Guilty of Misreading Your Dates!?

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Lol, I know I do this, who doesn't?

I am reposting this, it is on MSN right now, and it just seemed really true! It was an eye opener... I think I did this to someone this week! The "woman-ese" and "man-ese" is hilariously accurate!


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Do you misread your dates?
By Alix Strauss
He was an adorable, smart stockbroker with soft blue eyes and dark hair. As we took our seats in the restaurant, we chatted pleasantly about the appropriate info: How we knew the person who’d set us up; the last movie we saw; a little bit (but not too much) about our respective professions. The waiter came to take our drink order. My possible future husband, wine list in hand, looked at me and asked, “Bottle for the table? Or do you want something stronger?”

“Diet Coke,” I told the waiter.

Though the date ended fine, and he was pleasant throughout the evening, something felt off. A few days later I found out why. Said date went back to the source of the set-up and said, “She’s nice, but was totally uninterested in me and having a good time because she only ordered a soda.” Sigh. If only he’d taken a moment to ask, I’d have gladly cleared up his misconception. I happen not to be a huge drinker. I happened to have had a Diet Coke craving. And, I happened to have liked the guy. But he didn’t ask, and there wasn’t a second date. In essence, he sold us both short.

The worst mistake a dater can make
On dates, people are constantly trying to interpret each other’s actions, looking for signs that will help them figure out if things are going well (or not so well). But the problem is, all too often the assumptions people jump to are just plain wrong. Just ask Garrett, a 40-year-old from NJ, who was on a date that was going great—until it came time to order. Spotting the waitress’ name tag, he called her by her name and kidded with her about the menu. His date, however, took this as flirting—and a sign he wasn’t interested in her. “Why would I flirt with a waitress when I’m on a date? I’m just a friendly guy,” he says. “I actually thought the girl was rude because she didn’t say ‘Thank you’ to the water guy.”

While many people make the mistake of misinterpreting someone’s actions in an overly optimistic way (“Gee, she must like me because she ordered dessert!”), overall, pessimism reigns in the dating realm. Often, it’s someone’s best intentions we read the wrong way. Mitch, a 41-year-old from New Jersey, recently took a blind date to a restaurant he’d frequented. Familiar with the food, he gave her a few suggestions and recommended they get a wine he really liked. Later, he heard through the grapevine that his date thought he was too controlling. “I was just trying to be helpful!” Mitch says.

Sometimes, we shut down our options before we’ve even met them, as Californian Jean, 37, did when a prospect proposed meeting up for coffee—but she refused purely because it suggested he might be cheap. “Looking back, maybe I should have just met him for coffee,” she says. “What’s the worst that could have happened?”

Why we misread signals
What’s driving so many daters to assume the worst as they look for love? Some experts attribute it to nerves, which can trigger a cascade of negative assumptions and easily result in a self-fulfilling prophecy. “When you’re on a date, which is a stressful activity to begin with, it’s easy to see the glass as half empty rather than half full,” says Ian Kerner, Ph.D., author of DSI: Date Scene Investigation—the Diagnostic Manual of Dating Disorders. And this can prompt us to protect ourselves by ferreting out flaws. Also, “on a first date, people tend to look for reasons why it’s not going to work out,” says Alyssa Wodtke, author of Truth, Lies, and Online Dating: Secrets to Finding Romance on the Internet. “Why? Because the fact that you’re on yet another first date means it hasn’t worked out in the past. You’re expecting failure and, as a result, you’re setting yourself up for failure.”

Dating someone whose beliefs about gender roles or money are different than yours can also cause trouble. Meredith, a 37-year-old from New York, felt she was being a gracious gal when she’d split the bill rather than just assume a guy was going to pay. That is, until one guy expressed shock when she reached for her wallet. “He asked me if I was having a good time, and I said sure,” she says. “He later informed me that he took my offering to pay as an indication that I didn’t like him. I did like him, I was just afraid of coming off as a girl who expects to be taken out.”

Even when the involved parties attempt to set the record straight, lack of trust can be a problem, as Felicia, a 35-year-old from Massachusetts, knows all too well. Upon meeting a guy for drinks, she told him she had to get home early due to an early meeting at work the next day. “I just wanted to be upfront,” she says. “But when I didn’t stay for a second drink, he seemed annoyed. When I asked him if something was wrong, he accused me of making up the meeting because that’s what people say to cover themselves in case they don’t like the other person.” And at this point, his insecurity was such a turnoff she wasn’t that interested in convincing him otherwise.

How to put an end to the confusion
No matter what we do, we’ll never be able to read each other’s actions entirely accurately. But if you’d like to curb the confusion, go ahead and ask for an explanation to clear things up. If that’s too forward for you, try this: Instead of assuming the worst, try assuming the best, says Wodtke. “Rather than searching for flaws in someone before you know them, give them the benefit of the doubt,” she says.

“Stop thinking and just enjoy the company,” says David Wygant, a dating coach and author of Always Talk To Strangers: 3 Simple Steps To Find The Love Of Your Life. “And once the date’s over, don’t rehash it over and over. That’ll make things worse.” A recent date I’d been on could have benefited from this bit of wisdom. He and I had only spoken on the phone two times, and though I’m an affectionate person, I felt a handshake was more appropriate when meeting him. The guy, however, went in for a kiss on my cheek, which made me wonder: If this is what he wants now, what will he expect at the end of the evening? A fair assessment? Maybe. But is it really the truth? There’s the story we make up in our heads, and then there’s what really happened. Perhaps he was just overzealous. Perhaps he was just being friendly. Or perhaps I should have turned off my antenna rather than turning it up.

“No one’s a psychic,” says Wygant. “Ninety-nine percent of the time you don’t have a clue to what the other person is thinking.” The bottom line is, jumping to negative conclusions can sabotage your chances of sticking around long enough to see if you truly are compatible. Lay your suspicions aside, and years later, you two could be laughing about all the horrible things you thought about each other when you first met.

Alix Strauss is a New York City-based trend journalist and the author of the novel The Joy of Funerals.​
 

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He was an adorable, smart stockbroker with soft blue eyes and dark hair. As we took our seats in the restaurant, we chatted pleasantly about the appropriate info: How we knew the person who’d set us up; the last movie we saw; a little bit (but not too much) about our respective professions. The waiter came to take our drink order. My possible future husband, wine list in hand, looked at me and asked, “Bottle for the table? Or do you want something stronger?”

“Diet Coke,” I told the waiter.

Though the date ended fine, and he was pleasant throughout the evening, something felt off. A few days later I found out why. Said date went back to the source of the set-up and said, “She’s nice, but was totally uninterested in me and having a good time because she only ordered a soda.” Sigh. If only he’d taken a moment to ask, I’d have gladly cleared up his misconception. I happen not to be a huge drinker. I happened to have had a Diet Coke craving. And, I happened to have liked the guy. But he didn’t ask, and there wasn’t a second date. In essence, he sold us both short.
Yeah but if someone ask you if you want a bottle of wine or liquor, then the onus is on the other person to answer and give a reasonable explaination. And not just say to the waiter, "Diet Coke.". This woman didn't like her date or she would've been more accomodating.
 

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Holy crap! I was just about to post this too!

(slowly turns and raises eyebrow)



Iqqi, what are you wearing right now, girl?

You Sexy, Alanis Morrisette looking chic that is actually God, you.......












Interceptor: "So..uh..like...what do you do for a living?"


Iqqi: "Oh, I'm just God. But I like to party and have fun too! Woo hoo!"


Interceptor: "Oh great...another woo hoo party girl..oh well. (sigh)
So what are you doing this Saturday, God?"
 

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That's why "dates" suck to begin with!

I never understood this when I was younger, but it puts everything in a "gotta be proper gotta look my best gotta analyze every detail" mode. Sounds kinda counteractive to building attraction, no?
 

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Dude, absolutey, Str8!!!

Abso -freakin'- lutely.

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"DATES"??

All equal ZERO Building ATTRACTION.

They have NOTHING absolutely NOTHING to do with ATTRACTION.

Nothing.

This is when women LJBF.
This is when women go "Aww...poor little boy...He don't know women do he?"
This is when women say "He was nice...but there was no chemistry."
Now, whenever I read some guy saying how he "asked out for a DATE' to some woman, I always find myself shaking my head.

Anyone reading this. Don't go out on dates in the early stages of meeting a woman.
 

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I tend to be very aggressive in general. What I have noticed is when I take the relaxed stance on the first date and do not do alot of talking, the women takes all the initiatives from keeping the convo going to inviting me back to her house.

This approach works 99% of the time for me as well always keeps the girl wondering whether you have interest or not. She then sends her interest tests out to you, such as "Try my drink" or "Try some of this chicken" or her kino.

The thought of being rejected creates attraction. Want but don't desire. Works wonders on the first date.
 

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He was an adorable, smart stockbroker with soft blue eyes and dark hair. As we took our seats in the restaurant, we chatted pleasantly about the appropriate info:,..My possible future husband, wine list in hand, looked at me and asked, “Bottle for the table? Or do you want something stronger?”

“Diet Coke,” I told the waiter.

Though the date ended fine, and he was pleasant throughout the evening, something felt off. A few days later I found out why. Said date went back to the source of the set-up and said, “She’s nice, but was totally uninterested in me and having a good time because she only ordered a soda.” Sigh. If only he’d taken a moment to ask, I’d have gladly cleared up his misconception. I happen not to be a huge drinker. I happened to have had a Diet Coke craving. And, I happened to have liked the guy. But he didn’t ask, and there wasn’t a second date. In essence, he sold us both short.
To begin with, notice how the importance of him being a "stock broker" is mentioned before his physical description. Next, she describes the guy as her "possible future husband." We're only getting an understanding of HIS misinterpretation of her from HER. Maybe the guy simply didn't want to pursue her because she didn't drink and he does? What if she'd lit up a cigarette and he didn't like smokers? Would that be "selling them both short"? She says all he had to do was ask her about it, but what guy is going to say "hey, why don't you have a drinkwith me?" without coming off as trying to loosen her up for later?
 

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I probably would have made the same inference as the date guy. Her ordering a coke without an explaination as to why she didnt feel like a drink came off as a bit rude, as if she wanted to eat dinner and bounce. And yeah it would be awkward to ask her why after that point. Thats why i hate 'dates'. Just hang out.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
She describes the guy as her "possible future husband."
A lot of women do this! We look across the table of every guy we date and sometime during the evening we think..."How would he look with a gold ring on his finger?"

I don't drink usually, and it draws attention because I live in wine country California. I've gotten some REAL wierd reactions from guys about it. Anything from the casual "Oh, okay." to the drop-jawed, wide eyed stare "WHAT? YOU DON"T DRINK? HOW THE HELL DO YOU EVER HAVE ANY FUN?"

The medication I'm on makes it dangerous to drink with any regualrity. I don't feel it's proper to bring this up on a first date, so the guy just has to think I'm a party-pooper!:rock:
 

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Don't go on dates. Like the first woman wouldn't have found a reason to see him again if she actually liked him sexually. If she had a real interest she would have blamed herself for not being clearer, and begged him for another chance. It's just another way of making it the guy's fault for something other than the real reason - no attraction because dinner dates are needy AFC wastes of time.
 

Tell her a little about yourself, but not too much. Maintain some mystery. Give her something to think about and wonder about when she's at home.

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I get tired of either misreading, or I get tired of girls who do what ever it is they do to make you THINK they are interested, but they aren't, or they play you, etc etc. I dont get it sometimes.

I think back to the day after work I spent 4.5hrs talking to a girl in the parking lot, then come to realize later she had a boyfriend. She even told him we talked that long.

I was thinking... WTF was your point of talking to me that long? You could have gone home and txt your guy if he wasn't available, but she spoke with me, smiled on the way home right before we left, and yeah.

This is only minor, but I cant stand that crap. Sometimes I think we should ask, but at the same time we have to ask so it comes off right.

I mean maybe a.....In the pop mood huh?
Yeah, I have a craving.

Problem solved.

OR she really wasn't intersted. Who the heck knows.

Sometimes I swear its impossible to figure things out whether on a date or not on one.

It would be nice if person could just explain.

I'll have a diet coke she says to the waitress, then tells the guy... I really have this craving for one for some reason, so i'm going to get that instead.

Ok, cool. You must really like coke.
Yeah, I do.

I dont know. Its never always straight forward I guess.
 

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It's also worth noting that it's a woman posting this thread. If you followed the advice herein you would

a. Go on dinner dates as if they ever worked.

b. Go along with the assumption that the goal of 'dating' is to find a LTR/spouse, and casual sex is bad/not what a woman wants.

c. Ignore this sites usual advice about being a mystery or a challenge and nexting the low-interested, and instead give the power to the female and ask her why she didn't find you attractive.

Other than the general 'be positive' message, this thread is highly dubious.
 

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WaterTiger said:
A lot of women do this! We look across the table of every guy we date and sometime during the evening we think..."How would he look with a gold ring on his finger?"..
This is so true. And if that is her objective (marriage and any other womanly spoils of war) she can be very intent on letting her goal and any associated demands be known to the guy.
 

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Nighthawk said:
It's also worth noting that it's a woman posting this thread. If you followed the advice herein you would

a. Go on dinner dates as if they ever worked.

b. Go along with the assumption that the goal of 'dating' is to find a LTR/spouse, and casual sex is bad/not what a woman wants.

c. Ignore this sites usual advice about being a mystery or a challenge and nexting the low-interested, and instead give the power to the female and ask her why she didn't find you attractive.

Other than the general 'be positive' message, this thread is highly dubious.
:yes: The only reason men misinterpret women anyway is because women give unclear, misinformation.
 

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iqqi said:
Lol, I know I do this, who doesn't?

I am reposting this, it is on MSN right now, and it just seemed really true! It was an eye opener... I think I did this to someone this week! The "woman-ese" and "man-ese" is hilariously accurate!


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Do you misread your dates?
By Alix Strauss
He was an adorable, smart stockbroker with soft blue eyes and dark hair. As we took our seats in the restaurant, we chatted pleasantly about the appropriate info: How we knew the person who’d set us up; the last movie we saw; a little bit (but not too much) about our respective professions. The waiter came to take our drink order. My possible future husband, wine list in hand, looked at me and asked, “Bottle for the table? Or do you want something stronger?”

“Diet Coke,” I told the waiter.

Though the date ended fine, and he was pleasant throughout the evening, something felt off. A few days later I found out why. Said date went back to the source of the set-up and said, “She’s nice, but was totally uninterested in me and having a good time because she only ordered a soda.” Sigh. If only he’d taken a moment to ask, I’d have gladly cleared up his misconception. I happen not to be a huge drinker. I happened to have had a Diet Coke craving. And, I happened to have liked the guy. But he didn’t ask, and there wasn’t a second date. In essence, he sold us both short.

The worst mistake a dater can make
On dates, people are constantly trying to interpret each other’s actions, looking for signs that will help them figure out if things are going well (or not so well). But the problem is, all too often the assumptions people jump to are just plain wrong. Just ask Garrett, a 40-year-old from NJ, who was on a date that was going great—until it came time to order. Spotting the waitress’ name tag, he called her by her name and kidded with her about the menu. His date, however, took this as flirting—and a sign he wasn’t interested in her. “Why would I flirt with a waitress when I’m on a date? I’m just a friendly guy,” he says. “I actually thought the girl was rude because she didn’t say ‘Thank you’ to the water guy.”

While many people make the mistake of misinterpreting someone’s actions in an overly optimistic way (“Gee, she must like me because she ordered dessert!”), overall, pessimism reigns in the dating realm. Often, it’s someone’s best intentions we read the wrong way. Mitch, a 41-year-old from New Jersey, recently took a blind date to a restaurant he’d frequented. Familiar with the food, he gave her a few suggestions and recommended they get a wine he really liked. Later, he heard through the grapevine that his date thought he was too controlling. “I was just trying to be helpful!” Mitch says.

Sometimes, we shut down our options before we’ve even met them, as Californian Jean, 37, did when a prospect proposed meeting up for coffee—but she refused purely because it suggested he might be cheap. “Looking back, maybe I should have just met him for coffee,” she says. “What’s the worst that could have happened?”

Why we misread signals
What’s driving so many daters to assume the worst as they look for love? Some experts attribute it to nerves, which can trigger a cascade of negative assumptions and easily result in a self-fulfilling prophecy. “When you’re on a date, which is a stressful activity to begin with, it’s easy to see the glass as half empty rather than half full,” says Ian Kerner, Ph.D., author of DSI: Date Scene Investigation—the Diagnostic Manual of Dating Disorders. And this can prompt us to protect ourselves by ferreting out flaws. Also, “on a first date, people tend to look for reasons why it’s not going to work out,” says Alyssa Wodtke, author of Truth, Lies, and Online Dating: Secrets to Finding Romance on the Internet. “Why? Because the fact that you’re on yet another first date means it hasn’t worked out in the past. You’re expecting failure and, as a result, you’re setting yourself up for failure.”

Dating someone whose beliefs about gender roles or money are different than yours can also cause trouble. Meredith, a 37-year-old from New York, felt she was being a gracious gal when she’d split the bill rather than just assume a guy was going to pay. That is, until one guy expressed shock when she reached for her wallet. “He asked me if I was having a good time, and I said sure,” she says. “He later informed me that he took my offering to pay as an indication that I didn’t like him. I did like him, I was just afraid of coming off as a girl who expects to be taken out.”

Even when the involved parties attempt to set the record straight, lack of trust can be a problem, as Felicia, a 35-year-old from Massachusetts, knows all too well. Upon meeting a guy for drinks, she told him she had to get home early due to an early meeting at work the next day. “I just wanted to be upfront,” she says. “But when I didn’t stay for a second drink, he seemed annoyed. When I asked him if something was wrong, he accused me of making up the meeting because that’s what people say to cover themselves in case they don’t like the other person.” And at this point, his insecurity was such a turnoff she wasn’t that interested in convincing him otherwise.

How to put an end to the confusion
No matter what we do, we’ll never be able to read each other’s actions entirely accurately. But if you’d like to curb the confusion, go ahead and ask for an explanation to clear things up. If that’s too forward for you, try this: Instead of assuming the worst, try assuming the best, says Wodtke. “Rather than searching for flaws in someone before you know them, give them the benefit of the doubt,” she says.

“Stop thinking and just enjoy the company,” says David Wygant, a dating coach and author of Always Talk To Strangers: 3 Simple Steps To Find The Love Of Your Life. “And once the date’s over, don’t rehash it over and over. That’ll make things worse.” A recent date I’d been on could have benefited from this bit of wisdom. He and I had only spoken on the phone two times, and though I’m an affectionate person, I felt a handshake was more appropriate when meeting him. The guy, however, went in for a kiss on my cheek, which made me wonder: If this is what he wants now, what will he expect at the end of the evening? A fair assessment? Maybe. But is it really the truth? There’s the story we make up in our heads, and then there’s what really happened. Perhaps he was just overzealous. Perhaps he was just being friendly. Or perhaps I should have turned off my antenna rather than turning it up.

“No one’s a psychic,” says Wygant. “Ninety-nine percent of the time you don’t have a clue to what the other person is thinking.” The bottom line is, jumping to negative conclusions can sabotage your chances of sticking around long enough to see if you truly are compatible. Lay your suspicions aside, and years later, you two could be laughing about all the horrible things you thought about each other when you first met.

Alix Strauss is a New York City-based trend journalist and the author of the novel The Joy of Funerals.​

This is what life is like in Chodesville. How pathetic. The guys and girls both sound female--waiting for thr other person to take the lead.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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It's also worth noting that it's a woman posting this thread.
It is also worth noting, dear NH, that Interceptor said he WAS ALSO JUST ABOUT TO POST THIS VERY SAME ARTICLE THAT I DIDN'T WRITE.

:)

I thought by posting this, that some of the guys here who think a girl isn't interested because of something small or trivial (like the examples given), could stop overanalyzing themselves, and maybe realize that it isn't THEM, or even rejection half the time; it is usually the infamous misunderstanding between the sexes... and more notably IMO, between strangers...
 

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Next, she describes the guy as her "possible future husband."
It is true, women do this all the time. Me and my friends are usually just being funny though. Its a play on the popular belief that all woman are husband hunting.

For instance a friend of mine has 5 future husbands right now.

One of mine is just a cute guy I see at the gas station.

And whenever we go out, we are going out to "collect a few more future husbands".

I.E. Future Husband = woman-ese for Hot Guy.

If I actually am really impressed with a guy, or infatuated, I don't refer to him as future anything. He becomes "soulmate".
 

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iqqi said:
If I actually am really impressed with a guy, or infatuated, I don't refer to him as future anything. He becomes "soulmate".
I.e. soulmate=woman-ese for sex partner.
 

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I.e. soulmate=woman-ese for sex partner.
Actually I have yet to sleep with a "soul mate". :D

No, I meant what I said, actually. Soulmate = guy I could be serious about, with that extra mysterious "connection" vibe-thingy to boot!

I have two. And I've felt this way for years about both of em.

One I stalk on myspace, and the other... is married! I just found him again after a year, he works at my favorite hangout! :cry:

So yeah, no booty.
 

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Omen said:
I think back to the day after work I spent 4.5hrs talking to a girl in the parking lot, then come to realize later she had a boyfriend. She even told him we talked that long.

I was thinking... WTF was your point of talking to me that long? You could have gone home and txt your guy if he wasn't available, but she spoke with me, smiled on the way home right before we left, and yeah.


"Hello, I have nothing else going on in my life so i'm willing to just stand outside in a parking lot talking for 4.5 hours on a whim as if i am one of your girl friends. Please like me."

'I like talking to you. You are such a great friend!'



Did you make action? (no you stood in a parking lot)
Did you kino to communicate interest and gauge hers?
Did you bust on her?

No? Okay, you're just another guy (girl) to chit chat with.
 

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