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Something I've seen here of late (and I dunno how long it's been going on) is a trend of wanting perfect bodies and not wanting to put an ounce of effort, patience or consistency into it. Stuff like "disillusioned with bulking up" when they've only been doing it for a week. Or "I want a nice body but don't want to hit the weights". Or "I want hardcore gains, yesterday." Shiat like that, and I'm sure I could find some more examples but that's not the point of this post.

(I'm not totally familiar with the rules of this forum, if this counts as 'flaming' and is not allowed then please ban me, because I sure as hell intended to flame some of you - some, not all)

All you slackers and dreamers pull yourselves together, and ask yourselves just how badly you want to improve your bodies/health/fitness.

We live in a day and age where a phonecall or mouse click gets us nearly anything we want - from prostitutes to parma ham. And no, I'm not saying this is a bad thing as such (I happen to like parma ham), but it does tend to put people in the "spoonfeed me" mindset. Like they think they can drop 40lbs of fat or gain 40lbs of muscle overnight. Wake up and smell the morning protein drink - it ain't happening. There's two things in my view, that you can't change about yourselves without a huge deal of hard work: your mind and your body. BOTH can be improved to levels you'd perhaps never dreamed of, but you won't get there with the current mentality.

Talking from a point of view of bodily improvement, let me tell you that bodybuilding (or fitness in general really) isn't unlike a career. You get in early and stick to it meticulously, so in later life you're a great deal better off than people who didn't. Most of you guys are young (teens) so this is the prime time to get your attitude straight and learn what works and what doesn't. I'm not even going to go into specifics as regards nutrition and training because most people haven't got the mentality to listen to me. Most here are brainwashed by the absolute shiat posted on bbing.com or Flex or wherever - and yes, so was I when I was young, and wasted lots of time following those methods and getting nowhere, and that's time I lost which I'll never get back.

You know what physical improvement is? It's a fight against yourselves. The body strives for the comfort zone of 150-180lbs with a nice 15-20% bodyfat and will do everything in its power to stay there. This is what you've got to beat. And it is a bloody hard fight to win, let me tell you.

Some people are fortunate enough to be born beautiful - pinups like Orlando Bloom or Johnny Depp or anyone else you'd like to mention. These guys are made for life, because they were exceptionally lucky and will make millions just be smiling in commercials or starring in movies which'll be hits just because those guys are in them (not criticising them as actors, they're definitely not the worst I've seen - we're talking looks here). But the key word is EXCEPTIONALLY.

In much the same way, pro bodybuilders are few and far between - people like Paul Dillett and Flex Wheeler who can eat twice a day, train with light weights and still grow are genetic freaks, fair play to them. They can do their own thing and succeed.

People like this are like one in a million. No-one here (including myself) is anywhere near that genetically gifted, either in looks or muscular development potential. But how many pro bodybuilders didn't have to train brutally hard or actors have to rehearse like demons to get where they are now? They're genetically gifted above the rest of us and yet they still work their arses off - HOW THE HELL ARE US AVERAGE GUYS/GIRLS GOING TO GET ANYWHERE BY NOT BUSTING OUR BALLS/BOOBS FOR MONTHS OR EVEN YEARS?

There ARE people here who show the right dedication and work ethic - Lifeforce, Double, MindOverMatter (if only he would stop having seizures at the thought of more than 1g per lb target bodyweight - joking mate), and you can see from their pics that they worked damned hard for their physiques. They weren't born like that at all, they paid their dues and worked at it, didn't miss meals, ground out reps by sheer determination, cried, sweated and bled, and are reaping the benefits now (either by virtue of looking good or getting girls or whatever they want). Kudos to these guys for their dedication to the cause - even though I might not agree with their methods, I can't fault their willpower.

And that's just it, you've got to WILL yourself to improve. It is, appropriately enough, mind over matter - beating your body and making it do what YOU want it to do (grow muscle, burn fat, whatever) because it sure as hell doesn't want to be 250lbs shredded to the bone.

There is no magic pill - and no, steroids aren't the answer either, as so many people think. It's a huge misconception. Here's an interesting stat for you (and I'm sorry, for the life of me I can't remember the source) - 1 in 300 people in America (that's 1 in 300 of the general populace, NOT male bodybuilders) have admitted to taking steroids. Are 1 in 300 people huge muscular monstrosities? No they aren't. Pros take steroids when they've reached the peak of their natural genetic potential and can't progress without chemical assistance - and guess what, they don't just sit at home, watch TV and inject themselves every few hours, they train even MORE brutally and eat even MORE to make the most of their drugs.

I could write more but it's time for me to eat (I'm starving), so just you guys think about how badly you want to get better bodies, get your attitudes sorted out and THEN think about your diet, training and supplements - at which point I'll be happy to help out however I can. Lack of knowledge is perfectly forgiveable, lack of dedication or desire is your own problem.
 

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Great post Warboss!

Good to have people like yourself on board that know their stuff and can give solid advice.

Though personally, I haven't had any problems with bb.com in the past, I guess it's as with ss.com, you quickly find who dishes out the good and the bad advice...

Well, i've been inspired to push that bit harder tomorrow ;). Back day baybee!!!
 

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Great post.

I've been experimenting with diet and training this week in preparation for my real bulking when I get back from holiday abroad.

Here's some questions:

I gather you take the unflavoured whey? How do you make this stuff palatable? There's 5kg of this stuff sitting in my room, I've had about 4 drinks of it so far, holding my nose. Should I just keep going at it, and hope that I start to like it after a month?

How do you minimise the stiffness the next day?
 

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Who are you preaching to?

Newbies will always be on this site asking for the perfect body or asking for something. Thats what newbies do in every message forum every created. Silly little kids not looking to actually work hard or SEARCH but the quick fix and hoping that because they put the effort forth to make a thread then they will get that 'magic pill' you were talking about.

People will respond to this, say great post, but in the end it will fall to the bottom of the forum, be lost, and more newbies will come asking the same questions and you will be just as pissed off.

The people who already know their stuff, know this, and that is why there are so few people who know what they are doing still here. The people who get serious about lifting and making their body what they want often leave for other, more informed, forums and websites where the theme is less "If I do 100 situps a night will I get good abs?" and more "weightlifting done more properly"

I can't vouch for other people, but I have seen lifeforce's journal since the first post and his gains arn't exactly stellar for the weight he started with and is using now. Detirmination and wanting it more still doesn't replace the need for a good community and knowledge. If you have been lifting for 'many years' you would know that. The knowledge is in this forum already, but you need to search (search button) for it. Worry less about preaching to the choir hoping to change the entire forum with one post, and try to teach them to use the damn search button.
 

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TheRelic - glad you liked the post mate, it was (harsh but fair) words of wisdom such as these which gave me the proverbial kick up the arse in the past, and helped me train and push myself harder and make even better gains. Sometimes people need a kick, and I'm here to dish 'em out. :cool: Hope you had a good workout.

Simon - there's plenty you can add to unflavoured whey, I find Nesquick (chocolate drink powder) or regular cocoa powder works well, splenda, juice, milk, yogurt, fruit ..

Half a pint of milk, some cocoa powder and a couple of scoops of whey can be a nice 50g shake with minimal unpleasantness. (it tastes better iced, incidentally, you can leave it in the fridge for a bit if you want)

For the record I do just drink it down because I'm used to it, but I agree it's not the best stuff I've ever swallowed, lol.

By stiffness I assume you mean your muscles, because if you meant your whey then I think it's probably expired, and if you meant your w4ng then err.. I'd rather not go there.

Sore muscles are something your body will eventually get used to, I find a spot of light cardio (brisk walk or slow jog) helps aleviate soreness very much. As with chugging unflavoured whey, you'll get used to it eventually. :)
 

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Heizen - I agree on the choir thing, but there is a hope that there's a few people out there who'll listen. If not, hey, I did my bit. People took the time to help me, I'm giving back what I can. I never paid a trainer or bought any books, everything I know was freely given out of people's goodwill.

I don't agree that this forum is a hotbed of quality bodybuilding information though, there's very little here that I've found which is good information.

Without wanting to sound particularly patronising: you're 18, believe me you still have a LOT to learn (as do I, I learn new stuff every day..) - have you made better gains than Lifeforce or whoever, and can safely say that "this is the way to do it"?

I'm not holding a gun to anyone's head to listen to me. I'm not forcing anyone to take my advice. You can tell me that I'm a stupid f*ck and have got it all wrong if you want: I paid my dues, put in the graft at the dinner plate and the gym, got my body to a level I never thought possible, found myself a lovely girl among other things .. and I don't have to justify my posts to people who don't agree with them.
 

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I know I still have a lot to learn. Thats why I ask questions. But just because I am 18 and have alot of learn does not mean that everything you say is more correct than mine. Even though I am 18, I have been taught by people with many years on both of us. I am far from being brainwashed by flex or BBing.com.

And as far as weight gain and strength gains, yes, I have done better. Thats why I questioned saying that those kinds of people should be commended. Just because they lift and make some progress doesn't mean every should aspire to as have a 240lbs parrallel squat :p But I'm not going to say anything is THE way because a)Weightlifting is highly individualized and b)I know there are better ways then mine, I just havn't found them yet. I have changed my workout completely 3 times since I started, each time was better then the last, so I know I can only go up and become more experienced.

This forum isn't a hotbed for bodybuilding, but the threads in the past have covered some good topics and as I said, you can get a reasonably good start here.
 

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Why are you trying to convince me you know your stuff? I've no doubt that you do, so ignore this post and keep with your methods. Instead of posting here, why not post on someone else's thread and share some knowledge?

You don't have to prove anything to me mate. You have an opinion which you're entitled to (as do I), but I'm not challenging it.

I'm being serious by the way - if you've found something that works for you, then do by all means stick with it until you feel you can't gain anything more from the plan - that is THE best thing you can do.
 

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I'm not trying to convince you, I was just answering questions you have stated in your post.

I don't post in other people threads very often because everything they want to know has already been covered. If the searched they would find their answers much more quickly. Plus I know that alot of them will not have the dedication to do anything past make the thread, so I don't spend the time to post. I'd rather spend it on a more worthwhile site.

This is a dating advice site, not a bodybuilding one. Most arn't interested in eating 6 meals a day and lifting hard as they can go and learning about hypertrophy and perfecting their diet. They are feeling like they are doing something to meet girls instead. Hell most won't get to the 'lift weights' part. Thats why you see so many posts "I want a nice body, but I don't want to lift weights." Hell there was a kid on this forum earlier who swore up and down weightlifting made you weak, and his training was the way to go to build "Quality muscle". I tried replying to a lot of threads when I first joined, and the questions are always the same so I kind of burnt out on this forum.

"Everyone wants to be big but but ain't no one want to lift the heavy weights"
 

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Oh, and I might have gone on trying to prove my credentials because in reading only one post you thought I was a brainwashed flex reader because you hadn't seen me post before and my opinion differed from yours.
 

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LOL mate.. if YOU know you're not a brainwashed flex reader, that's good enough for me. If I was you, I would've just thought I was a retard for trying to help and left it at that. But I wasn't impinging your knowledge or whatever, I'm sorry you took it so personally..

(Notice I did say 'some, not all' in my post though. )
 
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heizen whats the point of your posts?

you are basically saying the forum is bad for bodybuilding, that lifeforce's gains arent good and that he and me myself are a bad example. you also say you know more and have better gains. whats the real problem with this? instead of making an own journal and showing the people here your methods and your results so that we can maybe learn from you - but no you are just posting we do things the wrong way without giving out real information about what can be done better. just blatter about how knowledgable you are, so either post some real information or just go to the supercoolprobodybuilding message boards.
 

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It's good you are making gains heizen. If you feel like it you can always give me a tip on what I do wrong and you do better so I can learn and improve. We are both here to get better.

I like your orignal post Alex, I think determination is what hold everything together, it's the stuff that make you go out of bed and have that last 500 g cottage cheese before you go to sleep when you can't hold your lids open, and the thing that force you to press out that last rep.

As long as you see that goal in your head and work for it you will long to get to the gym and you will eat when you need to eat. That's pretty cliché but it is true. And last, thanks man. =)
 

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You know there are those of us here that appreciate all the help you give Alex, and read threads to see opinions and such, even if not commenting. Seeing quality people come and go over the years, it's a shame when it happens. I'm not saying someone should come on and spend hours every day answering every post (imagine if Pook were to reply to all his worshipping fanboys) but just a little attention now and then is perfect. I think some people get burned out and disillusioned, and I don't think that's the way to go.

I came to Sosauve as most did... the dating and relationship stuff.... went through all those sections of the forums, still read good posts in the bible once in a while and such.

One day, I clicked the health and fitness tab, and was reading some of the threads. I had never realized that weightlifting, a class which I had just finished for my senior year of high school, had so many theories and stuff behind it. The speed of the board isn't super fast, not overwhelming, and the community is generally helpful, informative and acceptive here. There are those that know their sh!t, and if you stick around, you can learn a lot.

I've progressed onto other boards, IA, intensemuscle, etc.... but I stick around here as my main one....


... always looking for that guy who may need a boost in the right direction, or a little info that "search" would have popped up, but directed at him.
 

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Point me in the right direction

I've been working out for a few months, able to get really serious in the last month or so. I'm not looking at making gains already- just at perfecting the form, and getting as much knowledge as possible. Can you give me some sites you go to. I go to www.bodybuilding.com (not so much for advice) -what is wrong with it?

I eat 5-6 times a day:

Protein Shake
Oatmeal
Meal 1- Usually eggs and greens
Meal 2- Chicken/Meat and rice
Oatmeal
Protein Shake (Before bed)

...and exercise 3 times a week (all body parts). I'm making some progress, but if there's anyway to improve I'd like to know. Thanks.
 

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Oatmeal is not a complete meal, add milk or egg whites as a protein source.

If you're making progress and concentrating on form etc then good on you - once you've stopped making gains change to something different!

bbing.com is absolute cack.
 

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Originally posted by Warboss Alex
Oatmeal is not a complete meal, add milk or egg whites as a protein source.

If you're making progress and concentrating on form etc then good on you - once you've stopped making gains change to something different!

bbing.com is absolute cack.
Oats have a good deal of protein. Protein doesn't have to come from animals.
 

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Animal protein is complete yo, vegetable protein is not.
 

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btw alex i appriciate your comments, too. and thank you that you mentioned me. but i wouldnt be too hard with the guys who ask this question, just dont read their threads if you feel they are hopeless cases. but most people start out with low dedication but it improves with time. at least i know that i myself didnt want to change my diet (50%fastfood50%candys, alcohol every other day, but i did take 1(one!!!!) scoop protein powder on workout days) and my workout routine was one of the biggest **** ever. so, im saying it does take time to develop dedication and willpower. but a IMO a big part of the game is genetics, too, some people just seem to have more willpower genetically. a well known poster recently said that compared with the whole poplulation a higher percentage of people here have the ENTJ profile, i dont have it but at least i have INTJ which gives me the same drive for success, only with much more fear and less social ability lol. to sum it up, imo some people are blessed with better muscle genetics, some people are blessed with more willpower so dont be too harsh, relax man.

btw why do you disagree with our methods? at least i agree with your basic principles, up the ****ing weight/reps each time and at least 2g protein per lb's. only i currently cant take in enough protein but i hope soon things will be better and im back with a serious diet.
 

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Originally posted by doctoroxygen
Oats have a good deal of protein. Protein doesn't have to come from animals.
I was talking about the meal itself - meals should always contain a complete protein source. And no, oats are not a protein source - 100g of oats have 10-12g of protein, if you (like me) aim for 60-70g of protein per meal, would you eat 600g of porridge in a meal!? It doesn't have to be meat to be protein though, oats and cottage cheese or oats and egg whites is fine ..

Double, it's mostly the diets I disagree with .. 2g of protein per lb target bodyweight is my staple and I wouldn't ever consider less if I was serious about gaining more muscle. And ummm .. do these speed incline decline close grip benches you do actually work? I'm skeptical. In all you're doing a fine job, I just disagree with details, but if it's working for you then I'm happy! :)
 
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