Hookup Culture

[zekko]

Maybe I should be asking this in the General Forum, but I like to get the Mature Man's opinion. These days, with the sexual morality of women at an all time low, and the manosphere constantly pushing the idea of multiple sex partners, are we heading toward a time where basically everybody hooks up with everybody? Or maybe we're already there with the younger crowd?

What I mean is the point where everybody in a social group ends up taking a turn with everyone else of the opposite sex in the group? Or maybe every guy who hangs out in a certain club takes a turn with every girl who hangs out there? Well, the decent looking/attractive people anyway?

Are we heading toward a situation where pretty much everybody gets to have a taste of each others wares, so to speak?

 

[Solomon]

Maybe I should be asking this in the General Forum, but I like to get the Mature Man's opinion. These days, with the sexual morality of women at an all time low, and the manosphere constantly pushing the idea of multiple sex partners, are we heading toward a time where basically everybody hooks up with everybody? Or maybe we're already there with the younger crowd?

What I mean is the point where everybody in a social group ends up taking a turn with everyone else of the opposite sex in the group? Or maybe every guy who hangs out in a certain club takes a turn with every girl who hangs out there? Well, the decent looking/attractive people anyway?

Are we heading toward a situation where pretty much everybody gets to have a taste of each others wares, so to speak?

Yup the young generation is already at a hook up culture stage. I've noticed that most of the women 25 and under who I pursue I seldom have to take on dates. They usually are down to come straight to the house. This generation "hangs out" or "hooks up" (the younger ones).

Also your 2nd point, already has happened with people in social circles hooking up and passing each other around. But I digress not every social circle is like that

and Last This is nothing new but with social media now giving people easier access to hook up i.e. Tinder, POF etc and becoming more norm. With people finding marriage obsolete and of course the continuation of the decay of morality sex and hooking up will become easier

One thing I always found odd is men complaining about how hard it is to hook up with chicks, when according to most this is one of the most promiscuous era's ever. I know a 75 year old whose got poon lined up :crackup:

 

[Colossus]

Zekko, I think the manosphere DOES encourage multiple or serial sex partners (directly and indirectly), which is paradoxically the same thing we collectively shame women for. It has become a giant hypocritical mess. Guys are resorting to more and more sociopathic tactics to score expedient, serial lays. Thanks in part to guys like Roosh, who on one hand espouse constant personal improvement, travel, and bulletproof game; but on the other advocate ONLY scoring lays and STRs. Roosh has numerous posts where he denounces the redeemability of the female gender how they are basically all bad apples waiting to turn.

Of course that's only one end of the spectrum, but I see it in between the lines of so many blogs and forums. There is still a good contingency of material out there focused on awareness, self-improvement, and coming out on top in the dating game.

I agree with Solomon that the hookup culture is already here. Especially in younger, more party-oriented crowds. It's basically creating less and less desirable women by our standards (chaste, good character/values, non-feminist), and causing guys to use whatever method is fastest for getting laid. So we'll have a whole generation of girls who have 20-30+ lifetime partners, further pushing the divorce rate into the 60-70% range.

 

[The Duke]

If more women are out there giving it up more often and easier than ever before, shouldn't the price of pu$$y come down? Afterall they are giving away their trump card.

Perhaps this is what is happening as a previous poster mentioned that girls no longer need to go on dates before they have sex, they are now willing to go straight to the guys bed.

Every thing in this world travels in circles. Perhaps the price of pu$$y on the open market has already peaked and we are seeing a few adjustments?

Reading sosuave for years, I've definitely seen a change in how men(16-24 age group) feel about women. It seems now days men want to skip the whole dating phase and jump right to the sechs and women are willing I assume? If they get turned down they are mad. Its a group who demands instant gratification.

Having a nice car, aspirations to go to college, living independently of your parents, are no longer things that the 16-24yo male age group seeks.

Back in the 80's-90's a nice sports car was something that helped you attract women. Everybody had their drivers license as soon as they hit 16.
Now days most teenagers don't even own a car and they aren't in a big rush to get a drivers license.

 

[speed dawg]

Are we heading toward a situation where pretty much everybody gets to have a taste of each others wares, so to speak?

Nope.

80% of the women will f*ck 20% of the men. You all know this already. Girls are biologically wired to do this. They aren't giving themselves up to a male they feel is unworthy. It's not that they aren't sl*ts, they just want real men.

Are people getting more promiscuous? Maybe. But we'll never see a time when there's just a round-table of f*cking, except with the true freaks, and even then they require some degree of confidence. Even the c*m-guzzling orgy types.

This sort of ties in to Howiewestern's point about the price of p*ssy. To me, it almost drives it up, since there are so few real men nowadays.

 

[zekko]

The manosphere doesn't necessarily push promiscuity. The shamers are fond if telling us how unhappy we are. Well, its true. Everyone on this site came here because the system is not working for them. Either they can't get a quality woman to stay or they can't find a woman at all. All the manosphere is doing is explaining to frustrated men what their options are.

There is a segment of the manosphere which seems to reluctantly push promiscuity. They seem to be saying they would like to have a faithful wife and family, but the nature of modern women makes that impossible, or at least incredibly risky. Therefore they feel their only recourse is plate spinning and multiple partners.

Zekko, I think the manosphere DOES encourage multiple or serial sex partners (directly and indirectly), which is paradoxically the same thing we collectively shame women for. It has become a giant hypocritical mess. Guys are resorting to more and more sociopathic tactics to score expedient, serial lays.

A lot of guys will tell you that it isn't hypocritical for men to be promiscuous while expecting women to be chaste, because men and women are wired differently. Men are wired to spread their seed, and women are wired to nest. I won't tell you that, but a lot of guys will. I think that a man should be a good role model and at least show a little bit of self discipline with his choices.

I agree with Solomon that the hookup culture is already here. Especially in younger, more party-oriented crowds.

No question the hookup culture is here. I was asking if we're getting to the point where basically everybody is going to have a turn at everybody. I brought this up from observing a few groups of young people that hang out together. I notice one week a girl will be chasing after one guy, and then the next she'll be cuddling up to some other dude in the group. And the guys are doing the same. Given that there are no moral roadblocks in place to discourage wanton behavior these days, they seem to be just working their way around the group.

Nope.

80% of the women will f*ck 20% of the men. You all know this already. Girls are biologically wired to do this. They aren't giving themselves up to a male they feel is unworthy. It's not that they aren't sl*ts, they just want real men.

I did say that I was talking about the attractive people. But take the example I gave above about observing groups of young people. I know of a case where a girl was crushing on one of the more inexperienced guys in the group, but he seemed too clueless to do something about it, or possibly even realize what was going on. A lot of the time it is the beta's own behavior that keeps them locked out of that 20%, even when the opportunity presents itself.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Nope.

80% of the women will f*ck 20% of the men. You all know this already. Girls are biologically wired to do this. They aren't giving themselves up to a male they feel is unworthy. It's not that they aren't sl*ts, they just want real men.

Are people getting more promiscuous? Maybe. But we'll never see a time when there's just a round-table of f*cking, except with the true freaks, and even then they require some degree of confidence. Even the c*m-guzzling orgy types.

This sort of ties in to Howiewestern's point about the price of p*ssy. To me, it almost drives it up, since there are so few real men nowadays.

Yes, women are being more promiscuous but only with guys with a certain looks level. Esentially women are trading pairing off monogamously with a matched male for ONS/STRs with better looking men. And better looking men are trading off a monogamous relationship for quanity over quality.

It's hard to get and keep a monogamous LTR if you want one, but most women and the very best looking guys have the option of a LTR.

Near average looking guys are left with their hand or scraping the bottom of the barrel with ONS with UGS/warpigs.

 

[backbreaker]

Two Thousand Eighty- Four - The Oceanian province of Airstrip One (formerly known as Great Britain) is a world of perpetual sex, femnistic government surveillance, and socialist based public mind control, dictated by a political system euphemistically named "Blue Pill" under the control of a privileged Inner Party elite ("Alphas" or "Red Pill Men") that persecutes all individualism and independent thinking as "Betacrime" Their tyranny is headed by the manopshere, the quasi-divine Party leaders who enjoys an intense cult of personality, but who may not even exist. Big Brother and the Party justify their rule in the name of a supposed greater good. The protagonist of the novel, "Zekko" , is a member of the Outer Party who works for the Ministry of Truth (Fox News), which is responsible for propaganda and historical revisionism. His job is to re-write past newspaper articles so that the historical record always supports the current party line.

Zekko is a diligent and skillful worker, but he secretly hates the Party and dreams of rebellion against Big Brother.


coming to a store near you :crackup:

 

[disgustipated]

Sup sharpie.

 

[BeDJ]

I had a few friends tell me their BF/GF were fvck buddies for nearly a year before being monogamous. Try it before you buy it. Or maybe it's fun and games until someone gets emotionally invested.

 

[evan12]

Are we heading toward a situation where pretty much everybody gets to have a taste of each others wares, so to speak?

I lived in middle east and here in Canada, and most middle eastern think men in the west are all sexually satisfied and every one can hookup with different woman every day.
But what I saw here, that apply to very few men , even the men with wives and gf are not sexually satisfied . While in middle east at least every man have one woman , you will be signle only if you choose that or you have really some big downside like some illness or criminal record , etc.

So I think it is hookup culture so some men, while sexual absent to other men, and on average they are the monogamous unsexually satisfied men .

 

[Zarky]

nah, there is no "hookup culture." Women are still women. They want "relationships," "commitment," and other bullsh*t. Whereas men want easy sex.

I WISH there were a "hookup culture." I'd looooove more hookups, and with younger chicks. But everything I've seen from my own life indicates that this is just another overblown media hype story.

Yeah maybe it's easier to get laid now than in 1955. But compared to the 1920s? I doubt it. Compared to the late 1970s and 1980s? Hell no.

History goes in cycles, but it remains largely the same. And even the big changes have happened before. For example, in Ancient Greece, homosexuality was commonplace. Then it became "immoral." Now it's ok again. Some day it will likely be "immoral" again.

Anybody who doesn't get this doesn't know history.

 

[Albatross953]

You know, for all the complaining that goes on that guys aren't getting laid, and all the options women have... I'm not sure there aren't a huge number of 6s and above who aren't having sex. I've dated several women in the last year who seemed to be in a dry spell.
Or maybe I just date ugly women, who lie...

Not buying the whole, women get sex all the time thing. I think a lot of them are trapped by the idea that no guy they meet is good enough..

 

[Zarky]

The problem is that I don't see it either in my own life or any other guy's. Other than the shmuck on RSDnation who said he's banged 1660 women in the past ten years or whatever it was. And that's just ridiculous.

Hell even big actors and politicians pay big bucks for wh*ores. If there were truly a "hookup culture" those guys wouldn't have to do that.

So if anyone can point me to a legit blog, or series or articles, or documentary, or anything that gives proof that "alpha males" are banging large numbers of chicks in some sort of "hookup culture" where the women don't even want any type of relationship, then I'd happily believe you.

Until then, it's all just locker room talk.

 

[Solomon]

The problem is that I don't see it either in my own life or any other guy's. Other than the shmuck on RSDnation who said he's banged 1660 women in the past ten years or whatever it was. And that's just ridiculous.

Hell even big actors and politicians pay big bucks for wh*ores. If there were truly a "hookup culture" those guys wouldn't have to do that.

So if anyone can point me to a legit blog, or series or articles, or documentary, or anything that gives proof that "alpha males" are banging large numbers of chicks in some sort of "hookup culture" where the women don't even want any type of relationship, then I'd happily believe you.

Until then, it's all just locker room talk.

Zarky I'm surprised you have been in the community what for 15 years? have you ever went out with a another guy thru the game?

Zarky it's not hard to belive at all. I got a wing who has banged 200+ chicks all through cold approach. He is a good looking guy but he also has solid game. He is probably the best guy I've seen infield. His ratio is 1 out of 3 (or 1 out of 2 now) that he guaranteed to bang a chick. So that means every 3 times we go out he gets laid.

It doesn't surprise me that the average practitioner on RSD gets laid far more then the average practitioner on SS. On RSD approaching is looked as king unlike here were Keyboard jocking faggotry is and theory is. Having seen a couple RSD guys I know they're legit (can't say the same about the coaches though). On RSD you'll be hard pressed to see threads about feminism, POF, hypergamy or anything like that. These guys view game as an art and sport and are hardcore

Here is a video of RSD Distant Light (Snowplowman on here) the guy started gaming at 15 and has been doing this for a long time (he is 22 now). He'll tell you himself I was actually one of the people who got him started recording footage. Now his lifestyle is just sick.

Also if you wanna read a legit blog u can't go wrong with krauser, the guy has banged tons of hoes. He's not good looking but a lot of his bangs are high tier women.

 

[backbreaker]

Every woman I have known when queried about their longest dry spell of sex.....it was 2 months maximum, with most being about one month. This includes all of the girls who have gone through their early 20's with no relationships.

Most guys dry spells? Are far longer.

Now many will call this anecdotal evidence, but it suggests that

• Either a small proportion of men are getting laid like gangbusters relative to the rest
• Guys are getting laid a lot more than they admit....or
• Girls are getting laid far less than they admit.

I think anyone who believes hookup culture doesn't exist, or that there is no hierarchy between the top and middle/bottom males, clearly has no experience being a contextual alpha or is just living under a rock.

One thing I have tried a lot in the past several years are different methods of gaming, including purposefully pulling beta moves on other chicks. It is shocking to me how well this works and how much women show interest in one style versus low interest in another style.

When you have it all together and are gaming properly, you can see the hookup culture crystal clear. If you are poor at gaming or missing other necessary elements, then yes you will question whether this hookup culture actually exists. It all comes down to your own personal reality and what you are experiencing or have experienced.

I lost my virginity at 16. By the time I was 16 I was having sex 1-2 times a month on avg. NOt a hell of a lot but enough to see that sex was possible. Wasn't going out of my way to have sex, wasn't a huge part of my life but i was doing it.

And there were girls I couldn't get with, one in particular that once i started to make a little money did a double take.

But the day my life / view point on game really changed was the day I woke up and put on my size 32 jeans and they were a tad too lose. I remember thinking "damn". then i ran and looked in the mirror and was like "wow **** lol I'm hot". I was about to turn 21.

I THOUGHT i was good looking growing up. I was pretty much. But man, the difference in how you are treated by women is night and day. There was a point a few months after I turned 21 i had probably 10 female numbers in my phone and could have honeslty ****ed all 10 of them if i so chose. I'm not even talking about having unreal game i'm talking about women just going out of their way to flirt with you.

I never knew women could be like that. Girl i was head over heels for would find reasons to just pop up at my house now to chill with me. I'd go tot he mall and the cashier would ask me if I had a girlfriend. I'd look at a girl in the eye and she'd give me the up and down look and smile like "yeah nigga i approve come talk to me". I had never had a girl ask one of my friends to hoook them pu with me until this time in my life.


My game, its good. But it's not light years better than most here. I just learned my lesson and stay in perstine shape. If you've never been in "abs" shape if you've never had a square jaw line, you have no clue how nasty the avg woman can be.

In short there def is a hook up culture but its an exclusive club.

 

[speed dawg]

In short there def is a hook up culture but its an exclusive club.

Couldn't you just have posted this short sentence, instead of the other useless paragraphs of shameless self-promoting drivel that pretty much alerts everyone here that you are one of the biggest douchebags to log into this site?

My free advice: If you really have it, you don't have to brag about it.

 

[MatureDJ]

One thing I always found odd is men complaining about how hard it is to hook up with chicks, when according to most this is one of the most promiscuous era's ever. I know a 75 year old whose got poon lined up :crackup:

They are complaining because of the inherent hypergamy that causes them to miss out on women who should be of their same league in a perfect monogamous social system. Because the top man can command more than one woman in some way (e.g., Donald Trump getting yet another young fertile woman after divorcing his last one, etc.), the lesser men must so with an even lesser woman - with of course, the lower rungs being virtually shut out. :cuss:

 

[MatureDJ]

I'd look at a girl in the eye and she'd give me the up and down look and smile like "yeah nigga i approve come talk to me".

Because of the Prison Industrial Complex and its destruction on the black community - as well as gang violence, etc. - the demographics for blacks is akin to that right after a war, with much fewer men than women.

Another reason could be the black man's preference - or at least a not as much abhorrence - for chunky women, especially ones with profound buttocks, so that they find a larger portion of the female population attractive vis-a-vis white men.

 

[backbreaker]

Because of the Prison Industrial Complex and its destruction on the black community - as well as gang violence, etc. - the demographics for blacks is akin to that right after a war, with much fewer men than women.

Another reason could be the black man's preference - or at least a not as much abhorrence - for chunky women, especially ones with profound buttocks, so that they find a larger portion of the female population attractive vis-a-vis white men.

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