Great set, but what happened??

[CoolRunning]

[I'm 27, never dated a girl, still a virgin. Working my way up from absolute zero.]

I'm going to describe my whole night in this FR. If you want to read just the great set that blew up, search for "QQQQ" in this post.

So I hit up this bar in the city in Florida where I'm visiting. Wed nights are supposed to be huge, and it didn't dissapoint. I showed up at about 11pm and the place was just starting to move. Even better, the bar was like a club, a bar, and a club all on top of eachother, so I had a lot of room to roam (you guys who go out alone will know what I'm talking about).

So I get a drink and open this set. It's a couple of, um, voluptuous girls. In absolute standards probably two UG4's but I don't mind a bit of flesh on a girl so I'll call them HB5blonde and HB6ADD (because she was so hyper). Tonight I was out to practice vibing, which worked out pretty well on these two. HB6ADD had, well, ADD, and couldn't pay attention for crap, but I quickly learned that was a part of her personality and not any disinterest in our conversation. Whenever the vibe slowed down, I ran a routine (Strawberry fields or 4 Questions) which the girls had a lot of fun with. I kino'd both of them about 5 times apiece and just generally had a good time talking to them. Pretty fun. Maybe 45 min total. However, HB6ADD had ADD and HB5blonde wasn't really 'feeling it'. She laughed at my routines and stories, made EC, was receptive to kino, but couldn't really hold up her end of the conversation. Usually girls in a set will kind of vibe off eachother to hold up the conversation, this iddn't happen here. Maybe this is just a general problem with UG's (thoughts?). I then left to get another drink and told them I'd catch them later.

I went downstairs to the 2nd bar and saw a table of about 6 girls, all HB6 or better. Kind of intimidated, I roamed a bit and then came back. There were only 2 girls left at the table and one was on the phone, so I opened the other. She was German, and quite receptive to my game. EC, laughing at my jokes, decent vibe, etc. Her friends came back (all German) and she eventually lost interest in me and began to talk to them again. I didn't feel like gaming the whole table, and a couple guys they knew showed up (got little experience with guys in a mixed group yet), so I wished them well and walked off.


QQQQ
Here's the great set that went south. I seek your analysis and aid in understanding WTF happened. So I see these two girls standing in a corner in an uncrowded part of the bar. They're conversing. One is HB6, the other I can't really tell. I go up and open them with the drunk girlfriend opener, to which they reply with enough of a response to actually start a conversation. We get to talking, and I realize the other one is quite hot. Like HB7.5 in Florida. If I were back in Seattle, she'd be HB8 or HB8.5. Very hot. I neg her, she laughs and is taken aback, and while conversing I focus on kino'ing her friend a couple times before I kino her. So anyway, the conversation goes great. They ask me questions, I do a bit of C&F, they're both making great EC, kino'ing me on the arm and shoulder a few times, etc. They love the routines and more importantly, when I get sidetracked on some of the interpretations of the routines with HB6, HB7.5 prompts me to interpret her answers.

Honestly, I don't have a ton of experience, but this set was going *very* well. There was not one awkward moment and they seemed very interested in everything I had to say. I was paying attention to them about equally, with maybe a little bit of a focus on HB6.

Then, after maybe 30 min in the set, HB6 says she needs to use the restroom. HB7.5 says she'll go with her. I say cool, cya later. They walk off, and I walk off as well - don't want to be waiting around for them when they return. I wander around the rest of the 3 level club looking for the fat girls from earlier, but don't find them. About 15 min passes, and I head back down to the bar where I saw HB6 and HB7.5. They're nowhere to be seen. I searched the whole 3 level club for them and didn't see 'em anywhere. This wasn't oneitis per se, it's just that I had expended a lot of effort in that set and felt like it could have paid off with at least a *close or something. It was about 1:30 at this point, bar closes at 2. I was planning to see if the girls wanted to get some pizza after closing time. So I do a couple more wanders through the club and don't find them, and at about 1:55 I leave.

Potentially important points that I haven't yet mentioned.
- I told them I Was from out of town and leaving the next day at 2pm.
- When I ran my opener, I pointed at a 'friend' at the other end of the bar. About 15 min in, HB6 asked where my friend was. I waved toward the pool table (big crowd of people) and said he was over there playing pool or something.

Now, here are my possible interpretations.

1) I misinterpreted the set. They weren't having fun with me, they were looking for any excuse to ditch me.
2) They are great actors, and seemed like they were having a lot more fun than they actually were.
3) They conferenced and decided to leave rather than one of them 'hook up' without the other [perhaps this is why HB6 asked where my friend was?]
4) One of them dragged the other off to prevent her doing 'something stupid'.
5) They felt it was time to leave.
6) They waited for me a bit, but not seeing me and it being nearly 1:30am, they left.
7) I somehow just missed them.

I seek your advice in figuring out what happened here.

 

[Desdinova]

I seek your advice in figuring out what happened here.

Although I'm not big on the whole MM, I think the problem is you put too much hope into these two girls. Things go well, and you go back to doing your own thing. Some women will bugger off, some will hang around. No biggie, just don't put any hope into women you're not dating.

 

[DJDamage]

Its good that you came over and start chatting to the two of them but after a while you needed to isloate your target. When you don't isolate your target the other girl will eventually understands what you are trying to do and try to c0ckblock you (hance the bathroom excuse = easy exist). If you had another guy there he would keep the other girl buzy.

Another thing don't talk to your target for a long time. 30 mins is a bit too long. After 10 mins of coversation its enough to isolate her and ask her for her number.

DjDamage

 

[Pimp101]

My vote goes to #7. Seriously, if they looked like they were having fun and they sounded like they were having fun - they were having fun. :cheer: They just lost you in the crowd of people.

 

[everywomanshero]

I didn't thoroughly read your post, but from what I skimmed.


Out of town == good. Maybe leave it more open-ended on departure. Where did you claim to be from originally? Here in St. Louis, Chicago or LA works well. Might be different for you.

KINO== good, but I didn't catch how you KINO'd the girls. I consistently get good results with palm reading even though some guys feel it's too clownish.

NO Cold Reading? One of the things that makes or breaks a ONS for me is a quality cold reading. That just sucks them right in to a point they are willing to chase me when I nail it. I can't believe they really fall for this! However, cold readings work best when the friend is occupied or the girl is a lone wolf.

This is where a wing can help. Also your wing can take one girl on the dance floor giving you privacy wth the other, esp. works well in dark and crowded clubs. You should get a heavu makeout easily in that situation. It;'s always better to go out solo though. Once you can do that, you are well on your way. Wings introduce time tables, cancels, and other things that can keep you at home which is how you developed the problem in the first place.

It sounds like you let the conversation run a little too long without any isolation or escalation. I think you should review the Venusian Arts handbook to make sure you are going through the sequences correctly. When all else failed, I would've grabbed her ahnd as she tried to leave just as she thought I was going to punk out, and gotten her #. You can always use her for practice leaving msgs even if she flakes. I have a lot of luck with Craig's confession msg. You can also timebridge although Im often too lazy to think of anything personally. On the lower quality women you can make a lot of mistakes, it's OK. You can still get away with it, so I wouldn't beat myself up. If you come from the frame that you're just out to have fun and approach women, then I think the lays will just start happening. When you're soooo inside your head trying to micromanage every last detail, then it's hard to stay focused on the overall direction of the interaction.

 

[CoolRunning]

I actually WAS from out of town, so it wasn't just a line I used to try to get laid that night.

I didn't isloate, #close or *close because I have no idea how, yet...

To be honest, I still kind of talk myself into questioning whether the IOI's I'm getting are real or fake. Like I'm not sure that the IOIs are real. But eye contact, receptiveness to kino (arm, shoulder) and laughing a lot are the real deal right?

As for kino, I would touch their arms or shoudlers while I was trying to make a point, or when they said something funny and I was laughing. Should I have gone for more, like put my arm around one of their waists or something?

 

[everywomanshero]

Hey man, I'm, glad you got out there. This is a success, don't let anyone or anything discourage you now. You're on your way. Just keep going out. I rarely even ask questions. I just go out more and more and more. Being unemployed, I have a lot of time but Im taking a sales job (if they offer it to me) which will get me in regular public contact if it's offered to me.

I know it's tough without friends to wing with sometimes, but getting through that will make you all the better. Too many guys bail sets early or don't approach or XYZ because of wing delays.