Game trumps looks and status?
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Dhoulmagus
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They have to give you a chance first which comes back to looks, money, status
bukowski_merit
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Girls profile on POF I read a few days ago:
"I get so much mail that it's hard to get my attention. So if you're going to write me - you better bring your A-Game. Unless you have really good looks or money; then you can bring your B-Game lol."
"I get so much mail that it's hard to get my attention. So if you're going to write me - you better bring your A-Game. Unless you have really good looks or money; then you can bring your B-Game lol."
People have heard me talk about the importance of fitness and appearance a bunch....but lord....reading something like that pisses me off. Then again, its POF, so what can you expect? I wonder how many good looking dudes have pumped and dumped this chick. I bet she made it really easy for them too.bukowski_merit said:
Anyways, to answer the OP's question directly, Elliot Rodger didnt get girls for the same reason he had basically no friends. The kid just didnt know how to interact with people and expect people to fall in his lap the same way everything else did in life. He didnt have to work for his money, status, car, or looks...he was born with all that stuff. The dude was pretty privileged, nevermind the entitlement complex.
He could have sure had some friends or girls fall in his lap if he at least let people inside when they talked to him. His neighbors tried talking with the kid, and inviting him out...but he just wouldnt connect with anyone. If you read his manifesto, youd see he didnt truly try to make friends or get women. If the kid at least knew how to carry on a regular conversation, he could have easily had the things he wanted in life.
IBreatheSpears
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He didn't have great looks. He looked like a girl. He wasn't good-looking, he was just "not ugly". He was a 6 at best.
He didn't have status either. Status has more to do with social dominance, which is what game is designed to emulate (outer game, at least; inner game is social dominance), and he definitely didn't have that.
All he had was wealth and even then (1) it wasn't his, and (2) younger women who aren't looking to settle down care less about money. Actually, let me reword that; they care about it as much, but you don't need as much of it. What I mean is, to an 18 year old girl, a guy with a BMW is no more attractive than a guy who has a Ford Fiesta and an older brother who can get alcohol and drugs. It's pragmatic. At that age, they have daddy's money so they don't need yours. But daddy aint' gonna buy his little princess weed (unless he's either a really cool parent or a really bad one) whereas her bad-boy boyfriend will.
He didn't have status either. Status has more to do with social dominance, which is what game is designed to emulate (outer game, at least; inner game is social dominance), and he definitely didn't have that.
All he had was wealth and even then (1) it wasn't his, and (2) younger women who aren't looking to settle down care less about money. Actually, let me reword that; they care about it as much, but you don't need as much of it. What I mean is, to an 18 year old girl, a guy with a BMW is no more attractive than a guy who has a Ford Fiesta and an older brother who can get alcohol and drugs. It's pragmatic. At that age, they have daddy's money so they don't need yours. But daddy aint' gonna buy his little princess weed (unless he's either a really cool parent or a really bad one) whereas her bad-boy boyfriend will.
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"How could he not be able to get girls"?LeonSK said:
How could he get girls!? Did you hear that kid talk?
That is a Grade A Kobe A-Hole right there...
The guy literally couldn't interact with people. Had any of us interacted with him I'm sure we would have gotten that creepy hollow feeling when you feel like you are talking to someone empty inside.
It's not so much about game as he couldn't really interact on a basic level and therefore his non-verbal cues and his inability to read non verbal cues made him undatable. Well, that and the fact he was the ultimate creepy "nice guy". Had he not been so self-rightous he still could have bagged women by being a douchebag, but playing super matryr is one of the fastest ways to scare women away.
It's not so much about game as he couldn't really interact on a basic level and therefore his non-verbal cues and his inability to read non verbal cues made him undatable. Well, that and the fact he was the ultimate creepy "nice guy". Had he not been so self-rightous he still could have bagged women by being a douchebag, but playing super matryr is one of the fastest ways to scare women away.
VladPatton
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They are all a bunch of tools for you to use. Think of them like dials and you have to tune each one to optimize yourself for the task you want to accomplish in life.
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looks gets you fast easy cheat frequent lays.... FACT
everything sales come in after looks money etc
everything sales come in after looks money etc
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BeDJ
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I have to say that social status trumps all. It can open the doors to many adventures. It's as simple as being a fun, outgoing person without worrying who you attract. I've gotten through to many women that I would have never had access to if it weren't for a social personality. Game is also important, but if you approach with the strict intention of 'gaming' women, you will find yourself disappointed most of the time. Game is a great tool once you have already overcame the barriers to entry.
I agree that social status can be in the top 3. but there is one thing that i'm confused about; let's say that you are a social person but you are picky as fvck when it comes to who you hang out with and who you date and you only go after quality not quantity. how do you manage being picky and having high quality plates?BeDJ said:
and when it comes to friends too. how do you manage having big social circles and building social status when you only find few people who are really that interesting?
can you explain more on those two points?
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BeDJ
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Sure, but this is just my experience. Please take it with a grain of salt.om1xr said:
Being a social person will open plenty of doors, there will be good seeds as well as bad ones. You won't really know until you are dating them. In my previous post, it's just a way of putting yourself out there and dating as many women as possible. Of course, you will need experience to identify red flags as they come. Just as the first date, you will never see red flags by merely having a conversation, much less a first date. If you are trying to find red flags during this process, you are definitely on a agenda (relationship seeking.) That is bad because you are on a defensive standpoint as much as possible. Don't think LTR material, but if you can connect in the beginning stages of dating; 'High quality' is VERY subjective and you will NEVER be able to identify it early in the dating process.
Coming to your second question as to how they can be interesting. EVERYONE is interesting in their own little way. When you approach with he mentality about how they are interesting to me, you will lose out on a LOT of opportunities. The moment you define your own interests superior to someone else, you will close many doors. Stop doing that. Everyone can be interested, please keep an open mind. You will never know the access of people they are connected with.
Very interesting. that was just some kind of a flow of thoughts and i'm not a beginner when it comes to game and dating but i'm still in my early 20s so there will be a lot more experiences and ups and downs to learn from.BeDJ said:
Btw i'm not looking for LTR, i'm just a fun/experiences/good times seeking kind of guy. and you are correct about avoiding immediate judgments and interacting with new people based on some kind of agendas or somethings like that.
you seem like an experienced guy and that's why i asked you those questions because there will be always a top and middle and a bottom when it comes to quality of girls based on everyone is taste and mood.
i always try to be objective and don't judge people based on my beliefs and ideas and opinions because that will lead to ignore and miss a lot of interesting people that may make a good companion/business partner/employee/employer or plate/girlfriend/FB.
so you have some great points in your last posts.
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BeDJ
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Thank you, I'm not at all experienced so take my words with a grain of salt. I'm very much learning as much as you are ;-)
I always do that's why i get more experienced with every day and month because life is meant to be lived by you and experienced by you not taking whatever others say and just be a sheep that has no own thoughts and realizations.
May i add that there is a some kind of lack in this forum in the social game or communication skills department because most people here who are inexperienced or suffer some kind of blockers like approach anxiety or have some feminine traits that make their dating life or social life in general very hard can be avoided or cured by learning and mastering communication and social skills and build some solid social circle. and i mean by practicing not reading pages after pages because that won't help you; it's like masturbating
I realized that most people who are by there own most of the time or lack having some interesting and outgoing friends suffer from social dysfunctions and anxieties more often that people with mediocre social circles and friends.
I don't mean that you can't be successful in dating and life if you don't have friends but social status and social skills and communications skills and the ability the read between the lines and interpret body language and words and actions the right way can do a great job the make your dating life and life in general more flowing and easy.
just my 2 cents
May i add that there is a some kind of lack in this forum in the social game or communication skills department because most people here who are inexperienced or suffer some kind of blockers like approach anxiety or have some feminine traits that make their dating life or social life in general very hard can be avoided or cured by learning and mastering communication and social skills and build some solid social circle. and i mean by practicing not reading pages after pages because that won't help you; it's like masturbating
I realized that most people who are by there own most of the time or lack having some interesting and outgoing friends suffer from social dysfunctions and anxieties more often that people with mediocre social circles and friends.
I don't mean that you can't be successful in dating and life if you don't have friends but social status and social skills and communications skills and the ability the read between the lines and interpret body language and words and actions the right way can do a great job the make your dating life and life in general more flowing and easy.
just my 2 cents