"thinking" that you just GOTTA reproduce yourself! there is NOTHING special about your genes, and you don't "owe" society a damned THING. Society sure as hell aint going to HELP YOU A BIT. So why bother with kids? For SURE don't have any until you have enough money to RETIRE, so you can AFFORD baby sitters to help your wife. Otherwise, she will be exhausted and HATE life and hate you, way too often! Don't get married, either, if you can POSSIBLY help it, except maybe to a 3rd worlder,and figure on getting rid of one of those as soon as she gets her citizenship (ie, 5 years). Marriage is a TRAP for men, especially these days, and if you allow it to happen, you DESERVE what happens to you.