How the decline in casual dinning parallels a man’s struggles in modern dating

[sangheilios]

Say what you will, but at 50, I pulled and dated a 19-year-old for more than a year. And now, she's in her mid-20s, and she spends time with me between relationships. Do I, or can I do it all the time? No, but it's possible. Of course, I know what's going through your mind : she's fat, ugly, crazy, drug-addicted has Daddy issues, or whatever platitudes you need to. The truth is she was and is gorgeous. I've provided receipts to another member here, who will chime in to verify what I say, if he wants to, and she’s a smoke show, no money exchanged hands, just a whole lot of sex, mentorship and companionship.

She's 25 now and drives countless hours to spend weekends with me now and then. I'm probably a 7-7.5 age adjusted.

Given your general tone and demeanor with the men on this board, men who are here to provide mentorship and advice and only want to see other men succeed, you lack in personal development and people skills, which is your Achilles heel when it comes to women.

I'll go with the assumption that this is a real story, did you use money as a means to draw this woman in, yes or no? A girl barely out of high school does NOT go for men that are this much older than she is, it's so insanely rare and unusual it's not worth considering. An "older" guy to a 19 year old will be some dude that is 21-25 or so, basically a guy that can legally buy alcohol. Women in this age range are not going for substantially older men unless money is involved, end of discussion. Hell, at my age, 34, I can't even imagine entertaining a girl in this age range lol, she would be annoying and there would be absolutely NOTHING we'd have in common.

I don't care if this actually happened or not, the reality is that this rarely happens in the real world and is therefore not worth considering.

A good example of a large age gap would be Donald Trump and Melania, who is about 30 years his junior. I don't care about how charming she says he is, the reality was that he was/is a billionaire and she was attracted to his wealth and influence. Let's say Trump was the same person but an otherwise typical multi millionaire, so fairly normal. This woman would NEVER have given him a chance.

 

[sangheilios]

Hahaha, sure...believe that if it makes you feel better waking up next to an empty side of the bed every morning.

If you actually had a woman so much younger that is a "stunner" then why the hell are you posting so much on here, and not only but you are a moderator? This makes absolutely no sense, I actually kind of feel sorry for you that you need to live out this strange reality on here.

Please stop responding to me

 

[Millard Fillmore]

This thread just proves to me that people end up where they want to end up.

 

[sangheilios]

This thread just proves to me that people end up where they want to end up.

You're a complete fool if you buy into any of the stuff that particular poster has been claiming. Keep telling yourself that you can be 40+ and be slaying attractive women, particularly those in their 20s, left and right lol. I have news for you, you are going to be in for a rough time if you delude yourself into believing this phony baloney nonsense.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I'll go with the assumption that this is a real story, did you use money as a means to draw this woman in, yes or no?

As I said in my post : no money exchanged hands. We matched on OLD, she didn’t have her age listed, we chatted a bit, and she agreed to meet, I figured it was a one night stand, she was bored or daddy issues and I did t care because she was drop dead gorgeous to me, then this smart, thoughtful college sophomore emerged that exceeded every expectation. I thought she was 22-23 based on what I’d pulled before in college towns, turns out I could not take her for a drink. She was funny about it too, I asked for her ID, she produced it. We saw each other repeatedly and she spent the night countless times. She didn’t and does not drink and has developed her body from a already sensuous body into a gym bod after I wrote her a weightlifting split. She listened to a lot of the music I did and we had very interesting conversations all the time.

I left her, because I wanted her to have a full life. And consistently told her this was a fall-spring relationship. She suggested we get married and began to send me articles and research about large age gapped marriages. I actually considered it for a while, but being out of a marriage and having kids already woke me the f up. She had a plan: finish her degree and get married and have two kids, she was and is utterly squared away to my knowledge. She is following her plan, but complains about younger men utterly sucking at life. I give her advice when she asks for it.

 

[sangheilios]

As I said in my post : no money exchanged hands. We matched on OLD, she didn’t have her age listed, we chatted a bit, and she agreed to meet, I figured it was a one night stand, she was bored or daddy issues and I did t care because she was drop dead gorgeous to me, then this smart, thoughtful college sophomore that exceeded every expectation. I thought she was 22-23 based on what I’d pulled before in college towns, turns out I could not take her for a drink. She was funny about it too, I asked for her ID, she produced it. We saw each other repeatedly and she spent the night countless times. She didn’t and does not drink and has developed her body from a already sensuous body into a gym bod after I wrote her a weightlifting split. She listened to a lot of the music I did and we had very interesting conversations all the time.

I left her, because I wanted her to have a full life. And consistently told her this was a fall-spring relationship. She suggested we get married and began to send me articles and research about large age gapped marriages. I actually considered it for a while, but being out of a marriage and having kids already woke me the f up. She had a plan: finish her degree and get married and have two kids, she was and is utterly squared away to my knowledge. She is following her plan, but complains about younger men utterly sucking at life. I give her advice when she asks for it.

I don't care if this did or did not happen, it makes no difference to me. The reality is that something like this would be incredibly rare for a middle aged man to experience and it's not even worth considering. Rare outlier cases like this can happen, though thinking that it is to be normal or expected is delusional. A middle aged man that is single should be expecting to date women roughly his own age, this means they are very likely single mothers, overweight, etc. The overwhelming majority of women in this realistic dating age range fall within this bracket. Women in their 20s don't need to go for a 50 year old man, they have plenty of guys around their age to choose from.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I don't care if this did or did not happen, it makes no difference to me. The reality is that something like this would be incredibly rare for a middle aged man to experience and it's not even worth considering. Rare outlier cases like this can happen, though thinking that it is to be normal or expected is delusional. A middle aged man that is single should be expecting to date women roughly his own age, this means they are very likely single mothers, overweight, etc. The overwhelming majority of women in this realistic dating age range fall within this bracket. Women in their 20s don't need to go for a 50 year old man, they have plenty of guys around their age to choose from.

Yes you are correct, but it is proof that an older guy can bed younger women. I was in the best shape of my life 6 pack and shredded, I am handsome by most measures and I am upper middle class and possess 4 degrees. If I can do it others can, not saying it’s possible for most but that it is in fact possible. Being a man that is interesting and successful and better than average, at an average height is capable.

Again, if not obvious a handful of years ago I was dating gals in their 20’s, regularly and getting laid by them.

 

[corrector]

You guys picked on me for my blackpill copes and now @sangheilios is on your case. When the chadspainers go from picking on the incel to now trying to defend their ludicrous results as NORMAL to the normies you know this is now a level of circus.

 

[Solomon]

You guys picked on me for my blackpill copes and now @sangheilios is on your case. When the chadspainers go from picking on the incel to now trying to defend their ludicrous results as NORMAL to the normies you know this is now a level of circus.

The reality is a lot of guys fail with women and then they project their results unto other men, the truth is I could post pictures of guys who do not fit the "Chad/Tyrone" archetype that I know personally. These guys are getting tons of tail including a guy who is a 5'2 pilot, but according to this site that's impossible cause he's 5'2, yet his confidence infield makes him act like he's 6'2!

I reckon a lotta of guys here get/got rejected a ton and are butthurt about it also I reckon a lot of men in general (and here) suffer from various things but I would reckon lotta guys are autistic, don't know how to talk to women in a flirty engaging way, lack truth confidence hence so many guys are obsessed with Chad and looks thinking it will compensate for their lame personalities.

 

[characternote]

Chad and looks thinking it will compensate for their lame personalities

in fairness, it's no more daft than thinking that 'flirting in an engaging way'/showing good social skills/conversation with a girl half your age who is very pretty whilst you are fat old and bald will get her in bed lol.

Attraction always comes first. If you are not her type, then the 'flirting' is simply unwanted attention.

And yeah, no old short guy is banging a tonne of hot 19 year old girls from online dating!! (unless he's paying for it). Lets be real lol

 

[corrector]

The reality is a lot of guys fail with women and then they project their results unto other men, the truth is I could post pictures of guys who do not fit the "Chad/Tyrone" archetype that I know personally. These guys are getting tons of tail including a guy who is a 5'2 pilot, but according to this site that's impossible cause he's 5'2, yet his confidence infield makes him act like he's 6'2!

I reckon a lotta of guys here get/got rejected a ton and are butthurt about it also I reckon a lot of men in general (and here) suffer from various things but I would reckon lotta guys are autistic, don't know how to talk to women in a flirty engaging way, lack truth confidence hence so many guys are obsessed with Chad and looks thinking it will compensate for their lame personalities.

You brought up copes in your earlier posts and conceded some guys need them. Do you really believe what you are saying?

(Working from home and between calls and being paid while I am writing this, seeing I have to defend this too now).

 

[Solomon]

in fairness, it's no more daft than thinking that 'flirting in an engaging way'/showing good social skills/conversation with a girl half your age who is very pretty whilst you are fat old and bald will get her in bed lol.

Attraction always comes first. If you are not her type, then the 'flirting' is simply unwanted attention.

And yeah, no old short guy is banging a tonne of hot 19 year old girls from online dating!! (unless he's paying for it). Lets be real lol

Is everyone on this site old and bald? i don't think so, I thought it was understood that being in shape in 2024 is a must?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Blind Men and the Elephant

Blind Men and the Elephant - Read this famous Indian fable. What is the meaning? How can it be interpreted? Is there a bigger message?

www.allaboutphilosophy.org

We each find our success in a different way. And are often incapable of seeing another way of achieving success, other than our own.
In my case, I have a good face. And I really cannot relate to someone who has used another (physique, Game, personality...) as a means to success. What works for me won't work for others and vice-versa.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

The reality is a lot of guys fail with women and then they project their results unto other men, the truth is I could post pictures of guys who do not fit the "Chad/Tyrone" archetype that I know personally. These guys are getting tons of tail including a guy who is a 5'2 pilot, but according to this site that's impossible cause he's 5'2, yet his confidence infield makes him act like he's 6'2!

I reckon a lotta of guys here get/got rejected a ton and are butthurt about it also I reckon a lot of men in general (and here) suffer from various things but I would reckon lotta guys are autistic, don't know how to talk to women in a flirty engaging way, lack truth confidence hence so many guys are obsessed with Chad and looks thinking it will compensate for their lame personalities.

Actually. Being good looking (Chad?) will compensate for just about anything. However, it is clear that one can achieve one's goals through other means than being good looking.

 

[zekko]

The economy is doing terrible.

You should see all the people who try to convince me otherwise, lol.

 

[corrector]

Actually. Being good looking (Chad?) will compensate for just about anything. However, it is clear that one can achieve one's goals through other means than being good looking.

To be the devil's advocate, you did admit that after your divorce you went to the gym and self-improved. A face if you are overweight or obese is not the same face if it's at 12% bf. Is that your experience as well before and after you hit the gym?

Going back to point here...it seems that @Pierce Manhammer is on my case because I have not looksmaxxed or gymmaxxed (thanks for liking his posts and then posting blackpill things afterwards!). I feel I may be in for disappointment because it looks like I have deep issues trying to get most women for any baseline level of attraction in the first place. I mean if you have a good facial features then even if you are obese you are still going to be able to pull, just not as frequently or high-up the looks scale compared to being in shape. It won't be as extreme like my case or your incel friends who have even paid professionals rejecting them, right?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

To be the devil's advocate, you did admit that after your divorce you went to the gym and self-improved. A face if you are overweight or obese is not the same face if it's at 12% bf. Is that your experience as well before and after you hit the gym?

Going back to point here...it seems that @Pierce Manhammer is on my case because I have not looksmaxxed or gymmaxxed (thanks for liking his posts and then posting blackpill things afterwards!). I feel I may be in for disappointment because it looks like I have deep issues trying to get most women for any baseline level of attraction in the first place. I mean if you have a good facial features then even if you are obese you are still going to be able to pull, just not as frequently or high-up the looks scale compared to being in shape. It won't be as extreme like my case or your incel friends who have even paid professionals rejecting them, right?

Yeah. I did lose BF. Probably at least 10%. Made a HUGE dfference.

I’m fairly Blackpilled. But, as was my BF reduction experience, I’m also big believer in self-improvement.

The look on the stripper’s face when I suggested she entertain him instead of me is indelibly etched into my brain. As if I suggested she wash her hair in pig urine.

As for her being a ‘professional’. It’s a bit of a grey area. Prostitution is illegal here. And. The police actually do enforce it on occasion. One doesn’t normally go to a strip club here and expect more than a lap dance. I certainly didn’t expect: ‘For one hundred dollars you can take me in the back and do anything you want to me.’. I don’t even know if that is a good price or not.
But. It seemed a reasonable price to get my buddy, who is a broke virgin, some pu$$ finally.

 

[corrector]

Yeah. I did lose BF. Probably at least 10%. Made a HUGE dfference.

Right, if you didn't make that change and kept the weight or gained weight, you would still be able to attract women? Just not as frequently and maybe not as hot, but you wouldn't be incel right?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Right, if you didn't make that change and kept the weight or gained weight, you would still be able to attract women? Just not as frequently and maybe not as hot, but you wouldn't be incel right?

Well. I wound up divorcing my wife because she no longer found me attractive & sexually desireable. However, after my weight loss. She wanted me back & was an FWB for a while.

Would I have been an incel? I start to go nuts when I’m not involved with some woman. I become a different person. One of my friends described me (the few times I was single), as a ‘maddened bull.’. So. Maybe through sheer exertion I could have gotten someone.

 

[corrector]

I don’t even know if that is a good price or not.

For you it's not worth it, because why would you pay for something you could get for free. At best it should not be more than $ 20 if you wanted to get techy about it. She's attracted to you so she wants you, it's not appropriate for her to charge anything above $ 20.

But. It seemed a reasonable price to get my buddy, who is a broke virgin, some pu$$ finally.

It was not offered to your buddy though, which can be interpreted as a rejection.

You must have to feel bad for all of your incel friends. You live in a different reality than they do. You have all the breaks and they have all the pain.