Jeffst1980
Master Don Juan
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Want a wake up call from all the intellectualizing of pickup ideology? Watch clips of "Keys to the VIP" on youtube.
These are, for the most part, guys that have very little game, and you will seem them do stupid things like buy drinks for girls, ask girls if they like them, and beg for kisses. It is seriously uncomfortable viewing, but the crazy thing is: it WORKS for these guys a lot of the time!
The reason? Even the most AFC of them is not afraid to put himself out there and risk rejection...sometimes even MULTIPLE rejections. This is really the ONLY trait you MUST have if you want to succeed with women; you must act on your desires!
Indirect game was the dominant paradigm in the community for many years, as it provided a way for less confident men to get their "foot in the door" and chat up some HB's through the use of opinion openers, disqualifiers, etc.
The only problem? Most guys don't do it correctly.
The indirect model still requires the pickup artist to give a statement of intent, but in practice, this is often lost in the midst of negs and DHVs. The goal for many guys is to avoid rejection, rather than to get the girl.
The TRUTH is, rejections are NOT permanent, and sometimes can work in your favor. When you go direct, MOST HBs will reject you several times just to test your confidence. If you stay calm, bust on them, and keep working, you can often win them over, because the way you handle rejection is something of a lie detector test of confidence. A good rule of thumb: if they don't leave, they're attracted on some level and therefore, rejection is meaningless.
For instance, if a girl says, "Sorry, you're not my type," or dodges a kiss or whatever, just smile and say, "We'll see" or, "I'll win you over." Then, cut to a new thread and escalate once more. The kind of confidence it takes to shrug off blatant rejection is so uncommon among men in this day and age that this alone tends to inspire a bit of attraction. It makes sense, since rejection isn't all that big a deal when you have a ton of options.
Most guys get so flustered and embarrassed by rejection that they can't recover and either leave the set or creep everyone out. THERE IS NO SHAME IN REJECTION! Sometimes, it's an unfortunate but necessary part of getting to "yes."
This goes for handling flakes as well. If a girl is turning you down or standing you up, don't get upset and try to "talk about it," just disappear for awhile. Chances are, she'll get curious and contact you in a week's time. The void she feels from a loss of attention is relative, so if you've texted her every day and then suddenly disappear, it'll actually bother her MORE. All the more reason not to worry about when/ how often you call her; the trick is just not to be NEEDY.
It's much healthier to view rejection as a kind of dance, rather than a moment of truth. Sinn talks about this a lot; he's an excellent "next generation" pickup artist that knows how to show interest without compromising value.
If you make it a point to ALWAYS escalate to the point where her comfort levels are challenged, you will never end up in "friendzone," which is really the only semi-permanent rejection. If you look among your friends as to who gets the most girls, you'll find it's simply the guy that tries the most. Game needn't be much more than acting on your desires. In the other hand, the guy that tries to play it cool and HIDES his desire often finds himself at the other end of a LJBF. The male/ female polarities are essential to seduction, and failing to show interest makes one asexual in the eyes of a female.
In the outside world, guys with very little game and average looks are still scoring HBs. They call it "getting lucky." I call it "trying."
These are, for the most part, guys that have very little game, and you will seem them do stupid things like buy drinks for girls, ask girls if they like them, and beg for kisses. It is seriously uncomfortable viewing, but the crazy thing is: it WORKS for these guys a lot of the time!
The reason? Even the most AFC of them is not afraid to put himself out there and risk rejection...sometimes even MULTIPLE rejections. This is really the ONLY trait you MUST have if you want to succeed with women; you must act on your desires!
Indirect game was the dominant paradigm in the community for many years, as it provided a way for less confident men to get their "foot in the door" and chat up some HB's through the use of opinion openers, disqualifiers, etc.
The only problem? Most guys don't do it correctly.
The indirect model still requires the pickup artist to give a statement of intent, but in practice, this is often lost in the midst of negs and DHVs. The goal for many guys is to avoid rejection, rather than to get the girl.
The TRUTH is, rejections are NOT permanent, and sometimes can work in your favor. When you go direct, MOST HBs will reject you several times just to test your confidence. If you stay calm, bust on them, and keep working, you can often win them over, because the way you handle rejection is something of a lie detector test of confidence. A good rule of thumb: if they don't leave, they're attracted on some level and therefore, rejection is meaningless.
For instance, if a girl says, "Sorry, you're not my type," or dodges a kiss or whatever, just smile and say, "We'll see" or, "I'll win you over." Then, cut to a new thread and escalate once more. The kind of confidence it takes to shrug off blatant rejection is so uncommon among men in this day and age that this alone tends to inspire a bit of attraction. It makes sense, since rejection isn't all that big a deal when you have a ton of options.
Most guys get so flustered and embarrassed by rejection that they can't recover and either leave the set or creep everyone out. THERE IS NO SHAME IN REJECTION! Sometimes, it's an unfortunate but necessary part of getting to "yes."
This goes for handling flakes as well. If a girl is turning you down or standing you up, don't get upset and try to "talk about it," just disappear for awhile. Chances are, she'll get curious and contact you in a week's time. The void she feels from a loss of attention is relative, so if you've texted her every day and then suddenly disappear, it'll actually bother her MORE. All the more reason not to worry about when/ how often you call her; the trick is just not to be NEEDY.
It's much healthier to view rejection as a kind of dance, rather than a moment of truth. Sinn talks about this a lot; he's an excellent "next generation" pickup artist that knows how to show interest without compromising value.
If you make it a point to ALWAYS escalate to the point where her comfort levels are challenged, you will never end up in "friendzone," which is really the only semi-permanent rejection. If you look among your friends as to who gets the most girls, you'll find it's simply the guy that tries the most. Game needn't be much more than acting on your desires. In the other hand, the guy that tries to play it cool and HIDES his desire often finds himself at the other end of a LJBF. The male/ female polarities are essential to seduction, and failing to show interest makes one asexual in the eyes of a female.
In the outside world, guys with very little game and average looks are still scoring HBs. They call it "getting lucky." I call it "trying."
