Getting phone numbers minus rapport

[ManOMan]

Ive noticed something interesting from my experience when asking/getting phone numbers from girls.

Whenever I have gotten #'s from someone that didnt involve at least a 1 hour conversation, some rapport building, a kiss, "getting to know each other"

Those #'s were as good as GARBAGE

Im talking about chatting a girl up for 5 minutes, getting the # and leaving.

What happens in these scenario's? I havent demonstrated ANYTHING about myself. All I am is a stranger with a girls phone #. She only has a hint of my personality, yet she knows nothing of my virtues: Is he fun? is he nice? is he smart?

Conversely, I have a shoebox full of phone #'s Ive amassed over the last year. 70% of the phone numbers I never called. Why?

They were #'s Ive got from women in clubs, off the street, random places where I only had like 5-10 minutes of conversation or kissed at a club.

The memorable ones I DID call back where the women I talked to for a long time, or eventually got to know over time (i.e. waitresses or bartenders,over emails, phone conversations, etc)

My take is WOMEN are the SAME way.

I dont care what all these dating guru's say about "get the # right away and leave!"

That # is a worthless piece of TRASH

That is why so many women flake, dont show up, cancel or act wishy washy about dates.

Im curious about others here, what has your success rate been with # closes you have gotten and actually meeting for a date?

I have discovered I have no motivation to go out with a girl I just met, unless I have had a good glimpse of her personality, and know she will be enjoyable to hang out with.

My take is women are the same way.

 

[uniassign]

Try to get an instant date with the chick. This way you can talk to her for more and find out more about her.

What happens in these scenario's? I havent demonstrated ANYTHING about myself. All I am is a stranger with a girls phone #. She only has a hint of my personality, yet she knows nothing of my virtues: Is he fun? is he nice? is he smart?

Most girls will give you their number because their emotions say that it is OK. But then when their states die, they wouldn't want to go out with you.

Have you ever had a really cool conversation with a chick, and then the next day when you call her, she is like a completely different person? That's what I mean when I say chicks are so emotional.

So a good way to prevent this is take them to different places on the same night/day you meet them.

You have to slowly work your way with a cold approach chick. I usually get email and phone number. Especially the working girls who love to have emails that are not work related. They will chat with you on email and you can build comfort and rapport there.

 

[ManOMan]

Uniassign, good point

but instant dates are as rare as 4-leaf clovers (for me anyway)

I mean its a REALLY big step (and inconvenient) for a girl just to go out with someone they just met.

Most women are like men. They arent just emotional, but they have the mentality "out of sight out of mind"

When you meet them, everything is going swell, but after a few days pass, they dont even remember how they met you.

Im not actually complaining of a problem, but trying to explain some of the questions from this forum. "Why did she flake?" "How come she didnt call me back?"

and my answer is people didnt build enough of a connection with the women to be interested.

 

[uniassign]

I mean its a REALLY big step (and inconvenient) for a girl just to go out with someone they just met.

It's only a big step if you think it is. Remember when you just started, and approaching someone was a big step? Now it's no big deal.

Same thing with instant date. If you come across as not a big deal, the chick will respond the same way. All you need is a good hook point to get them interested in what you have to show them. Say you want to sit down and show them, and grab a coffee because you are thirsty or whatever.

Don't say: Let's get a coffee.

Say (in the middle of something interesting): I am getting a coffee, you are invited. (and just walk. she will follow).

 

[Ice Cold]

I've been doing cold approaches for more than a year now, I've started getting decent results with it, but IMO the "usual" approaches are better.

I am having the same thoughts you do.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Nearly every approach I did in 25 years was a 'cold' approach - I was extremely straight forward and sincere!!! There is nothing else a man can do if the situatuion doesn't allow for a 2 hour conversation. Be direct and sincere!

 

[jakethasnake]

This is a very fascinating thread.

 

[DankNuggs]

How do you know 70% of the numbers were bogus unless you called them??? You said you never did......


Why waste your time and money on drinks, putting yourself out there to make conversation, connecting and getting a phone number if you aren't going to call??? What are you afraid of? that she won't go out??? who cares...

 

[gav]

if u can project your personality (fun, witty, challenging etc) through your attitude, then sometimes five minutes should be fine for her to find out enough about u. However, if she is not going to open up at all and u end up closing having found out nothing about her, then it will both be difficult to decide what to do for a date and more importantly, whether u like her in the first place

 

[ManOMan]

Dank I never said they might be bogus, I just said I never called

they might be bogus who knows

but my point is I rarely call numbers unless there is some type of connection developed or rapport

I have even gotten #'s from HB 8, 9's that I didnt call

the 5 minutes get the #, is bogus

That is why women flake, they dont know you, nor do they want to expend the energy to get to know you

but my question remains and no one has answered, how many of you actually went on a date with a girl you briefly talked with , got her #?

Ive also noticed some girls are serial # givers, they give their #'s to 10-20 guys a night, and they dont remember you when you call

 

[Don Ronny]

You can build rapport over the phone!

Dude you are going about this all wrong. Those numbers are only worthless because you GAVE UP on them!

I have called girls WEEKS after getting their numbers but it doesnt matter because my phone game is tight and I get them laughing and feeling comfortable with me in no time at all.

To quote the great Mr. Mystery

"I´d rather hear them say no, than never know!"

Just keep practicin..In fact, call a few of them now and just say random sh!t,. DOnt matter cos uits practice, right?