How to Choose and Keep a woman

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How does one choose a woman wisely, one that will bear children, and once chosen, how does one ensure that she stays loyal?

I'd like your opinions, because I really don't know.


Thank you.

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I don't know either. But I'd say divorcees and girls who have slept with 20 guys by the time they are 20 are not a good choice.

So what's left? Not much.
 

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taiyuu_otoko said:
How does one choose a woman wisely, one that will bear children, and once chosen, how does one ensure that she stays loyal?

I'd like your opinions, because I really don't know.


Thank you.

Taiyuu

Hehe.

By first letting the heart choose, then letting the DJ mind lead the path.
 

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In a nutshell:

You have to date many women and watch for flags. You must assess why she's with you. You're looking for a woman who demonstrates that she's very much in love with you, who doesn't keep any exes hanging around, does not flirt with other men, a woman who has a giving nature, is flexible and goes along with your ideas and is honest with you. No drama, no arguments, she grows more in love with you then you are with her. If she has any baggage, she handles it well. She has no serious issues. She handles her finances and other responsibilities competently. She has a sense of humor and you make her laugh. You must be very attracted to her physically as well. Don't settle for less.

Let her chase you, let her show you that she wants you, not the other way around. We want to know that she's very much into us by her actions. She should be the one eventually asking you to marry her.

Take your time, don't rush to the altar. Once she expresses wanting to be exclusive, if she meets the criteria and you want her, then become exclusive. You're still evaluating her, because it's common that after people become exclusive, they let down their guard.

If after two years or so of being with each other she still meets the criteria, then she may be a good life partner.

You keep her by keeping her happy. What got her there keeps her there: you date your wife. You respect your wife in word and deed, especially important in times you do not feel particularly loving. You do not neglect her, nor abuse her nor dominate her nor become supplicant, you remain a challenge, true to your self journey in life. There is always the polarity of male/female dynamics at work in your relationship, not a co-equal "friendship" that is similar in nature to being a girlfriend.
 

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To choose a woman, Anti-Dump's Machine may be helpful.

There is a link at the bottom of this page called the DJ Bible. At the bottom of this is Anti-Dump's Machine.
 

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...how does one ensure that she stays loyal
You can't. Instead, pick a good one in the first place.

Sit down and write out a list of qualities you want in a woman, meaning the character attributes you respect in a woman. Save the physical attributes for another list. Here's mine...

  • Independent / mature, can take care of her finances, appearance, home, emotional well-being, etc.
  • Communicates maturely, not passive-aggressive
  • Has hobbies, one or more being a social hobby
  • No children, but wants some someday
  • Almost as smart, if not smarter, than me
  • Embraces her femininity, enjoys being sexy
  • Very thoughtful and considerate, tender and affectionate, cares about others
  • Has girlfriends, not guy friends
  • Strong morals, wants to do what is right
  • Can cook
  • Good relationship with her family, preferably parents are still together
  • Sense of humor, can be silly and playful, can laugh at self
  • Supports my endeavors, encourages success, not threatened by failures
  • Continuing self-improvement
  • Optimistic, not sad for a long time
  • Likes to wear dresses occasionally and looks good in them
  • Enjoys nice things, but does not require them
  • Shorter than me (Okay, that's more of a physical attribute, but while I'm at it...
  • Has a good looking mom that she’ll someday look like


After my divorce I made this list and then later compared my ex-wife to it and saw that she didn't measure up at all. That's when I realized that I deserved better.
 

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There's a thread somewhere where a bunch of guys posted lists of things they wanted in a woman. Not sure where it is, maybe someone can post a link if they know.
 

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Mr. Me nailed it. Mad props.
 

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taiyuu_otoko said:
How does one choose a woman wisely, one that will bear children, and once chosen, how does one ensure that she stays loyal?

I'd like your opinions, because I really don't know.


Thank you.

Taiyuu
Find a woman with that 50's state of mind. It's a lot of things you have to do to ensure she stays loyal. First is to put it down in the bedroom. Communication is a up their also. Do not lie to a woman. All those times that you lied it's stored in her memory. If you are dating more then one, then let her know. If you are out with a woman and another call and ask you what you are doing don't tell her you are fixing your mothers leaking water facet. Tell her you are out with a friend and you will call her later. If you are in a LTR do those little things, it will show that you care. IF you just met her don't give away your respect like holloween candy make her earn it. Most of all don't come out of pocket on these first encounters. You don't know this girl. You are on a date to see if you two are compatible not to feed her or blow $150.

I will let the rest of the forum respond
 

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SharpGame said:
You can't. Instead, pick a good one in the first place.

Sit down and write out a list of qualities you want in a woman, meaning the character attributes you respect in a woman. Save the physical attributes for another list. Here's mine...

  • Independent / mature, can take care of her finances, appearance, home, emotional well-being, etc.
  • Communicates maturely, not passive-aggressive
  • Has hobbies, one or more being a social hobby
  • No children, but wants some someday
  • Almost as smart, if not smarter, than me
  • Embraces her femininity, enjoys being sexy
  • Very thoughtful and considerate, tender and affectionate, cares about others
  • Has girlfriends, not guy friends
  • Strong morals, wants to do what is right
  • Can cook
  • Good relationship with her family, preferably parents are still together
  • Sense of humor, can be silly and playful, can laugh at self
  • Supports my endeavors, encourages success, not threatened by failures
  • Continuing self-improvement
  • Optimistic, not sad for a long time
  • Likes to wear dresses occasionally and looks good in them
  • Enjoys nice things, but does not require them
  • Shorter than me (Okay, that's more of a physical attribute, but while I'm at it...
  • Has a good looking mom that she’ll someday look like


After my divorce I made this list and then later compared my ex-wife to it and saw that she didn't measure up at all. That's when I realized that I deserved better.
Good List
 

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How does one choose a woman wisely...
You know, I was thinking about the first part of your question when I realized that this isn't how it works. It's always the woman that chooses the man.

In nature, you see the males in most species dancing around and putting on a show for a female and the female chooses the winner. It's no different with humans. Now it may seem like the human females are the ones putting on a show by wearing makeup and tight clothing, but really they're just increasing the number of males that will dance for them. It's neither right nor wrong, it's just nature.

So to get a good woman to choose you, you must become a man that a good woman will be attracted to. That does NOT mean to do things with the motivation of appeasing women. Just be the best man you can be. If you do that to the best of your ability and put yourself where they can see you, you won't have to try to find women. They'll find you.

And when they do, then compare her to your list (like the one I created above) to make sure she's someone you will respect and admire.
 

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don't pick a broken barbie, leave her on a shelf dude.
 

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SharpGame said:
You know, I was thinking about the first part of your question when I realized that this isn't how it works. It's always the woman that chooses the man.
I do not understand this. Every thread on here practically is about finding/choosing a woman worth our time. Where is the man in this equation not also choosing her? She just happens to choose back.. wtf? Two decisions here. She chooses you. You choose her.

WTF am I missing? All the time girls "choose" me and then I say no. I didn't realize if they chose me i wasn't allowed to choose to reject their choice.


fat ass? no. male choice
short hair? no.male choice
weird sounding voice? no.male choice
dances on bars? no.male choice
is stupid? no.male choice
 

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This is gonna sound a bit weird coming from me but I tend to think we are abandoning women as a whole here. Not all women that have issues should be NEXTED at the first sign of trouble ( no wonder none of you have GFs ). Now major damage I agree with such as North American women as a whole...yes. But what the hell guys, how come you are so willing to break it off? I swear this whole world is going down the tube and SS isn't helping its just pouring gasoline on the fire. I've been wrong before but right now with the girl I have, we've been through some major **** in the last 6 months but she tends to stand by me when the **** hits the fan, also I feel I've trained alot of **** out of her and I don't tolerate disrespect from her. However I care enough to point out the bad behaviour and she does her best to correct it.

Her personality has made a 180 since I met her and she has become a totally different person. I guess she knows I'm willing to walk if she doesn't fix it. (and Im worth fixing it for) Anyway we had a good discussion last night after sex and she turned on the water works when I said that I was considering leaving, she told me that since I've arrived she has had a major awakening in her life but also added a question "had I ever had a major awakening in my life and did it take me time to change?"

I would be a hypocrite if I didn't say YES. It was SS and yes it did take time to change, years infact. Anyway, women in my opinion are just like AFCS, its not their fault they've been inundated with all the govt/media/feminist BS.

LMS wants to escape the matrix but I want to destroy it all together. My plan? Upload a virus.

I like this approach, it makes sense to me because I, like most of us here, are sharing insights in an attempt to raise awareness about life and women and relationships.

I always try to keep an open mind, even when some of the attitudes and perspectives don't gel for me, since I'm a recovering AFC.
But not being one to ever follow a "party line", I always reserve final judgment as to whether and how the information and opinions gathered here will be incorporated into my life and evolution.

Actually, it's exciting to me the idea of melding SS wisdom with my own personal life experience and approach to life.

And yes it does make me uncomfortable when I perceive a SS "party line" or dogma.

Everything should be subject to being questioned, hopefully resulting in reinforcing the good stuff and eliminating inappropriate and stale material.

The idea of working with willing women also appeals to me. What's cooler than a woman who thinks enough of you and herself to engage in a process of focused, committed growth in a relationship? Yeah, there are hopeless or too large situations, so it's always our call if we want to play...
 

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SharpGame said:
You can't. Instead, pick a good one in the first place.

Sit down and write out a list of qualities you want in a woman, meaning the character attributes you respect in a woman. Save the physical attributes for another list. Here's mine...

  • Independent / mature, can take care of her finances, appearance, home, emotional well-being, etc.
  • Communicates maturely, not passive-aggressive
  • Has hobbies, one or more being a social hobby
  • No children, but wants some someday
  • Almost as smart, if not smarter, than me
  • Embraces her femininity, enjoys being sexy
  • Very thoughtful and considerate, tender and affectionate, cares about others
  • Has girlfriends, not guy friends
  • Strong morals, wants to do what is right
  • Can cook
  • Good relationship with her family, preferably parents are still together
  • Sense of humor, can be silly and playful, can laugh at self
  • Supports my endeavors, encourages success, not threatened by failures
  • Continuing self-improvement
  • Optimistic, not sad for a long time
  • Likes to wear dresses occasionally and looks good in them
  • Enjoys nice things, but does not require them
  • Shorter than me (Okay, that's more of a physical attribute, but while I'm at it...
  • Has a good looking mom that she’ll someday look like


After my divorce I made this list and then later compared my ex-wife to it and saw that she didn't measure up at all. That's when I realized that I deserved better.
Great list. If a girl has 90% of these than she is a keeper.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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ok, first things first.

nothing in life is a guarantee. nothing.

which is why the first thing a man must do is learn how to roll with lifes punches. if you can't accept the possibility of the worst case scenario, then you shouldn't take the risk. whether it be getting married, investing, etc.

your attitude towards women and marriage will determine at least 50% of the outcome. act like an AFC and your odds of having a crappy marriage go up significantly.

secondly, as for what to look for in a woman. the best advice i can give is to find a woman whose dream was YOU - ie. falling in love.

women who are getting married because its on their checklist of things to do in life, because they want kids, because they want their friends to envy them, because they want a house, because time is running out, etc. - are women who 5 years down the road will get bored with their marriage.

have you ever seen the movie Rocky? the first one. Rocky falls in love with Adrian. and she falls in love with him. not because he'll be rich. not because she wants kids. she's in love with HIM, for better or for worse. he's just a dumb broke wanna be boxer with no future, yet she loves HIM.

you should never ever ever ever get married unless your woman sees you as the absolutely one and only man for her.

as to how you identify whether this is the case... a lot of it is based on intangibles. does she complain about your behavior a lot? is she trying to change you? does she focus on what you will give her (kids, house, etc.) instead of YOU.

another thing to keep in mind is that people tend to be one fo two sets. either they are takers, or they are givers.

takers always look at the world and ask 'what am i getting from this?'. now EVERYONE is in a situation for what they are getting - if they weren't getting something from a situation they wouldn't bother with it right?

but givers go beyond looking at just what THEY are getting. they also ask themselves what are they giving? are they being a good partner? are they supporting their man?

now some guys will say - 'give me a break, women are totally selfish.' but this is very untrue. a woman who is really in to YOU will bend over backwards to make sure you are happy.

the big mistake most men make is that they marry women who aren't givers. and as a result they end up with a woman who is always complaining about how their man isn't good enough, how hes done this or that wrong, etc.

now you might say 'where are these givers?'

actually they are everywhere - but they generally aren't the chic at the bar wearing the sl*t gear. these women are often less assuming. you have to keep your eyes peeled because they often are more quiet than other women and kind of melt into the background.
 

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Alright, confession time; I purposely held back from posting anything on this thread after telling TAIYUU to follow up this topic in a new thread. I did so because I wanted to see what everyone's initial response would be. I'll admit there's been some good stuff posted here, but it's mostly what I've come to expect. I should also add that I think it's encouraging to finally see a few responses that aren't locked into this unconscious identifying with what women expect men to look for in women in order to get a shot at their intimacy. Physicality (and the maintaining of it) is in no way "shallow" or "superficial" and I'm glad to see guys unafraid to come to terms about this.

To start off, TAIYUU, forget about looking for individual traits, characteristics and qualities (*shudder*) of women and think about yourself for a bit. Who are you? What are you about? What will you become in your ideal future? You asked me about this in another thread and you wanted be to presume you were 21 instead of 41. That's tough to do, because you aren't the same person at 41 as 21. Never let anyone convince you that your personality is always static. People change, regularly. Whether gradually or as a result of some traumatic event, you are not the same person you were even 2 years ago, much less 20.

I'm of the opinion that at 21, the last thing on a Man's mind ought to be marriage, to say the least of monogamy of any kind. There's too much to do, too many opportunities to explore, too much need for personal freedoms to grow and mature effectively that the responsibilities, accountabilities and liabilities that monogamy or marriage will limit you from. Even in the best of relationships, the requisites of time and effort will only retard a Man's personal growth. Add children to this, planned or unplanned, and you can see where this leads.

If you want a good healthy relationship in the future, have the courage now to be self-concerned. Some (mostly women) will call this selfish, so be it. Self-concern at an early stage sets the course for your ability to be the best YOU you can be in the future, and thus give you the experience, maturity and discernment to be able to separate a woman you may want to spend the rest of your life with from one you just want to spend the night with.

I could go on and elaborate more on the lists of attributes a woman should possess that others have outlined here, but I think that the prime element Men need to consider is themselves first. Most guys spend half their lives trying to figure out what it is that women want in order to achieve their rewarded intimacy instead of trying to figure out what a woman should do to measure up to warrant the reward of his (presumed) life long provision of security. Too many men don't think realistically in the long term in this respect and they find themselves in damaging LTRs or marriages, divorced and/or with children looking up questioningly to them as a fallout of not having put themselves as the PRIZE first. For all the selfishness a woman will accuse such a man of, it's far more selfish to expect children to bear the brunt of either parent's irresponsibility and lack of maturity - especially when it's voluntary.

So, how do you choose a woman? You stop thinking of it in terms of choice. That's not to say you don't choose a woman, but it is to say don't become fixated on that choice. This makes you necessitous and puts you into the position of qualifying for a woman. You have to know what you're about. Personally, I've had sex with many women and I know what I'm about in this respect. When I decided to marry Mrs. Tomassi I had already established in my subconscious that if I were to marry any one woman she would have to be beautiful enough and maintain it enough to keep me loyal. I've cheated on many women in the past because of exactly this. I know me, I've seen me do it before. She met and still meets this requirement for me and now that we've matured together and have a life and daughter invested in our marriage I could never stray.

This is just one example, and it's an easy one, but there are many other facets that fall under the same idea. You will NEVER find an ideal mate, there will always be something less than ideal, but the wisdom comes from knowing what you can or cannot cope with by knowing yourself first.

Keeping a woman is very simple, you simply let her go. Nothing is genuine that isn't freely given. You lover should never be a prisoner. If you want genuine, real, unsolicited, unnegotiated, desire she has to want to be with you. I go into this in the Desire Dynamic thread. You cannot coerce loyalty. You cannot force fidelity. You have to be the Man she chooses to be with and hold her genuine desire and respect. This is how you keep a woman - you constantly stay on top of your game.
 

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How do you get a woman?

Live your life like a MAN.

How do you keep a woman?

Don't change the way you live.
 

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usually the right woman will initially feel like the wrong one.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
I'm of the opinion that at 21, the last thing on a Man's mind ought to be marriage, to say the least of monogamy of any kind. There's too much to do, too many opportunities to explore, too much need for personal freedoms to grow and mature effectively that the responsibilities, accountabilities and liabilities that monogamy or marriage will limit you from. Even in the best of relationships, the requisites of time and effort will only retard a Man's personal growth. Add children to this, planned or unplanned, and you can see where this leads.
So what about young guys in their early 20s who are settling down with their high school sweethearts? I personally know of handful of 20/21 year olds that are engaged or married. When I ask them why they decided to tie the knot only after dating for, at the least, 2 years? They all come back with a similar response:

"Well, she is the right one for me. We love each other and love spending time with each other. We also grow together because I have my career to settle down in and she has her job on the side."

Well, you see where that response is going. They genuinely believe that they've found the one and can grow with the other person.

I constantly ask myself, "Are they just lying to themselves so the reality of long-term consequences is masked, and perhaps buried with their lies?" The tragedy isn't that I pity these guys, some who are dear to me, and I desperately hope that things turn out for them even if they abandon their souls. The tragedy is that almost all of them have the potential to grow and achieve their wildest dreams but they're throwing it all away for a nice 2-bedroom apartment.
 
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