Microphone Fiend
Master Don Juan
I posted this @ FS but them ****ers aint help me out. If you got exp. with older women or just exp in general help me out:
I've been here a while, but don't post often. I wouldn't call myself a full KJ because, I don't read this stuff everyday, but seduction is a thread of my life I want to get better at. From the words of Fight Club "Hitting rock bottom isn't a weekend retreat" This was the first weekend where I was out really pushing myself in the field but there should be more to follow.
Can someone HELP ME WITH THE QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THE FIELD REPORT and point out where I went wrong or the meanings behind the women’s actions?
Friday night
I get invited to this club, enter for free and get escorted in by the bouncer to the front of the line, that was cool, probably a little social proof. Anyways the girl who’s at the table with me is throwing a party and they’re all on the table dancing. Hbliteskinned tries to get on the table and dance, and I graciously decide to kino and help her get up. She thanks me and we get to talking and it turns out she went school close to where I went school. We talk a little bit longer than me or her (can’t remember) breaks away and I go and se who else is in the club. For the next hour or so, I dance and get nowhere in my halfhearted attempts to dance with girls. I kept waiting for signals that were not there. A woman that looked in her mid-late 20's walks by gives a lil EC and sits at the bar. I see Hbliteskinned a little later and she get to talking about how Cannucks don’t do it for her or something. She proceeds to talk about all the physical (read: materialistic) qualities she wants in a man, that I all ‘coincidentally’ have. (Yea, right) I graciously point out that I have all the characteristics she wants and she smiles and kisses me on both cheeks, so I point to my lips and raise my eyebrows and she playfully taps me on the nose and chin and walks away.
After that interaction I noticed HB25+ watching me from the corner of my eye, (social proof anyone?)so I decide to go in. I open and fluff forever. I asked her what she did for a living and she said office work to which I replied “I’m not going to lie that sounds boring” I think I was taking steps backwards perhaps, but I am in a club so I should be all about personality? Although I was C&F it felt like I was asking the same generic questions in the movies. She laughed at most of the jokes and stared at the extremely gay model -looking bartender. (I’m not calling him gay because he is better looking then me, though that never hurts, but because he was kinoing the male bartenders, and talking to all guys all night, and looking very metrosexually) I call her out on it and she says no she doesn’t like him. When the convo runs dry I just chill, lean my arm up against hers, and look around like the silence doesn’t bother me. She asks why I’m not dancing and I reply with some lame **** like “because the girl I want to dance with isn’t dancing” she doesn’t buy it. She says she has to go home soon, so I put my arm around her, smile, and say, “Let’s go!” To which she laughs, but at the same time it seems like she implies that it isn’t happening. They play a couple songs I like so I leave her and go dance with some people I know there and then I return from behind and put my forearms on her shoulders so that my hands are in line with her head. I see her look at me out of the corner of my eyes probably questioning my kino, but I act like it’s natural and don’t pay her any mind and stay causally looking around the room. She doesn’t say anything and they stay there until some blonde chick knocks me.
Hbliteskinned starts to dance in my view with another guy and steal glances at me. It was obvious so I said to HB25+ something about how I know women and their games (I know it sounds like bragging, but it worked very well with a friend, the way he did it was kinda like giving her ample warning, I did not achieve that) So HB25+ countered with “Why don’t you go dance with HBliteskinned” (backfiring social proof?) and then I say I only like dark-skinned women on some spur of the moment **** that probably sounded extremely racist/dumb looking back. After a couple more minutes fluffing she says she’s ready to go, so I say okay. I’m drunk and I put some time into this chick, so I tell her to kiss me. She declines twice and then I go in and pull out of it (don’t ask me why, I was drunk, next time I'll just kiss instead of asking) And then she says bye, sitting in the chair still so I’m thinking ****, she just tryin to get rid of me. So I say “Okay well get out of your chair so I can sit in it, move *****” (she didn’t hear it when I first said it, then the 2nd time I censored my anger, lol) She hesitates and then I guess sees where I called her bluff or whatever and then goes to get her coat. Then afterwards when she is leaving the club she makes and effort to smile and wave while saying goodbye to me? I don’t understand why she said that, maybe to try and social proof herself for the bartender? If she wanted to get out of the situation so bad, why did she acknowledge me?
I decide to get comfortable at the bar and just chill, surveying the scene, when some weird ass French Canadians losers come up with a black light shining it on my hat, and talking to each other and smiling. I ask them what and they walk away. The blonde behind me says that was weird and I agree stating they’re probably gay and I should’ve worn my wedding band to ward off the homos. (Role reversal
)She laughs and I say some other C&F stuff I can’t remember and a little later I knew the interaction was going well because she started to ask personal questions like my name, and she give up info on herself without asking. She said she lived in *insertrandomcitynamehere* and I said something like “Wow, you’re from there, I feel sorry for you” and kino her a little. Then she asks where I’m from and reciprocates the kino and joke. I pour on some C&F but a bit more ****iness this time. She asks if that routine ever works and I say actual yes it does sometimes (did failed the ****-test?) I countered with “Does the innocent coy routine ever work for you”. From there she said something about it being her first time @ the clubs, as it was mines, so she said we were virgins together or some ****. Me, being the horny teenager I am throw as much sexual innuendos my inebriated mind could manage. I said something about losing our virginity in the bathroom stall and she laughed. I hint at it a couple more times jokingly (but really being serious, and at one point I considered leading the way) but then I lay off so I don’t look like some guy getting quickies in tha bathroom all the time. Then some +35yr old dude she was talking to beforehand comes over and lingers around and then she says this is my coworker. We are introduced and she tells him instantly about my proposition of sex in the bathroom. Before he can respond negatively I say “She’s quite the classy girl isn’t she”. He acts disinterested and says if she wants to or something. Then after being the odd man out with us he starts talking to another chick and HbBlonde acts extremely relieved, saying he kinda sorta hits on her (why did she immediately tell him about my proposition? I dunno, to make him more jealous or something? Dumb chick logic) Anways, we fluff some more and then another dude comes and tells her sternly to hurry her drink so they can leave, and the bouncer tells me I have to go. As soon as I get outside I think “**** I should’ve closed!” So of course she never comes back out and I don’t get to close.
Saturday
I called my one-itis and she arranged for us to meet up together in this club. (her and 6 girls...sounds like a lost battle already, eh?) I get there but the cover for the club is more than I have so I call her to bum some money but she doesn't pick up. I end up skipping it and going to the same club as the night before. I get there and do a quick look around, and the girl from yesterday was not there. I danced with more women this time around and came to the stunning realisation that I can't dance for **** when it comes to grinding, I was everywhere except on cue.
Fast forward to the end of the night. I am sitting on a bar stool, and there is a guy with two women next to him. The one I am kinda digging is older (35+) and dancing a little further away, and so I wait for her to make EC, then I bite and lick my lips. She immediately comes in to the guy she’s with, asks him some mundane question, and then asks my opinion. I ignore what she says and shoot off my own opener. I was ****y and of course, the age difference comes up because she is older than me marginally. I say the clichéd “Age aint nuthin but a number” and get an laughter and applause by the set. The guy was definitely more Alpha than me in a subtle way, maybe it was the age. Anyways for the most part we are just talking, me and her, but she flips the convo and it ends up with me trying to explain why she should sleep with a younger man. Does anyone have any good insight on what to use in this situation? It was like she switched up on me and I started qualifying for her. Maybe I should have DLV'd her and given her reasons against it?
The conversation dies down and I am just chilling in the room detached almost and a couple minutes later some other guy comes up and hugs her and I just quietly leave and get my coat nonchalantly. I get the coat and she just happens to be looking around and makes EC when I return. She says she’s ready to go, and I put my arm around her and say “my place or yours?” It gets a laugh but nothing else. I left the club shortly after and stumbled my way home.
I've been here a while, but don't post often. I wouldn't call myself a full KJ because, I don't read this stuff everyday, but seduction is a thread of my life I want to get better at. From the words of Fight Club "Hitting rock bottom isn't a weekend retreat" This was the first weekend where I was out really pushing myself in the field but there should be more to follow.
Can someone HELP ME WITH THE QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THE FIELD REPORT and point out where I went wrong or the meanings behind the women’s actions?
Friday night
I get invited to this club, enter for free and get escorted in by the bouncer to the front of the line, that was cool, probably a little social proof. Anyways the girl who’s at the table with me is throwing a party and they’re all on the table dancing. Hbliteskinned tries to get on the table and dance, and I graciously decide to kino and help her get up. She thanks me and we get to talking and it turns out she went school close to where I went school. We talk a little bit longer than me or her (can’t remember) breaks away and I go and se who else is in the club. For the next hour or so, I dance and get nowhere in my halfhearted attempts to dance with girls. I kept waiting for signals that were not there. A woman that looked in her mid-late 20's walks by gives a lil EC and sits at the bar. I see Hbliteskinned a little later and she get to talking about how Cannucks don’t do it for her or something. She proceeds to talk about all the physical (read: materialistic) qualities she wants in a man, that I all ‘coincidentally’ have. (Yea, right) I graciously point out that I have all the characteristics she wants and she smiles and kisses me on both cheeks, so I point to my lips and raise my eyebrows and she playfully taps me on the nose and chin and walks away.
After that interaction I noticed HB25+ watching me from the corner of my eye, (social proof anyone?)so I decide to go in. I open and fluff forever. I asked her what she did for a living and she said office work to which I replied “I’m not going to lie that sounds boring” I think I was taking steps backwards perhaps, but I am in a club so I should be all about personality? Although I was C&F it felt like I was asking the same generic questions in the movies. She laughed at most of the jokes and stared at the extremely gay model -looking bartender. (I’m not calling him gay because he is better looking then me, though that never hurts, but because he was kinoing the male bartenders, and talking to all guys all night, and looking very metrosexually) I call her out on it and she says no she doesn’t like him. When the convo runs dry I just chill, lean my arm up against hers, and look around like the silence doesn’t bother me. She asks why I’m not dancing and I reply with some lame **** like “because the girl I want to dance with isn’t dancing” she doesn’t buy it. She says she has to go home soon, so I put my arm around her, smile, and say, “Let’s go!” To which she laughs, but at the same time it seems like she implies that it isn’t happening. They play a couple songs I like so I leave her and go dance with some people I know there and then I return from behind and put my forearms on her shoulders so that my hands are in line with her head. I see her look at me out of the corner of my eyes probably questioning my kino, but I act like it’s natural and don’t pay her any mind and stay causally looking around the room. She doesn’t say anything and they stay there until some blonde chick knocks me.
Hbliteskinned starts to dance in my view with another guy and steal glances at me. It was obvious so I said to HB25+ something about how I know women and their games (I know it sounds like bragging, but it worked very well with a friend, the way he did it was kinda like giving her ample warning, I did not achieve that) So HB25+ countered with “Why don’t you go dance with HBliteskinned” (backfiring social proof?) and then I say I only like dark-skinned women on some spur of the moment **** that probably sounded extremely racist/dumb looking back. After a couple more minutes fluffing she says she’s ready to go, so I say okay. I’m drunk and I put some time into this chick, so I tell her to kiss me. She declines twice and then I go in and pull out of it (don’t ask me why, I was drunk, next time I'll just kiss instead of asking) And then she says bye, sitting in the chair still so I’m thinking ****, she just tryin to get rid of me. So I say “Okay well get out of your chair so I can sit in it, move *****” (she didn’t hear it when I first said it, then the 2nd time I censored my anger, lol) She hesitates and then I guess sees where I called her bluff or whatever and then goes to get her coat. Then afterwards when she is leaving the club she makes and effort to smile and wave while saying goodbye to me? I don’t understand why she said that, maybe to try and social proof herself for the bartender? If she wanted to get out of the situation so bad, why did she acknowledge me?
I decide to get comfortable at the bar and just chill, surveying the scene, when some weird ass French Canadians losers come up with a black light shining it on my hat, and talking to each other and smiling. I ask them what and they walk away. The blonde behind me says that was weird and I agree stating they’re probably gay and I should’ve worn my wedding band to ward off the homos. (Role reversal
)She laughs and I say some other C&F stuff I can’t remember and a little later I knew the interaction was going well because she started to ask personal questions like my name, and she give up info on herself without asking. She said she lived in *insertrandomcitynamehere* and I said something like “Wow, you’re from there, I feel sorry for you” and kino her a little. Then she asks where I’m from and reciprocates the kino and joke. I pour on some C&F but a bit more ****iness this time. She asks if that routine ever works and I say actual yes it does sometimes (did failed the ****-test?) I countered with “Does the innocent coy routine ever work for you”. From there she said something about it being her first time @ the clubs, as it was mines, so she said we were virgins together or some ****. Me, being the horny teenager I am throw as much sexual innuendos my inebriated mind could manage. I said something about losing our virginity in the bathroom stall and she laughed. I hint at it a couple more times jokingly (but really being serious, and at one point I considered leading the way) but then I lay off so I don’t look like some guy getting quickies in tha bathroom all the time. Then some +35yr old dude she was talking to beforehand comes over and lingers around and then she says this is my coworker. We are introduced and she tells him instantly about my proposition of sex in the bathroom. Before he can respond negatively I say “She’s quite the classy girl isn’t she”. He acts disinterested and says if she wants to or something. Then after being the odd man out with us he starts talking to another chick and HbBlonde acts extremely relieved, saying he kinda sorta hits on her (why did she immediately tell him about my proposition? I dunno, to make him more jealous or something? Dumb chick logic) Anways, we fluff some more and then another dude comes and tells her sternly to hurry her drink so they can leave, and the bouncer tells me I have to go. As soon as I get outside I think “**** I should’ve closed!” So of course she never comes back out and I don’t get to close.Saturday
I called my one-itis and she arranged for us to meet up together in this club. (her and 6 girls...sounds like a lost battle already, eh?) I get there but the cover for the club is more than I have so I call her to bum some money but she doesn't pick up. I end up skipping it and going to the same club as the night before. I get there and do a quick look around, and the girl from yesterday was not there. I danced with more women this time around and came to the stunning realisation that I can't dance for **** when it comes to grinding, I was everywhere except on cue.
Fast forward to the end of the night. I am sitting on a bar stool, and there is a guy with two women next to him. The one I am kinda digging is older (35+) and dancing a little further away, and so I wait for her to make EC, then I bite and lick my lips. She immediately comes in to the guy she’s with, asks him some mundane question, and then asks my opinion. I ignore what she says and shoot off my own opener. I was ****y and of course, the age difference comes up because she is older than me marginally. I say the clichéd “Age aint nuthin but a number” and get an laughter and applause by the set. The guy was definitely more Alpha than me in a subtle way, maybe it was the age. Anyways for the most part we are just talking, me and her, but she flips the convo and it ends up with me trying to explain why she should sleep with a younger man. Does anyone have any good insight on what to use in this situation? It was like she switched up on me and I started qualifying for her. Maybe I should have DLV'd her and given her reasons against it?
The conversation dies down and I am just chilling in the room detached almost and a couple minutes later some other guy comes up and hugs her and I just quietly leave and get my coat nonchalantly. I get the coat and she just happens to be looking around and makes EC when I return. She says she’s ready to go, and I put my arm around her and say “my place or yours?” It gets a laugh but nothing else. I left the club shortly after and stumbled my way home.
