Fvck Getting numbers

[freedom_fighter777]

After getting hundreds of phone numbers and having nothing come out of it I've come to the conclusion that it just doesn't work. I'll get the classic "Uh, Can I call you back?" Or they won't pick up etc. I'm urging everyone on this board to follow me and ditch this old worn out method. If your going to give her your number just let her call its the only way you can tell if she's interested. Post your thoughts.

 

[Fenderules]

yeah thats true, but of course some girlz are shy and dont call you. Or they get stupid advice from their friends that say "only a guy and ask out a girl, i girl is not supposed to, or only a guy can call you first......" you get the idea.





Yeah i agree, phones are gay. I hate them with a passion. Thats my biggest weakness so i always keep convo's short. I'm not comforatble with them because i cant see who i am talking to and what they are expressing

 

[DeathDealer]

So you're saying I should give any girl my number and if she calls that's an indication of interest? Bzzzzt, WRONG.

 

[BLUEox117]

i hate the school system, but i use it to get to my future career,

you hate talkin on the phone, but you must use it to get to your future **** buddies. (or w/e ur looking for)

 

[Ricky]

Actually get the e-mail and the phone number. They won't always e-mail you back, but you can actually use it to compose a good response and load it with the ****y and funny.

 

[Vincent]

Some girls just give numbers because they know guys will give up. The only way you can know for sure is to try.

 

[diablo]

Originally posted by freedom_fighter777
I'm urging everyone on this board to follow me and ditch this old worn out method.

You're on your own. Like you said, you've gotten hundreds of numbers with 0% success. I've gotten tons of numbers and tons of success. Just because you can't make it work doesn't mean I'm going to ditch something that works well for me. Since this is one of the first posts of it's kind on the board I'll guess that most other people here also aren't having the same problems. Perhaps you might want to try working out your conversational skills in the meantime; if the first time you call sounds like nothing but dead air then of course they won't want to talk to you again. Why aren't you setting up a time for you to meet when you call? Food for thought.

 

[Trance]

My advice about numbers (from 2 posts):

You are in the club. You aproach a girl and start talking to her about regular stuff, and so on. You will probably number close her, but only in 10% of the cases see her again.

Really, we all know you want the whole thing to happen that night.
During months of consecutive clubing, i've came up with interest level tests that cant miss to realize in the minute what level are you going to get with the girl that night.



Step 1) The aproach

You are in the dance floor in the same spot for like 10m, checking out the same girl. She probably saw you checking her out, and when you do make an aproach, unless she gave you some sign, she will be freaked out.
You cant sit in a spot, and make an aproach after a certain time. It has to be casual. You gotta see, think and do it right in the minute. She's next to the bar dancing with her girl friends, and suddenly she goes for a drink, that's the moment!
She went to sit down a bit at stairs, chairs, sofa or some other spot and you pass by her, perfect time to aproach!
I could make a list of moments to aproach but you must be the one to realize the good timing to perform this, the time that it will be so casual, concise and perfect she cant possibly flake. You will even feel this confidence and dont even think you can miss.



Step 2) Interest level test #1

You JUST started to talk to her. After 1m or so:

"Its too loud in here, lets go over there so we can talk!"

This way you will see if she's interested enough in going with you to other place, and if she can leave her friends for a bit. If the does go with you, you're on. She will be isolated and you can talk to her at will.
Would it be better to just keep chit chatting her next to her friends, and after a bit when her friends went to other place of the club she would go along? No.

Now you know she wants to get to know you better, and that her friends can wait for her.



Step 3) The 15m talk

Now you will talk to her for about 15 minutes. Dont talk about normal stuff EVER! Just get to know the basics like name, age. No more talking about normal stuff, from now on its ****y/funny and flirting.
She's in college X? Sure you can say something funny about her college, make fun of it or some other.
She's younger than you a couple of years? You can tease with her about this.
She's wearing something special? Make a flirty coment about it.
She was dancing with her girl friend really close? Flirt about it.

I think you've got the point by now. The stuff you want to talk about isn't stuff you will have tought before, but things that will come up with the moment.



Step 4) Interest level test #2

Now after you've talked to her for a while, she know's if she's feeling you or not. Now you will "move" her again with the final test. If you made your game well by know, this will be easy to pull, much easyer than the 1st test because now there are no friends of her's around that can block you. Tell her something like:

a) Lets go get a drink!
b) Lets go dance!

Take her hand, and go on. You can say you go for a drink and go dancing instead, cause this way you will get to where i want you to.



Step 5) The close

Now you get with her to spot X and start dancing, get really close with her dancing right away, dont wait for latter. Realy close, hands around her a couple seconds latter, and face really close. Start looking her in her eyes, and moving both really slow and close, she is now feeling you, feeling intimacy between the two of you. Kiss her. Done.


I'll leave up for other article the end of night close to take her with you to your place, cause that art deserves a new article.



From other post:

After you do aproach:
a) state your intentions clearly and fast with a girl, start seducing her instead of chit chat. Talk about nothing but a couple of questions, and full flirt.
a1) if she's easy you gona score her with that confidence and game.
a2) if she's hard, she's gona find funny, and have a good time and laughs with you; you can still score her anyway.

b) you start chit-chatting about what you do, where you live, what you like, etc etc, no fun, boring talk...
b1) she will think you have no game, that if she wants action she'll have to get someone else, and you will probably end up in a status of getting a number to send messages and get no response.
b2) she is the boyfriend type of girl.. errrrr wrong answer... not many of these chicks go clubing regularly. You should have stick with plan A.

If you aproach a girl you dont know, and she doesnt live in your area, what are the chances of seeing her again? Come on, you want the whole thing to happen that night, so plz go back to option A and do it instead of B!!

 

[diablo]

Thumbs up. He might be from Portugal, but this works in the USA as well.

 

[Fenderules]

yeah i like that, and no phone bull****!


of course im not looking for one night stands so i'd have to modify that ab it (like not pick up chicks at clubs unless i sorda know her)

 

[Vincent]

Originally posted by Trance
My advice about numbers (from 2 posts):

Freiking awesome post, bible worthy.

 

[Fenderules]

signed! or at least put that in the archive

 

[david90]

how long were your convo pior to # close? i'm no expert but I do know that rapport needs to be estab. cuz girls won't go out with a stranger who approached them.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by david90
how long were your convo pior to # close? i'm no expert but I do know that rapport needs to be estab. cuz girls won't go out with a stranger who approached them.

This is what I've been saying. Some guys don't have the skills to gain good rapport when they first approach a woman but then they focus on the #close. WHY??!!! They can't gain good rapport face to face, what makes them think that will change on the telephone. That's probably why some women won't answer their phone or return messages from these guys, the face to face was painful enough.

Focus on the rapport and getting a date while you are face to face with your prospect. Why worry about a phone number when you could be going out for coffee with her right then and there? THEN, after she realizes how cool you are during coffee, there is a better chance that she will offer you her number for another date. Remember that you'd have to have good rapport with her AND raise her interest level for this to happen.

 

[Matt Rogers]

Don't give up. Dating is a numbers game and the thing is that unless you are very good looking, most girls will reject you or give you numbers with no intention of replying to your calls.
Doc Love said something like ask for 30 numbers, get 10 of which only 3 will be interested. So that means out of every 10 girls you ask out, only 1 will be interested in a relationship or dating.

Also at places like clubs and bars your chances are lower, than at a houseparty or a college class. Most girls won't want to go out with a guy they have only just met. If you aren't good at making a good first impression or aren't good looking, you may want to concentrate on getting to know a girl first through sports clubs, societies, lectures before asking for her number.

 

[Scought]

Id like to know what the original posters ideas are for an alternative to phone numbers?

Personally, I think phone numbers are of some value. I'm not into F closing the first night, just not my style and a lot of times logistics get in the way. (i.e. im with friends, or im too drunk to drive, etc, etc.).

How else do you get in contact with a woman after meeting her at a club?

And no offense, but if you are having a 0% success rate, what other alternatives would work? How else are you going to get with them? Take them home? How would that work if they wouldnt even call you back.

Are you guaging interest level? bothering them? making them feel guilty into giving you a number?

Its more to it than just the phone call. Granted, its hard for chicks to pick up a phone, but i'm not sure of many different alternatives.

I think your problem extends beyond the phone situation.

This weekend I got two numbers at a bar.
The first one was when the girl came up to me and talked to me and ASKED FOR MY NUMBER. I got hers as well, cause I knew its hard for girls to make the initial phone call.

Then I approached another girl and I asked for her number after talking awhile.

Guess what, Ive been out with the girl I approached and had fun. While the girl that asked me for my number hasnt called, after I called her 5 days after she asked for my number.

So, its more than getting numbers, to make you successful. It starts from the moment you enter the club/bar and extends to the phone call and more.

You need to start thinking about whats wrong instead of just altogether ditching the phone problem.

Its not like you can send the bat signal instead of a phone call to meet up.

 

[Trance]

The thing is being sure that a #close is worthy, by your actions and her's at the club. Like i said, state your intentions clearly, cause you know what you are there in the club for, girls know that too!
Dont be a *****, and make it happen, number close is ok IF you want to see the girl again, either cause something already happened, or cause both got a good impression from eachother and want to be together again.

 

[Fenderules]

yeah true.

 

[jason86]

You have gotten hundred of numbers and have nothing come out of it?! There seems to be some kind of problem there with you, which needs looking at.

Im working at the mall so have been approaching like crazy on my lunch break over the last 2 weeks. I made a pact to approach 5 girls each week. Ive approached 9 so far. Got 4 numbers. 3 of them were genuine, arranged a date with two after the holiday da-do.. the other one goes shes not free for 2 weeks coz of studies but definitly somewhere after that... and i believe her coz she does seem interested in me on the phone. So its going all good in the number games for me matey. This is the first time ive been approaching like crazy and damn its fun.

Tip for anyone approaching in a mall. I do my approaches when im just sitting down regurlarly on one the tables at somewhere like mcdonalds, etc. Then i just get eye contact, hold it. Check again for signals and then just go up and ask 'what you're munching on?. And it all goes from there.

 

[christz]

quick thing about phones and conversation.

obvoiusly if you got the # from the girl she's intrested. If you call and find that you can talk to the girl easily for 30 minutes and feel that the conversation could go on for hours without a drop in the conversation.

that's good chemistry, and it shows that you two can make a good couple because you got the most important thing in a relationship aside trust, and that's communication. and you guys click really well.

so when i get a phone number if conversating is like pulling teeth and it seems like i'm the only one talking. NEXT if the girl and me talk for 30 minutes and i feel like we can talk for hours. I'll keep her around see where things go.

all my LTR's have started with this principle.