girl turned ***** during pickup

[pyros]

Hi.

I just tried to pick up a girl and it was going good untill the last minute of the conversation where everything changed.

I was at my salsa class, I saw a girl that came today for the second time. At the end of the lesson another class more advanced was about to start so I grabbed a chair and sit so I could watch it. This girl was also watching the lesson but standing, so since there was another free chair I waved hello to her and suggested she sat there next to me, so she did.

We were watching the lesson and I started a conversation with her. We talked for around 15 mins. Some times when the conversation stopped, I did not do anything to see if she reinitiated it, and she did.
Then she asked for my name, and after this I asked hers, which was a very weird name, first time I hear it, it was 'Luela', and here it is where it got bad.

We talked for 10 more mins and still was going good. Then I realised I forgot my cell phone at home, so I said to her:
me: see this HB7.5, nice to meet you. I got a fabulous idea. Just hand me your cell phone and I will dial my number, since I forgot my cell phone at home.
her: hehehee ok.
me: please unlock it, good thanks...
her: by the way, do you remember my name? (!!!!!!)
me: (for some ****ing reason I could not remmember it perfectly) well, er, It was...I guess I do not remember it correctly, it was...Luala?
her: Luela.
me: oh thats right, I just missed one letter, Luela ok ok.
her: some people are going to have dinner afther the class, you come?
me: er, well, what time? I dont know...
I proceeded to enter my number...then I noticed she had a blackberry so I said:
me: oh, blackberry huh? weird, you live in prehistory.
her: heyy, dont say that, I just do not like smartphones.
me: have you watched Minority report the movie?
her: er...no
me: see? you live in Prehistory lol
her: what? come on, this is the second time you pick on me, you are too sarcastic.
me: well, I am the way I am. You're very sensitive.
her: well, we're not gonna get along this way, no, no.
And then she took her phone back in childish way before I finished entering my number.
me: hey, give it back to me little troglodyte (in a nice, fun way)
her: No, I dont want to.
me: what...? ok..., so you wont have my number...it could have been a fun adventure but...
Then she gave it back to me.
her: but come on, you picked on me two times, everybody would have learnt the first time.
And then she takes her phone from my hand, again, in a childish way one more time.
me: er...(I did not know what to do...) so you dont want my number?
Then she gives it back to me again, and I finish entering my number.
me: so where did you get that wallpaper you have in your phone?
her: did I give you permission to ask that?
me: er...what? uhmm...
her: well, are you coming to have dinner with us?
me: well, Im not sure...I will see you next week here anyway. Bye.
her: ok, bye.

P.S.
I was nervous at the begining of the conversation. THen I got relaxed, and then I got a bit nervous at the end when the thing about her name etc started, so when I dialed my number I did not wait to hear the tone, so I do not have any call from her number in my cell phone now.


I think:
A) I should have remembered her name.
B) I should not have said any sarcastic comment about her prehistoric cell phone, no joke here, and I would have just made a good pick up.
Right?

Im sarcastic in general, and I tease girls and everybody, but sometimes I tease too much a girl when I barely know her (first time I see her) and there are some girls that find this fun and enjoy it, but some others do not. So I guess I should not do this until I see them for the third or fourth time, because see what just happened today?
My comment about her prehistory phone was not so evil, but anyway I should have just avoided it, and keep a normal fun and ligh conversation.


What the **** was that 'did I give you permission to ask that?'
Is she retarded? is she a *****? is this a normal behaviour in this situation?
I liked the girl till she said this.
Should I pursue? on the right hand we had a pretty nice 20 mins conversation and she's hot, but it got bad at the very very end. All this mess happened in the last minute and a half. God dammit.

what do you think? do I pursue? what did I do wrong?

Thanks.

 

[Purefilth]

She has the "I'm so pretty you should be nice to me" syndrome.

I had the same comment from a girl.
HB "Be nice to me"
Me "why? are you going to beat me if I'm not?"
HB "Maybe"
Me "Well you'd better watch out, I might enjoy it."
HB*laughs*

Keep it chill, make a joke on a different level.
In your case though - I think she likes to be the 'princess'. Just treat her as anyone else - hot or not. She'll end up as a huuuuge headache otherwise, Trust me She ain't worth it bro.

Your points A and B -A = YES

B= If that's your way, and she doesnt like it, then you've just removed an uninterested chick from your list.
But yeah, I wouldnt have gone as far as calling her a troglodite.:crackup: However I do respect you for pushing that far.

 

[Eph]

I kinda agree with Purefilth. You seemed a little to eager to get your number in her phone, she knew it, and decided to test if you seriously cared about her having your number or not. That's why she kept taking her phone back, and handing it back to you. The first time you responded fine, but the second time it was "game over". You should of acted as if you really didn't care one way or the other. (i.e "Fine, if you don't want my number").

The "permission" thing I think was her testing you again. Personally I would have went for a "Did I give you permission to ask me that?" response. I think she was trying to see if you "bend over backwards" for her. You know, be a beta and let her lead. Or if you would take control, and put her in her place.

 

[Darth]

Testing for congruence.

 

[Mr. Bond]

A few thoughts here....


1. Don't get so wrapped up in remembering her name. Try to remember if you can, but if you forget, you can always ask her. It's only a big deal if you act like it's a big deal. If she's one of those girls who freaks out when you don't remember her name and goes "WHAT'S MY NAME!?", then fvck that b!tch. She's an insecure attention ho anyway.

2. The only things you did "wrong" were a result of being unsure of yourself. When she got angry (or pretend angry or whatever), you should have stood your ground IN YOUR MIND. I guarantee your words kept teasing her and your thoughts were going "Oh sh!t, I fvcked up. What do I do!?" and your nervous body language, tonality, etc shined through to her. In a way, you rejected yourself.

3. You did a good job of not jumping through her hoops. If you follow her lead, you will be treated like a chump. Way to say no to dinner. If anything, I would have been even more concrete in my answer. I would have just said no, some other time. I'm busy later. On the whole, good job though.

4. You aren't necessarily in a bad spot with this girl. She's seen that you're willing to bust her balls and you won't jump through her hoops. Some women have a very angry/aggressive reaction to this. Just stand your ground and know you're right.

5. Don't be unsure of yourself....just enter the number in her phone. Don't ask her permission to do anything.

Assume the sale with her. You'll see her again, and just keep it up. It is possible to neg a girl too much, so alternate between being a d!ck and being friendly. She may continue to flip out about stuff, but this is a female way of testing if you have balls of steel or not.

Good luck!

 

[VladPatton]

Classic case of a boring cute chick. What you experienced is personality incompatibility. She has a crap sense of humor, she doesn't "get" you. Because of this you will have to alter your character to be with her. Not good. You tied, she's a weird fit for you, so you move on. Props for getting her to talk. What you did was simple dialogue /a.k.a. screening that didn't work out, hence why you screen in the first place.

Looks and character are two separate entities.

 

[Plutoman]

I'd second what's already said... if she can't take a joke, and you crack jokes often, this girl isn't worth the bother.

A girl needs a sense of humor to be worthwhile. She takes herself way too seriously.

 

[The_DukeDEvlin]

her: some people are going to have dinner afther the class, you come?
me: er, well, what time? I dont know...

Why did you respond like that?

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

You need to build rapport before neg hits and sarcasm have the effect that you want.

 

[Masculinity]

She has the "I'm so pretty you should be nice to me" syndrome.

Correct. it's also known as an entitled attitude.

The "permission" thing I think was her testing you again. Personally I would have went for a "Did I give you permission to ask me that?" response. I think she was trying to see if you "bend over backwards" for her. You know, be a beta and let her lead. Or if you would take control, and put her in her place.

Exactly.

what did I do wrong?

Troglodyte: an ancient group of people from the African Red Sea coast :crackup:

Ahaha...alright...let me recover. Ahem! Okay, first the comment about her BLackberry being ancient is no big deal. I hope you know this is a "neg" or an "insult" to poke her ego and let her know you aren't going to bow down to her. So far, so good. You blew it when you negged her again with the movie question and then again with the Troglodyte comment (although I must admit it was funny). When a girl reacts other than positively to your neg, it could mean she is self-conscious, sensitive, or simply insecure. Personally, I would have rewarded her good behavior (of inviting you to the party) with something positive. You see, people don't like people who are negative or pick on others too much. I used to have the same problem and had to tone down my C&F and ball-busting.

Now, in reference to the "Did I give you permission to ask that?" comment. You should have put her in check. Either by saying "who says I need it? " or with what Eph suggested "Did I give you permission to ask me that?" Basically, she was throwing a shit test to see your reaction. You did not pass it. However, you did gain composure when you declined to having dinner with she and her friends.

Call her in a few days and act like nothing happened. Do NOT apologize! If she brings it up, just be like "haha, that was entertaining. Just relax, you'll be alright." She will try to mother-hen you. You haven't lost anything. She's just a little brat used to omega males.

Keep being money,

-R

 

[Demonpenz]

Hold the cell phone to her head and laugh and say to her "haha just gave.you brain cancer!!!" I call it my brain cancer opener.

 

[pyros]

Hi. See what happened, very weird thing.
Four days after my previous post, I added her on FB. She accepted and instantly wrote to me: 'you remembered my name! lol'
Then the next day I replied to her:
'of course! now make me a call so I have your number, cause you have mine but I do not have yours, and we may go for a drink sometime this week'
her: 'oh, I did not save your number , but take mine, its this XXXXXXXX'.
So she gave me her number.

Then, next day I contacted her via whatsapp.
Me: 'hey L, this is Pyros, how are you?'
(two hours later)
her: 'hi!! Im good, how are you?? Im going to this salsa club tonigth with my girl friend, wanna join us?'
(one hour later)
me: I dont know cause I have a birthday party tonight, maybe later in the night I might join you.
her: ok ok, have fun in the party.
me: you too!

Anyway, today I went to my salsa class and there she was. At the end of the lesson she said: are you gonna watch the next lesson or what are you gonna do?
me: yes, Im watching it for a bit.
So I grabbed two stools and she sat next to me, and...odd stuff coming:
we talked for 3 mins, ok so far so good, then the teacher asked me if I wanted to join the class, but I refused because it is too advanced. Then this girl asked me:
her: why dont you want to join the class?
me: cause it is too advanced.
her: but just join it, dont you think?
me: no no, but you can join it.
her: but Im a girl, and they need more guys, no more girls.
me: so what? maybe there is some girl that likes you more lol
her: you mean I look masculine?ç
me: ?(I did not mean that by far)
I changed the subject and we kept talking for two more mins when she interrupted:
her: oh, I cant talk to you because you made me upset by saying I look masculine.
me faking her voice: Im upset, you say I look masculine.
Then she went to sit in another stool one position further.
me: ????
her: ...
me: ok, but if you go so far you wont be able to talk to me you know.

Then I asked her something with a very low tone of voice so she could not listen what I was saying (thinking she would just come closer), but she just smiled.
Then she went to the bathroom, and I decided to join the class because there were several hotties.
After a while, I saw that she was talking to a guy (ugly one) and she started to 'dance' with him in order to follow the lesson as well.

Then, after the class finished, I just went to say bye to her, I grabbed her by her waist, and she laughed and said: hehe bye, I have tickles!

Is this girl just insane? what is this behaviour? first time I see this.
She reacted as a 'little princess' again to what I said, and she just sat in another stool but not before saying: ''I cant talk to you because you made me upset'' and doing this
with her face.

what????
I just wanna bang her coz she's cute but...
whats the best way to get to bang her? to bang this princess type girl?
I was thinking about just asking her out next wednesday or thursday. I have no damn idea if she's willing to meet me for a drink or she will refuse, or what really.

On the rigth hand she gave me her number, and invited me to join her and her girl friend to this salsa club, but on the other hand all this getting upset with me/princess syndrome thing.

Thanks.

 

[Masculinity]

This girl is interested in you in her own little manipulative and weird way. She is playing psychological games in an effort to have the edge in your interactions. I like how you used humor to diffused the masculinity comment--keeping your cool was one of the best thing you could have done. You were also persistent, which conveys that you won't allow her little girl games to faze you. Judge a woman by her actions; in the end she is inviting you to dance class and giggling when you tickle her, which are IOI's in my opinion.

I wouldn't try too hard with this girl. Just set up a hangout time and place and keep doing what you did in this instance when she throws shit tests at you, which are very likely to continue appearing. By the way, she danced with the other dude to try to get you jealous and/or to test if you would go after her; in other words, she's testing your interest. If it's nothing major, just go with the flow. If she putting in a negative position just ignore her and walk away (would like to be more detailed-oriented, but I lack facts upon which to structure my argument). If you get more facts, it would be much easier give you concise and relatively more accurate advice.

-R

 

[pyros]

hi, yes, but she invited me to meet her and her girl friend BEORE our last interaction where she reacted as a lady princess again, I dont know...

Anyway, lets say we arrange a date...if she behaves the same way, what should be my reaction?
just ignore her?
stop teasing her?
just treat her like my 6 years old niece?

I mean, lets say we meet and at some point she says 'oh you did that thing so im not gonna let you kiss me' or some bull**** like this, what do you do then?
do I just leave? lol
I mean, suposing she is interested, why behave this way? it just makes you think she is just not interested.
Normally when a girl behaves in a weird way, it just means she's not interested.

Thanks.

 

[pyros]

Hi.

Im also working on some other girls as well, and trying to pick up more BUT, since I have little success and many fails (girls that for one reason or another ,not always because of my mistakes, cant finally bang), Im a bit anxious.

So I just wanted some more advise on this particular case.

 

[pyros]

hi Brad.

Yes I realised that I cannot tease a girl (too much) first time I meet her and neither the second time...really untill we kind of know each other.

Anyway she seems like a very very sensitive girl, so I also understood that I cannot apply exactly the same game to all girls, contrary to what I used to think.

Anyway, what do you think about our second encounter? we were talking for 2 mins then she got 'offended' (I guess faking it) ,because she thought I called her masculine which I did not, and hse behaved the same way like my 6 y.o. niece:
we were sitting next to each other and she said: 'you made me upset so I cant talk to you'
and moved to the next stool.


I was gonna text her tomorrow to set a date. what do you think?

P.S.
did you read my second post?
Thanks.

 

[pyros]

Hi Brad.

I see your point, this way she may reconsider her behaviour towards me but, this way we're not gonna have any date either. Maybe in a couple of weeks?
Is it a bad idea to suggest a date now?

Thx.

 

[pyros]

update:

I asked her (today wednesday) out for drinks for next friday night.
Here's the convo:

me: hi L, how are you? see, we should go for a drink next friday night at X club.
her: hi! im good thanks. Yeah ok, but can I tell you tomorrow? I have an examn tomorrow and I have to see what I have to do on Friday too.
me: what examn? about your master? ok but tell me before the evening because I have to arrange things as well. We can also meet another time.
her: yes about my master what about next week?
me: alright, we'll meet next Friday. Good luck with your examn!
her: thanks

So, do I contact her again next wednesday to set up a date for friday?
or do I wait for her?
I really dont mind asking her out again, but if she doesnt agree or makes things complicated there wont be a third time.

what do you think?