore]

Hey man. I understand your situation. Take a second to recognize this is where your game is truly put to the test. You may have thoughts of "maybe I wont meet another girl like this" or "she's given me plenty of IOIs! Why does she resist!".

The way I see a DJ reacting is in two ways:

1. You try one more time, but this time go in for the kiss. "Make the ho say no"

2. You next her, and move on.

It's a harsh reality but I prefer #1. If you try you won't be thinking "what if".

 

[Sofomore]

Oh wait, she has a boyfriend? Move on dude.

Why are you even considering "dating" her? Take a step back and think like a MAN.

 

[metoo]

I'd have gone to the parties with her, if she was the one I was really interested in and she must be, since you post about her and not them. I think that you are smitten, bud.

 

[demezel]

I would rate myself a 6 or a 7 in looks alone. I'm slightly better than average looking, and girls have told me I have a nice face/ eyes before. I've learned to dress well in the last 2-3 years as well... that definitely helps. My body is not out of shape, but could do with some work in the gym to get to the level I want. I look much less good looking without clothes on- this is something I will be working on in the next few years.

I was thinking of another reason why she might have refused my date requests. She's got a bf (LDR), and as such she might not be comfortable with the dating frame which meeting for drinks could suggest. This would also explain her counteroffering by inviting me to parties: on some level she knows that she can rationalise a drunk hook up more easily than agreeing to meet up with me when sobre. She can say to her friends "it just happened, I was drunk" rather than "I made a conscious decision to date this guy even though I have a bf."

alright as long as you are not some big dude who smells like an entire farm you are good.. don't ever listen to the out of league deal or even think about it, we are all humans made out of flesh and bones there is no league. the only reason most fatties don't get the women they want is because they look like they don't take care of themselves while for a woman to stay a 10 she needs to shave, put make up, exercise eat right and many other stuff. while would she give her hard work to a man that does not appear like one?

anyway as long as you keep doing what you doing she'll give up but again dont give her too much attention, instead flirt a little bit with the second best looking chick, that will drive her crazy and make her feel insecure( as always).

her boyfriend must be an AFC because if he was not your game wouldnt have affected her, again chicks listen to their feelings, if she feels you she'll do you :yes: :yes:

 

[Cannalixfully]

How to get a 10

I worked for a Civil Engineering and Land Surveying Company on and off through college. Now ive got a good position there and am almost done with school. Of course the economy sucks right now and statesboro has seen a big slow down in my respective business. I was lucky in the fact that I enjoyed surveying so naturally it worked while i was in school. Getting a job around here is not that easy though becuase theres so much competition. There are a lot of 24-30 years olds looking for a lot of the jobs college students normally get because of the economy. Keep searching something will pop up

 

[OnTheWayUp]

I'd have gone to the parties with her, if she was the one I was really interested in and she must be, since you post about her and not them. I think that you are smitten, bud.

I'm really not smitten, and I hope my posts don't come over that way. Read the top and bottom of the OP again: I'm currently seeing two girls, and they're both really cool. I've actually been considering settling down into a relationship with one of them over the last week. I want to be prepared for when one of them asks me for exclusivity, which is bound to happen sooner or later.

The reason why I chose to go and see my other two girls rather than go to the parties with the HB10 is very simple. The more girls you date, the more you learn that it's always better to go for the sure thing than to be overambitious and chase a girl who's been giving you mixed signals. I've lost girls before by not following this rule. My actions rewarded the girls with the higher interest level and prevented me from chasing after a girl who should really be chasing me.

As you can see, smitten is the last thing I am. I'm just curious as to why she's giving me mixed signals and what I can do to improve.

 

[Aaron B]

grab her ass

give her a spanking when she's naughty

get physical

 

[OnTheWayUp]

You can base whatever you want on the way she reacts to you when you meet in person...

Because some girls don't want to date you. They just want attention.

I'm not saying she'll never bang you. I'm just saying that right now, whatever you're doing isn't working.

It's interesting... I've dated some 50 girls since October last year, and I feel that the experience has made it considerably easier for me to tell who's an AW and who's actually into me. With this particular girl, my instinct is that she likes me but is holding herself back for some reason. Perhaps I'm deluding myself and she is just an AW.

I agree that what I've been doing so far hasn't been enough... so what more could I potentially do?