How Should Allen Handle all the Anti-Feminism Content Being Posted Here?

[Wyldfire]

I've noticed quite a few people post that they are getting frustrated with all the anti-feminism posts. Personally, I've noticed a substantial increase in this material for quite awhile now. I also think this stuff brings so much negativity onto this forum and that it's really taking away from the site.

So...here is a poll asking what everyone thinks should be done about the situation, if anything.

 

[STR8UP]

There is a difference between crying, "Fukk all women", and addressing REAL issues that affect the way men a women relate to each other.

Why does this get so far under your skin?

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by JC Jerkson
Wyldfire are you serious??

You've been here since '01 and you know that this site has ALWAYS been that way. If people don't like it they can leave.


JC

No, it hasn't always been this way. It used to be just an occassional mention of this stuff. Now it's daily and is having a very negative impact on the forum. There are some members who ONLY post about this stuff. That means they are obsessing over it, and that's not healthy for them OR this site. I think there should be a special forum for this stuff and that it should all be kept there, that's the option I chose.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by STR8UP
There is a difference between crying, "Fukk all women", and addressing REAL issues that affect the way men a women relate to each other.

Why does this get so far under your skin?

But the posts usually aren't addressing REAL issues. Have you seen the thread about Laci Peterson's mother? That is a fairly common example of the type of posts this forum is being infected with. When men start looking for bias against them in everything they do, hear and read it's very damaging to their mental and emotional health. I'm not the only one who has noticed this.

 

[Desdinova]

I've noticed quite a few people post that they are getting frustrated with all the anti-feminism posts.

Wyld, all you're really doing is feeding the problem by making an issue out of it. It's not even that, it's that a woman is making an issue out of it. My becoming a defensive woman, you're only going to drive the anti-feminism and the woman hating attitude up.

Let this sosuave "fad" pass just like Speed Seduction and Ganji Games did.

 

[Visceral]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
But the posts usually aren't addressing REAL issues. Have you seen the thread about Laci Peterson's mother? That is a fairly common example of the type of posts this forum is being infected with. When men start looking for bias against them in everything they do, hear and read it's very damaging to their mental and emotional health. I'm not the only one who has noticed this.

You forget that feminists have been doing exactly this since the Sixties, looking for anything they can twist into an attack on or insult against women, then use it as leverage to guilt-trip society in order to get their way ... and it worked brilliantly; society is now as hostile to masculine heterosexual men as it once was to women and gays/lesbians.

To say that a means to an end is appropriate when you use it to achieve your goals but inappropriate when another uses it to achieve his goals is a double standard. To not only support but make use of a gender-based double standard while calling yourself a feminist is hypocrisy.

When you do something, you invite others to do it also - shrill irrationality got the feminists what they wanted, so why can't it do the same thing for us? After all, vocal expressions of outrage and the guilt of those who hear them and do nothing are the only real weapons the oppressed have at their disposal.

 

[Wyldfire]

Two wrongs don't make a right...

Yeah, I am a woman who is pointing it out, but I'm also a woman who doesn't buy into feminism. All anyone has to do is read Pooks "Feminism on Trial" thread in Tips to realize that.

It's really spawning so much negativity on this forum. It's so unhealthy for the men here. I'm not speaking out against this trend because it's harming me. It's not. I'm speaking out because it is harming the men here, and their work at sorting their lives out is hard enough without them being sucked in by this stuff when they are so vulnerable to getting stuck in a negative mindset. It's really not good for the guys here and stands to cause a great deal of problems for them, as well as distractions from bettering themselves.

 

[wavejams007]

Wyldefire, this is something that you, because you are a woman, will not be able to fix, no matter how much you post. On the other hand, there are five fingers. Seriously, onthe other hand, this poll could be viewed as having an agenda to it, and not really objective, considering the source. You are going to need a lot more support from both sexes to change anything, and the most practical solution is to just ignore all the posts that involve feminism, so less will flame you.

 

[Mr. Unique]

I am one of few who voted for ''Put up a Men's Rights Forum and only allow those posts in that section'' because i felt sorry that it wasnt getting enough votes and I am thinking of cleareing my cookies to vote for it again, I really dont care though I just voted because It was their, so dont count my votes.sorry

Edit: I cleared my cookies now ''Put up a Men's Rights Forum and only allow those posts in that section'' has two votes from me.

 

[Mr. Unique]

what do you guys mean by ''fad'', speed seduction will no longer work? of course it will work so what do you mean?.

 

[ethnomethodologist]

Hey wyldfire, you hear it all the time, how bout you shut them up by being right sometimes? You know why comedy is funny? It's funny because it is right, and everybody thinks it's wrong. Feminism is here to stay, if it was here a hundred thousand years ago, the world WOULD be a better place.

You admitted this to yourself already, why make us suffer, unless your trying to teach us a lesson, by making two wrongs right?

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I hope you know how to look past what is right in front of your face, and know what your talking about. Or learn that you've got to make mistakes to learn something. I've suffered bitter consequences for my actions, I accept them everyday, more so now than ever, I'm not lying when I say people throw themselves at me and give me lavish gifts for looking to improve myself by ****ing up and admitting it in front of them.

In the other thread about bitter feminist cvnts I told you I respected you, and I incited anger in you so you would let your true feelings flow, I still haven;t gotten back to you about that... So is this a call-out against men in general? You are just being an anti- anti-feminist, I agree with you, and I don't know what should be done about it, or somebody who has more knowledge than I do already would have.

My friend just interrupted me while I was typing this, so sorry if this got off track pretty fast. Why argue against something, if it really means something to the people? Why not just ask the right questions when it's really neededinstead of giving the mods more work to do, because people are getting angry about not understanding the subject?

 

[Desdinova]

Ganji Games is a huge part of my game and it works VERY well.

what do you guys mean by ''fad'', speed seduction will no longer work? of course it will work so what do you mean?.

I'm not talking about the effectiveness of these techniques. I'm talking about the whole trend on sosuave in general. Back in 2001, a good half of the members here were into SS. Now I only occasionally see a post about it.

When the Ganji post was made, everyone was using it. Again, recently I don't see much mention of Ganji.

This board has moments where it goes through "fads" that everyone is into, anti-feminism included. All these things will remain on sosuave, but the hype will die down. It's very similar to how society works. Remember the Furby, Pogs, and Vanilla Ice? They're all still around, but the hype has died down.

 

[Oxide]

I think i speak for all the man on this site when i say

"We don't really give a fukk"

I know i don't.

 

[Mr. Unique]

Originally posted by Desdinova
I'm not talking about the effectiveness of these techniques. I'm talking about the whole trend on sosuave in general. Back in 2001, a good half of the members here were into SS. Now I only occasionally see a post about it.

When the Ganji post was made, everyone was using it. Again, recently I don't see much mention of Ganji.

This board has moments where it goes through "fads" that everyone is into, anti-feminism included. All these things will remain on sosuave, but the hype will die down. It's very similar to how society works. Remember the Furby, Pogs, and Vanilla Ice? They're all still around, but the hype has died down.

Hey, maybe getting everyone back to the SS trend will be the solution to this sites problem, I mean everyone posts about how this site went downhill and how 4 years ago this site was the greatest.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Mr. Unique
Hey, maybe getting everyone back to the SS trend will be the solution to this sites problem, I mean everyone posts about how this site went downhill and how 4 years ago this site was the greatest.

I was here in 2001 and the quality of this site has gone downhill drastically. I can even pinpoint the reasons.

1) The sense of community is gone. People used to actually try to be helpful to each other. There wasn't all this "go read the bible you stupid newb" and moderators NEVER told members to use PMs and Anything Else was open to friendly banter and anything but politics. People were much more interested in helping each other and treating each other with respect because they knew they would only get as much as they contributed.

2) Members actually made progress and grew with time. That growth has been stunted because there is almost a total lack of responsibility by the members. It used to be that guys would post about their problems or mistakes and actually pick themselves apart and take responsibility and acknowledge where they screwed up. That has changed so much and is probably the single most destructive change to the site. It's very rare to see anyone post and hold themselves accountable. Now it's a huge circle jerk of blaming anyone and anything but yourself for things that go wrong. This is where all this anti feminism stuff has been so harmful. It's encouraging men to blame women and feminism rather than actually looking to improve themselves. Since I'm not here to learn as most of you are...it's so easy for me to see and couldn't be more obvious. I'm able to see the situation a little more objectively.

Yes, men's rights is a subject that is important to men...but it doesn't belong here. Why? Because the ONLY way a guy can really benefit from this site is to take responsibility for their mistakes and be prepared to better themselves. If they are being encouraged to blame women, feminism or anything else for their failures they will not make any real progress. That's why this site has so many keyboard jockeys and the content sucks. There is no growth because there is too much blaming and not enouch holding themselves accountable.

The anti-feminism stuff is a distraction that is preventing guys from focusing on what they came here for. It's rotting the place from the inside out and frankly, it's really sad to watch.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Mr. Unique
Hey, maybe getting everyone back to the SS trend will be the solution to this sites problem, I mean everyone posts about how this site went downhill and how 4 years ago this site was the greatest.

I was here in 2001 and the quality of this site has gone downhill drastically. I can even pinpoint the reasons.

1) The sense of community is gone. People used to actually try to be helpful to each other. There wasn't all this "go read the bible you stupid newb" and moderators NEVER told members to use PMs and Anything Else was open to friendly banter and anything but politics. People were much more interested in helping each other and treating each other with respect because they knew they would only get as much as they contributed.

2) Members actually made progress and grew with time. That growth has been stunted because there is almost a total lack of responsibility by the members. It used to be that guys would post about their problems or mistakes and actually pick themselves apart and take responsibility and acknowledge where they screwed up. That has changed so much and is probably the single most destructive change to the site. It's very rare to see anyone post and hold themselves accountable. Now it's a huge circle jerk of blaming anyone and anything but yourself for things that go wrong. This is where all this anti feminism stuff has been so harmful. It's encouraging men to blame women and feminism rather than actually looking to improve themselves. Since I'm not here to learn as most of you are...it's so easy for me to see and couldn't be more obvious. I'm able to see the situation a little more objectively.

Yes, men's rights is a subject that is important to men...but it doesn't belong here. Why? Because the ONLY way a guy can really benefit from this site is to take responsibility for their mistakes and be prepared to better themselves. If they are being encouraged to blame women, feminism or anything else for their failures they will not make any real progress. That's why this site has so many keyboard jockeys and the content sucks. There is no growth because there is too much blaming and not enough holding themselves accountable.

The anti-feminism stuff is a distraction that is preventing guys from focusing on what they came here for. It's rotting the place from the inside out and frankly, it's really sad to watch.

 

[Alicorn]

When 50% of the prison population is black, people call it racism. When 90% of the prison population is MALE, no one sees the sexism. Yet America is clearly a sexist nation and Myldfire is just adding fuel to the bull****.

Jesus Christ woman shouldn't you be trolling prisons for a new husband? Or did the local pen run out of guys willing to date you?

I hear federal prisons have some nice men you could meat.

mmm... meat...

:cheer:

 

[The Bad Ass Canadian]

I had a feeling that the votes would pretty much give us the ratio of who is bitter about this whole issue and who isn't...... Judging by the amount of posts that bash women (ironically on a site developed to help us get them, nonetheless) and those who feel secure enough in themselves to not blame it all on the "feminist movement" i'd say, my hunch holds true.

I'd like to see a sepreate forum for all of it, but then again, i don't need to read anything about it, on these forums.. so i guess a new place is pointless.

 

[So Many Ways]

Anti-feminist posts don't bother me at all and at times they are actually beneficial, as you can see what's going on. Of course anything can be taken too far, and I'm not the one to call all women "bytches and hoes", that's not my style. However, discussing the effects that feminism has had on the modern day mating dance is definitely purposeful and relevant. Yeah, some take things too far and become mysogynists and that's unfortunate, but inevitable.

Another thing, if guys weren't taking personal responsiblity for their dating lives, what would they be doing here? We're all here because we want to improve our dating lives. If someone is frustrated and wants to vent, I don't see what the big deal is, it's better than venting in public.

 

[frivolousz21]

When 90% of the prison population is MALE, no one sees the sexism.

maybe because they commited the crimes?