Girlfriend finding out about other plates.

[BeExcellent]

Two questions for you.

1. Who is more influential in your sphere? The milf? Then prioritize her interests. She is obviously smart enough to figure out what you are doing. The fact that she didn't drop you suggests that she has uses for you in her world as you do for her in yours in addition to the fact that she finds you a worthwhile sexual partner. She is someone whom you enjoy physically and also someone you can learn from. So I am sure you understand that this is a relationship where you can benefit each other. She will scorn you openly if she is publicly embarrassed. Avoid this at all costs as it will not benefit you in her circles. Now that changes once you have established yourself in her circles independent of her. She may be a strong ally for you going forward if you are smart. She has high value according to your original post. Respect that and learn everything (and everyone) you can from her.

2. Why not just be straight up with your girlfriend? Why have her thinking anything other than the absolute unvarnished truth. If you have substantially higher market value than her then she will stay. You consider her a concubine. OK. That is NOT a girlfriend. In adopting such a stance you remove much opportunity for drama and strife. And while drama and strife may benefit you in the end, gaining you respect of some, there will be others who will shut you out who might have otherwise been resources.

If there are family concerns reguarding the girlfriend then weigh the family's connections against those of the milf. Marriage = respectable sexual relationship in many societies. If this is the case in a conservative culture then you need to be discreet above all else so you do not disrespect respected people.

Do not underestimate others' intelligence. If you do it will undercut you at the most inopportune time. There are people who can read you. The milf for one. There are others you may not see.

 

[Mot1veProgress]

Wanna hurt the girlfriends feelings and have karma working against you in life? Or do you want to just man up, and be a good boyfriend.. and let her know that you're having oneitis and want to explore threesomes.


Hope this helps your perspective a bit.

 

[Serenity]

Isn't this what SoSuave is? Exactly what i am accomplishing? Am i a coward or a meticulous strategist?

If i don't hold power, how is it possible to lull women to forgive cheating? It says less about them and more about my weaponry.

Lies? Is it a lie to sacrifice a rook to kill the queen? The opponent thought i was aiming to kill his pawn, but simply masqueraded my move to conceal its ulterior motives.

Don't wish it was easy. Wish you were better.

I don't wish it was easy, but I will not fvckin accept unfair dirty game. I'm good enough to handle that sh!t, but it's still sh!t. You're the sh!t and I'm at war with fvckers like you. You're a coward because you'd be buttfvcked if you were playing with open cards.

You're open about it here and you see what you get for it. I have absolutely zero respect for what you do and now I don't even believe you, you're full of sh!t and you admit to it. Get the fvck out of here. SoSuave isn't a place to fvck up society even more, it's a place for guys to learn how to handle women. It's entirely unethical to teach "men" to lie, deceive, manipulate, hurt and be selfish good for nothing idiots.

 

[Lozboss]

While I personally feel that being a Don Juan for some is about shagging about and shagging as many HBs as possible I can't and will never condone cheating.

I've never had a problem having some morals and also having a high lay count.

Sadly OP is a scumbag, and I don't believe that's what being a DJ is meant to be about.

 

[Ronaldo7]

@Desdinova

I'm only in it for the sex. The end justifies the means for me. It's not necessarily a situation where I don't feel bad. I simply understand how the world works.

Play or get played. Kill or get killed. Fvck or get fvcked.

@LiveYourDream

Haven't been diagnosed with that. I create my own placement. I do not let societies tags define who I am or what I do.

Find out how many of the most successful people possess the dark triad characteristics. Narcissism and Machiavellianism being the most common.

@j_syrinate

Unfortunately, I temporarily live in a country located in the New World. I consider myself a lone wolf in this society. I don't conform to it and don't care for its beliefs, culture or customs. The third world is an intricate maze, which I am above. Women want boyfriends and husbands, while shunning sex without commitment. Commitment is first and foremost to them. I'm a shark in a pond and I know I'll eat every other fish around me. I don't have to announce I'm the shark. They'll know when I strike.

I read anthropology, art, economics, philosophy, politics, psychology, & sociology books. War against women? Not at all. I just found a way to play the game and win all the time. There will always be losers and winners. Just make sure you are a winner.

I haven't been with that many women. I have have only involved my mind and my virile member with the women I've been with. Never have involved emotions, which is why I don't see how a woman could scorn me. My method never fails for me.

@Tictac

I've never said I was an amateur or an expert. I am the master of my own silence, while most people are slaves to their words.

I'm content knowing I used my talents for the good of my individual development and process. Only then will it be the moment where I'll be able to help others.

In regards to moral relativism, I am only concerned about achieving my dreams, goals and objectives, as should you. If anything I'm an entirely rational being and not a Puritan or an emotional sharpshooter.

What exactly is the issue here? That I don't care about other people's feelings? That I only care about myself? That I'm playing two women? Results are the only thing that counts. You shouldn't hate the player, you're abhorrence should be directed at the game.

@BeExcellent

I like both the girlfriend and the milf as sexual partners and the feeling is mutual obviously. Everything is true, but I have to lay low since she is going after my girlfriend and I must show my girlfriend I am a changed man. I know the milf still longs for me. My performances during the season have made me wanted by a lot of teams. The milf has the added bonus of having very hot girlfriends (her age and younger) and I know I have the necessary dexterity and finesse to pull off a threesome.

Women want the truth but can't handle it. She also serves her purpose as a call signal to potential other preys. She got her boobs done recently. I consider her a good investment. Definitely went up in stock value.

Hm. I don't necessarily consider her a concubine. I use different synonyms most people aren't familiar with to allure them into making them believe what they want. If they don't know the vocabulary, they'll nod without thought. I have different names for my plates. Concubine, Courtesan, Mistress and Paramour are some of them. After more people found out about the women i'm juggling, it has added the intrigue & mystery i was hoping for. With one of them (She is 35 and very well maintained), i definitely know i hooked her interest after that. With the other one, it might require a bit more panache from me. I have to show her how devastated i am and how distraught i am after immersing myself into such a mistake. She's the type who'd try to turn me from a bad boy to a nice guy. Blending to his surroundings is how the chameleon survives in the jungle.

Also, i don't underestimate others' intelligence. I underestimate my own to no avail.

The milf can't read me. She dug around and asked about me. She found out i had a girlfriend through those means. The milf has twice the experience i do, slept with more people and yet, if i'm honest, i played at 70% with her. Imagine if i had put 100% effort into it.

@Grewd

Dirty game? I'm not cheating at the game per say. It's all part of it. Unfair? Perhaps, but it still is valid.

Are you? Are you good enough to handle it? You'll miss opportunities i won't miss. Take your moral high ground, but do know that life is all about opportunities and jumping on to the next best thing. It seems you'd be reclusive to do so. Why are you at war with me? I don't consider you relevant, so you'd be like those people crying about Wall Street while the executives rake in the earnings. Sure, they are at war with Wall Street. Does Wall Street consider them relevant?

A coward? Do you play poker with open cards? In a warzone, there are many weapons to kill with. Just because i kill with a sniper rifle does not mean i'm a coward. You may prefer to kill with an assault rifle and actually expose yourself to being more easily defeated.

I'm getting laid, i'm meeting very attractive women and i'm getting it done my way. You must be doing a lot better than i'm doing then.

SoSuave promotes the end game i'm doing. Perhaps not all the means, but it's all about reaching the end of the road.

While I personally feel that being a Don Juan for some is about shagging about and shagging as many HBs as possible I can't and will never condone cheating.

I've never had a problem having some morals and also having a high lay count.

Sadly OP is a scumbag, and I don't believe that's what being a DJ is meant to be about.

It's usually the scumbag the one who gets the women, is it not? While i don't like tags or stigmas, i'll happily take this one.

It's all about results to me. Mayweather wins all of his fights. As if he cares what people think regarding his boxing style.

 

[LiveYourDream]

@LiveYourDream

Haven't been diagnosed with that. I create my own placement. I do not let societies tags define who I am or what I do.

As an aside to the ongoing discussion, as a personal query, I'm looking to understand if the current research trying to understand the 4%, matches your actual experience. Do you consider yourself in that population?

Ronaldo, do you experience having a conscience like the approximately 96% of the U.S. population or does your 'operating system' lack one completely, as is with the other 4%? The questions come from curiosity about how people, as I perceive you, experience life.

My understanding of the 4% is that it isn't an experience of a dial of conscience being turned lower than others, but that it simply does not exist for that 4%. I understand in their experience, they NEVER feel regret, guilt, have concern for the well-being of others. Is that true in your experience?

I understand their system only recognizes their own benefit, period and end of story. I understand that their focus is ALWAYS and ONLY serving their own goals without ANY concern for the fall out, EVER. Is that your experience?

In fact, I understand that any other focus than their personal benefit truly does not actually make sense to them. They can mimic the 96% as needed, but they never understand why the 96% operate as they do. Is that true in your experience?

I understand they can experience their whole life never knowing the experience of feeling guilt or regret, for even a moment, in their entire life. Is that true in your experience?

@LiveYourDream
Find out how many of the most successful people possess the dark triad characteristics. Narcissism and Machiavellianism being the most common.

I understand that many amongst the 4% often make great, great wealth at the expense others, or hold positions of political or corporate influence or leadership. I understand that many, living very public personas as well as those more ordinary, regardless most all have adapted strategies of mimicking socializations of the 96%, coupled with further deceit, well enough that most of the 4% can go undetected for long, long periods of time. Is that your experience as well?

I'm looking to understand if the current research trying to understand the 4%, matches your actual experience. Any insight would be appreciated.

One more question. Do those in the 4%, who lack a conscience, immediately recognize those like them? Have you ever been conned or manipulated unknowingly by one yourself?

 

[Serenity]

No point telling you anything, you don't listen. Don't let me be the judge of your game, let's just see how long it takes before you're crushed by reality. I'm fairly confident you'll pay for this at some point.

 

[SmooveMooves]

What's gonna cause him to pay? God? Lmao a poster said he'd have karma working against him. Bro if you think good things happen to good people and bad to bad you're going to have a hard time in the real world.

You know what's going to happen here... Op is going to string these women on for as long as he keeps his game tight. And even on a slip up, he still might keep them around. And you guys know this.

I think it bothers you that the game can be played just as 'dirty' as a woman's and success still achieved. But yeah, keep hoping some magical force is going to punish him for manipulating women. Which us what we all do here anyway.

 

[Jaylan]

Why so damn vague about where you live OP? You dont have to give us the exact country, but knowing the region would be helpful. Are you in South Asia? Eastern Europe? The Caribbean? Latin America? Where? Telling us you live in a "New World" country isnt telling us much. As that area of the world spans continents.

Im still trying to understand how a man who's been on this board for years still get pressured by society into having relationships he doesnt want.

Knowing the region you live in would be helpful to those of us analyzing your situation OP.

PS - And drop all that hyperbole you speak with. It's become overused and exhausting to read.

 

[Serenity]

What's gonna cause him to pay? God? Lmao a poster said he'd have karma working against him. Bro if you think good things happen to good people and bad to bad you're going to have a hard time in the real world.

You know what's going to happen here... Op is going to string these women on for as long as he keeps his game tight. And even on a slip up, he still might keep them around. And you guys know this.

I think it bothers you that the game can be played just as 'dirty' as a woman's and success still achieved. But yeah, keep hoping some magical force is going to punish him for manipulating women. Which us what we all do here anyway.

I'm not that delusional. I don't believe in God and if there is one he's not gonna do anything. Karma? In a way, but it's not some magical unknown force, people are the ones enacting karma.

I don't believe in any magical forces, but I know for a fact revenge is a real thing. OP is going to string them along for as long they don't find the truth, what happens after that is not entirely within his control. This is a risk and you know Murphy's law right? Nobody can play a perfect game at all times, his mistake is evident here. It takes just one bad slip-up to set off the landslide, it's not very likely he'll be able to evade it until death. Unless he ends it before it fails.

It doesn't bother or surprise me that men can play just as dirty as women, I already know this. It bothers me that people play dirty at all, it bothers me that people consciously hurt other people.

I'm not fooled by such people, it's amusing to witness how they think I don't know their game. I know one person who had the mindset OP has, I sure made life a living hell for that person when I found out how I was manipulated and lied to. There's no mystery force at work here, it's just me.

 

[BeExcellent]

There are many different people on this board with widely varied life experience, education, and backgrounds. The most successful at your manner of game tend also to be the most discreet. Even the most discreet can be read by an experienced eye. You are not as discreet as you imagine yourself to be. You are still young and do not see yet how your megalomania can be used against you and how you yourself could be manipulated. The intellectually arrogant are people who think they can see everything, and thus they are entirely stunned when they are exposed. And they greatly dislike exposure.

So what if your girlfriend finds out? According to you this all serves your goals. If you arise from a culture where your attitudes are not uncommon and where chastity (or the appearance thereof) is of extreme importance then you will have other men with far more resources and influence to deal with if you dishonor their family. In such an instance you will be dealt with harshly and unceremoniously. But beforehand you will be granted more than enough rope to hang yourself. In that way your persecutors may demonstrate justification. And in this way you may dishonor your own family.

Here is another maxim for you: A man with an experience is NEVER at the mercy of a man with a theory.

All the reading in the world cannot grant you the life experience of someone else with more experience and wisdom than you. The more life experience you gain the more you will understand how much you do not know, and cannot know. But at the moment you still suffer from the arrogance of youth. Intelligence and education are not the same thing. You can have one without the other.

Along the way you will run into someone who plays the game better than you. Perhaps a woman. And then you will learn who you are. But you are not there yet.

My final thought for you is this: Empathy is not weakness; it is a different type of intelligence at work. Intellectual intelligence and emotional intelligence are not the same thing. You may be intellectually brilliant/genius and emotionally bereft. Psychopathic genius falls into this category. If you are emotionally bereft or if you are incapable of empathy then that will be your Achilles heel. And you will not be able to mask this indefinitely because you cannot grasp what it really is.

Enjoy your playboy years and your youth. Youth will fade in time. Be kind to people who show you favor. And learn to be genuine. One day you may tire of using people and being used yourself. Not now. But one day. Cheers

 

[Ronaldo7]

Why so damn vague about where you live OP? You dont have to give us the exact country, but knowing the region would be helpful. Are you in South Asia? Eastern Europe? The Caribbean? Latin America? Where? Telling us you live in a "New World" country isnt telling us much. As that area of the world spans continents.

Im still trying to understand how a man who's been on this board for years still get pressured by society into having relationships he doesnt want.

Knowing the region you live in would be helpful to those of us analyzing your situation OP.

PS - And drop all that hyperbole you speak with. It's become overused and exhausting to read.

I live in Latin America. The New World is most often referred to the Americas.

If the case was where I'd be pressured by society, I'd have broken up with my girlfriend and spun plates without commitment.

I'm not pressured into anything. The only reason I got into this relationship is because she wouldn't allow sex without commitment. She's a great plate to have. Social value, very attractive and great intercourse.

In other words, I instill my influence in society and not the other way around.

 

[Tictac]

I live in Latin America. The New World is most often referred to the Americas.

If the case was where I'd be pressured by society, I'd have broken up with my girlfriend and spun plates without commitment.

I'm not pressured into anything. The only reason I got into this relationship is because she wouldn't allow sex without commitment. She's a great plate to have. Social value, very attractive and great intercourse.

In other words, I instill my influence in society and not the other way around.

A tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

 

[Jaylan]

I live in Latin America. The New World is most often referred to the Americas.

If the case was where I'd be pressured by society, I'd have broken up with my girlfriend and spun plates without commitment.

I'm not pressured into anything. The only reason I got into this relationship is because she wouldn't allow sex without commitment. She's a great plate to have. Social value, very attractive and great intercourse.

In other words, I instill my influence in society and not the other way around.

So you got into a relationship just to get sex, when the teachings of this site preach against that. Come on man... You don't get in relationships for sex. Especially with women you don't remain faithful to.

Your need to bang this one girl has taken away your freedom and pushed you into a life of sneaking around.

That's lame bro. Dump the girl and go live life. You don't sacrifice your freedom merely for sex.

If I really didn't want to be with a girl, I wouldn't commit just for sex. I would have bailed and found a woman who was ok with casually dating.

 

[Ronaldo7]

There are many different people on this board with widely varied life experience, education, and backgrounds. The most successful at your manner of game tend also to be the most discreet. Even the most discreet can be read by an experienced eye. You are not as discreet as you imagine yourself to be. You are still young and do not see yet how your megalomania can be used against you and how you yourself could be manipulated. The intellectually arrogant are people who think they can see everything, and thus they are entirely stunned when they are exposed. And they greatly dislike exposure.

I'm very discreet with my dealings. I'm being open here, which is the only venture I can expose myself as freely. If I'm honest with you, I wish I'd be exposed. It'd show me an scenario where said individual is at the same level of intellect as I am. It's a game where I always win and it has got to a point where it's too boring. Please elaborate as to how I'd be manipulated regarding women.

So what if your girlfriend finds out? According to you this all serves your goals. If you arise from a culture where your attitudes are not uncommon and where chastity (or the appearance thereof) is of extreme importance then you will have other men with far more resources and influence to deal with if you dishonor their family. In such an instance you will be dealt with harshly and unceremoniously. But beforehand you will be granted more than enough rope to hang yourself. In that way your persecutors may demonstrate justification. And in this way you may dishonor your own family.

My girlfriend did find out. She forgave me after. I carry myself with a very serious appearance and do not engage in activities where I will not emerge like a complete gentleman and an example to follow. The intellectuals love me, while the ordinary envy me. The intellectuals are the powerful people whom I am best serve to form alliances with.

Here is another maxim for you: A man with an experience is NEVER at the mercy of a man with a theory.

All the reading in the world cannot grant you the life experience of someone else with more experience and wisdom than you. The more life experience you gain the more you will understand how much you do not know, and cannot know. But at the moment you still suffer from the arrogance of youth. Intelligence and education are not the same thing. You can have one without the other.

Arrogance is not how I'd describe myself. I'd say misunderstood. I've built everything I have, I've pursued my ambitions and no one has introduced me to any women. I've got everything I have through my own merits and abilities. I don't take credit if it's not my own. I don't like sharing the spotlight, but it's only because I work arduously to bathe in the glory forthcoming. I don't engage the banalities of the world. I don't drink, I don't consume drugs and I don't party. I work solely on myself to achieve an enduring legacy where my potential was fulfilled and where I enriched myself as much as I could. I serve the world a lot more than commoners who only know to spout trivialities.

Along the way you will run into someone who plays the game better than you. Perhaps a woman. And then you will learn who you are. But you are not there yet.

I wish your second fragment would come true. I love challenges. I love when someone challenges me intellectually.

My final thought for you is this: Empathy is not weakness; it is a different type of intelligence at work. Intellectual intelligence and emotional intelligence are not the same thing. You may be intellectually brilliant/genius and emotionally bereft. Psychopathic genius falls into this category. If you are emotionally bereft or if you are incapable of empathy then that will be your Achilles heel. And you will not be able to mask this indefinitely because you cannot grasp what it really is.

Enjoy your playboy years and your youth. Youth will fade in time. Be kind to people who show you favor. And learn to be genuine. One day you may tire of using people and being used yourself. Not now. But one day. Cheers

I'm kind to those who are kind to me. I'm genuine in my own way. Nullius in Verba.

 

[BeTheChange]

Ignore the moralisers Ronaldo. All I see are a bunch of posters who dont seem to be aware of the irony of preaching their value judgements as objective truths on a bloody pick up site when most of society would do the same to them for posting on this site in the first place.

Actions have consequences. As long as you're willing to accept the potential fallout do what's best for you.

 

[Serenity]

I live in Latin America. The New World is most often referred to the Americas.

If the case was where I'd be pressured by society, I'd have broken up with my girlfriend and spun plates without commitment.

I'm not pressured into anything. The only reason I got into this relationship is because she wouldn't allow sex without commitment. She's a great plate to have. Social value, very attractive and great intercourse.

In other words, I instill my influence in society and not the other way around.

Wow that's dumb. You allowed yourself to be whipped into a relationship over pvssy, I do look forward to when she realizes this. She'll be able to use her pvssy to control you, because that's what you're after and what a man desires becomes his weakness. There's also the fact that your society pressures committment as you said, then you say you're not pressured by it? Seriously dude, open your eyes. You let yourself be pressured into committment for the sake of sex.

I'm not even going to bash you anymore for the cheating. Your game is too weak to last anyways.

I'm guessing you think you can just break up whenever you want, but have you fully understood the implications of committment? Have fun on that day, I doubt it will be as easy as you think.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Ignore the moralisers Ronaldo. All I see are a bunch of posters who dont seem to be aware of the irony of preaching their value judgements as objective truths on a bloody pick up site when most of society would do the same to them for posting on this site in the first place.

Actions have consequences. As long as you're willing to accept the potential fallout do what's best for you.

I'm willing to accept the potential fallout.

Being a celebrity means dealing with the photographers too. I understand the fact where I'll have potential chaos if I commit I mistake in the situation I'm in.

Wow that's dumb. You allowed yourself to be whipped into a relationship over pvssy, I do look forward to when she realizes this. She'll be able to use her pvssy to control you, because that's what you're after and what a man desires becomes his weakness. There's also the fact that your society pressures committment as you said, then you say you're not pressured by it? Seriously dude, open your eyes. You let yourself be pressured into committment for the sake of sex.

Not at all. The end justifies the means. A gold digger is not going to be so obvious in showing you what she wants, but she'll play whatever part is most effective to obtain her desire.

In her mind, I'm her boyfriend. In my mind, she's just another girl I'm sleeping with. See the difference? I have no attachment.

She can't control me. Even though I'm only into that, I'm an individual who holds no expectations or attachment in anything other than myself. If she goes, I'll replace her with someone else. If you think I'd be crumbled to my very soul, you are mistaken. Carpe Diem. If you don't invest any money, why would you feel bad if the stock went on a landslide? Simply because you don't have anything worthwhile put into it. Expectation.

My society pressures towards it. I don't care about its opinion. If you haven't realized by now, I do my own thing. I adapt to what I need and depending on what the situation requires me to do. Example: You can leave the hood, but can the hood leave you? It's all about your essence deep down. Were you pressured to commit for sex or did you just play whatever ACT/ROLE (read fake) to obtain your objective? I did the second. Proof of it is my nonchalant attitude towards everything that doesn't concern me.

I'm not even going to bash you anymore for the cheating. Your game is too weak to last anyways.

I'm happy you think my game is too weak. Truly am. As if LeBron James is going to care if some kid in the D-League thinks his game is weak. Results are the only thing that matters.

I'm guessing you think you can just break up whenever you want, but have you fully understood the implications of committment? Have fun on that day, I doubt it will be as easy as you think.

I have no commitment. That's what you fully do not grasp.

 

[Tictac]

I'm not pressured into anything. The only reason I got into this relationship is because she wouldn't allow sex without commitment.

You can't even comprehend your own typing. You are clearly a boy that attempts using words think for you and succeeded only in confusing yourself. When that doesn't work for you, you simply forget what you just typed. You type that you made no commitment just after typing that you did. Your words have no meaning whatever.

For you think or (even funnier) believe that your foppish words have any meaning outside your head is funny in a sad sort of way.

It's easy to see how you come to the conclusion that you're better than everyone else. It's because you type and think gibberish of no substance.

 

[Serenity]

I have no commitment. That's what you fully do not grasp.

Oh I get that, but I get that she IS committed. I also get that you don't keep to your word. All of that just means you cannot be trusted, I get that too. Your words then mean nothing, you mean nothing and you are nothing. When people finally realize that then you're going to be rejected everywhere you go, all that just because of some pvssy. It's not only destructive for others, but it's ultimately self-destructive. Fvck everyone else if you will, but this isn't even in your own selfish interest in the long run.

Few people are forgiving of and tolerant of what you're doing, those who do tolerate this are the ones who have no problem stabbing you in the back. You're dooming yourself if they find out, but please go ahead getting yourself rejected from society to be some lonely loser. That's how such people end up, not as high flying CEOs. If you're going to play the way you do then attention is the last thing you want, people look and they don't always see what you want them to see.

To avoid the entire issue you just have to learn how to fvck women without deception, lots of us are able to do it and skip all the unnecessary risks you're taking. This is why I think you're dumb.