going from number close to sex in first 2 dates?

pete101

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my new date persona to adopt is to be sexual from the offset, not too aggressive but also not my old timid approach - i rather be rejected for being too sexual than too timid.

is there any fast way to get sex with number closes either online or in person?

i generally find that if i'm too sexual in the first date i don't get a second as they think i'm only after one thing.. i am. what is the fast sure way to get her into a sexual state on a date if it's a drink date or coffee or whatever?

i'm fefd up with going on dates where it doesn't lead anywhere also girls who are looking for relationships so won't put out easily.
 

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Heyy.., would you date a girl if she wanted to be virgin till marriage ( for religious reasons)?

No offense but if you want to have sex on the first or second date, the only type if girl that would do that is a prostitute. No normal, self respecting girl would do that
 
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i'm fefd up with going on dates where it doesn't lead anywhere also girls who are looking for relationships so won't put out easily.[/QUOTE]

No offense They will put out easily just not to you bro... all women have the slut gene in them... just keep spinning plates bro
 

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princess_124 said:
Heyy.., would you date a girl if she wanted to be virgin till marriage ( for religious reasons)?

No offense but if you want to have sex on the first or second date, the only type if girl that would do that is a prostitute. No normal girl would do that
No normal girl...

You sound sexually frustrated.
 

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Have always been good at getting sex within the first few dates despite not being a natural in some ways, and over the years concluded that it was due to being able to tell stories that elicit emotional response and escalate kino. I have some stock stories (but all true) that involve danger, romance and emotional experiences that have produced excellent response over the years. Wondered about the science behind this until just this weekend.

Was reading lots of academic marketing studies in preparing a marketing plan and goals for my practice in 2015. Came across a relatively new marketing research technique called Zaltman Metaphor Elicitation Technique (ZMET), created and patented by a Harvard Business School professor. After reading a dozen or so academic papers on ZMET, I highly recommend a google session with the terms "Zaltman pdf," "ZMET pdf" and "ZMET" for all DJs. IMO, this technique gives old PUA tactics like speed seduction and others underlying backing science which explains scientifically why they work.

Without going into too much detail, it is a way of mapping deep metaphorical response in marketing subjects. 95% of all communications is nonverbal, and much of that takes place in the subconscious. The language of the subconscious is strongly metaphorical imagery as opposed to linguistic. Seven primary human deep metaphors are identified and then the rest branch off from those. Part of the mapping technique is getting subjects to create collages and estimate emotional responses to various images. Once the map is known, then specific marketing messages can be tailored to specific audiences with heightened effectiveness.
 

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Women only have sex with men they believe to have potential. If she wants to keep you around and she believes sex is the only way.. then she will have sex with you.

If a woman believes you are soft enough to let her string you along, waste your time, buy her sh!t and be her therapist.. while not having sex.. then she will do it. Because she can.

Just like if a man can have sex with a girl without committing, buying her sh!t, going on dates, etc. He will. Because he can.

Women are in no rush you have sex. They use sex to get and keep male attention. If the attention is free and requires no sex.. then she will not have sex. This is the friendzone/BFF beta zone.

If sex by the first or second date is your rule.. then follow it. If you can't walk away from a woman who won't do what you want.. then you are desperate and have no standards.

Most men have no standards as long as the woman looks good. She could be Satan and he would still post a thread on SoSuave asking how to get her to f*ck him.
 

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According to princess, you should buy her flowers and tell her she's pretty.
 

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Poon King has seriously the best advice again. However, there is more to the story.

Im am still a recovering from AFC but I think there is still something I can contribute here. Hope it adds value to the thread and your goals.

1. Having this goal is good but may prove counterproductive. Should you find that is this case this may be why. Girls can definitely pick up on a motive or agenda. Even when you are really good you are at masking it. So, if your goal is a sex close in two dates you will have to be 100 percent at masking that agenda. To do this, you may actually need to find your inner AFC again. Or develop it.

1a. This is why I think so. I actually have discovered I am very good at getting girls with anything over 51% percent interest to sleep with me right away.(also, opening up to me as to why) Even in my chump days, I got almost no resistance. Its the maintaining that frame that brought me here, but I digress. Here are the things girls have said to me.

" I dunno why, I just felt comfortable with you" ( To expand on this she wouldn’t let me touch anything below her waist after a 13hr date. I tried three times. Then, I gave up and left. She was actually pissed that I was leaving. I told her I wanted her to be able to sleep well for work tomorrow. Next time I went there she told me “Im not on birth control” while both our tops were off. I told her” That’s ok. That’s not what I am here for anyway.” She said “ Well do you have a condom our do you want to just pull out” and she proceeded to rip off all our clothes and f^ck me for hrs.

" Because I knew you didnt really want to and that made me want to" (I actually didn’t want to F^ck this girl so I pushed her off me. Made her crazy for me.)
" Because you made me feel safe" ( told her “There are a thousand ways to be intimate. Hand massages and looking at the stars with good music are just as intimate as sex.) (Problem is, I meant it. Told you AFC has certain benefits)

" Because you were so mature" (about a particular situation she mentioned)

" Because you were so honest with me" (told her about other girls I was seeing and said I wanted her to be able to make an adult decision about being with me) I was in fact honest with her.

“Because I never met anyone like you before you’re different” ( Just acted interested in their lives and I identify where you can. Be genuine if possible, or again, fake it till you make it.

There are others but the overall sentiment, I am here to tell you is this: You must be (or act) so unconcerned about sex that they categorize you as something completely different then they are used to dealing with. This drives them wild.

Its funny actually, I feel bad telling you this because during some of those interactions and others, I actually didn’t give a sh!t because I was a sweet guy. I kept my eyes on theirs and never ogled them. I made them laugh with me and at me. I was a gentleman.
HOWEVER, in retrospect, another key to this, is HEAVEY kino. I didn’t know it till I found this website, but I was never afraid to touch and be sensual in touch, no matter what. Italian upbringing maybe?

2. Communicate you DO NOT WANT sex verbally. Communicate YOU DO WANT ONLY SEX non-verbally. KINO.

3. Again, if sex is your only goal(not usually mine) you must demonstrate interest and indifference all at the same time. Master that and youll be pulling enough chicks to by 30 packs of condoms.

4. Mystery:

Again balance is needed here. Tell stories but never share details.

I am dating a girl right now that has no problem screwing my brains out and has no idea what my last name is. She knows (mostly what I do) (She knows mostly about previous relationships) (She now knows where I live, but not how to get there) ( She knows the HOUSE I GREW up in{ I got lucky here and was near there} BUT when she asked my last name I changed the subject hard and got her talking about herself.

5. Be a gentleman: I open doors but don’t stumble over myself to do so. I pay, but I make them leave the tip. I always have an extra sweatshirt in my car and ask if they are cold. I always ask if they are thirsty hungry or need to pee. I always push people out of their way to make room for them to walk. I always walk on the side of traffic. I always brace them if I brake to hard when driving. I always offer my jacket. I always stand when they stand at a table. I always get out of my car when picking them up. I always dress well. I always prepare them for a date but never tell them where we are going.

6. Mirror:
If a chick responds to the above, continue. HOWEVER, if she is sh!tty, or entitled, or trashy, or drinks to much, or in any way misbehaves… Mirror that behavior. If she sh!t tests you, give it right back. Then you are dealing with a different breed. You can still be a gentlemen but don’t kiss their ass with it.

EXAMPLE: I had a girl I was seeing for a few weeks. I offered her breakfast
( a breakfast I shopped for just to impress her) and she was being sh!tty. “Im not hungry. Im going to leave soon” So I said Fine. Im hungry, Im going to cook. If you like it, eat it. If not, don’t. I am making coffee too” Well, that ***** instgramed my breakfast and texted me later that I was an amazing chef. ( Full DISCLOSER… I never saw her again. Broke my heart. Yet, I did sleep with her. Many, many times.) That’s your goal, so it fits still. 

Lastly, I am trying to help with your goal, with my different perspective. I see though, that this will only work with girls that have a elevated interest in you to begin with. 51% or higher I would say. Other then that, the other guys here on SS are more equipped to help. Listen to them!

Enjoy and good luck. Keep us posted.

P.S PM me for pictures or furtherance of advice. I don’t want anyone thinking Im talking out of my ass here. Real experience even though I am still learning.
 

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I take the infinite patience approach but I definitely keep it romantic (no platonic friends, definitely physical). If they want to wait to have sex, fine, I've got plenty of plates in the rotation. I'm not thirsty for it.

The one thing I will not tolerate is a woman who attempts to leverage exclusivity for sex, and I've had to walk away from several women who have attempted this maneuver. It's an issue of their own self-confidence. Sadly, they do not realize that I know full well that women are not unique and no pvssy exists that cures cancer. A woman and I should be having outrageously hot sex WAY before I ever entertain exclusivity.
 

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skinnyguy said:
According to princess, you should buy her flowers and tell her she's pretty.
Lol that would be nice but I think marriage is the first step if you want sex
 

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