FR: 4 approaches at the jubilee.

[ElStud]

Well today was the second day of the Jubilee and I got 4 approaches in today, this is probably the most number of approaches I've ever gotten in one day so far. The Jubilee is basically like a carnival, there's rides, there's food, there's entertainment, and there are games. I don't know why, but it's hard to approach here for some reason, mainly because girls are usually always around other guys already.

Approach #1

- I went up to this group of girls walking and say "Hey, how's it going?" they say "Good" and I start cold reading saying "You look like the kind of girl who would go on one of those high rides, and then when it comes down, you would throw up on me". She says "What?" and shes like "I'm confused", I say "Confused?" and shes like "Yeah".

Didn't go too well. This was my first time testing out the cold reading approach.

Approach #2

I approached this group of girls from another school walking and say "Hey, how's it going?" they say "Good", I say "So have you guys been on any of the rides yet?" they're like "Yeah, we have" and then I say to one girl "I bet you're that type of girl who would go on one of those high rides and throw up. Yeah, I could see you and me up there, and then when the rides comes down, you throw up". Not sure what happened exactly after that, but then have a conversation.
- She asks me stuff like "How old are you?" and "When are you getting your license?", I remember asking her how old she was and she said 14. Eventually more of her friends come and she's like "Meet my new friend", ofcourse talking about me. One of her friends just happens to be the girl I approached earlier, and her friends talk about how I used the same line. Then she was like "You used that on her too? I thought we had something between us" joking ofcourse. Eventually she starts joking around about how she's a lesbian, blah, blah, blah.
- I ask her why she's a lesbian she says she hates men. Blah, blah, blah, ask her why she hates men she says she hates pen*ses. We talk about that for a while, somewhere along the line I'm like "Lesbians are cool" and she's like "You want both of us?.
- Somewhere along the line this dude who knows my bro, tells the girl that I'm his brother and the girl, who knows my brother somehow, says "Why are you his brother?".
- Somewhere along the line they jokingly ask "Have you drank anything lately?" and I'm like "No, I'm a pretty sober guy" the girls like "Good, I like that in a man".
- I forget what we were talking about, but somewhere along the line I'm like "You gotta understand baby, I'm not a fast guy like that. I have to get to know you" and I kinoed her.
- She goes far with that lesbian joke and is like "Maybe if you get a vaginal implant or something like that then I'll go with you" and I'm like "Sorry baby that's not happening" and she stops, and she's like "Okay, see you later".
- After she says see you later, while I'm walking away I accidentally step on the back of her shoe and she's all embarassed.

- Pretty good approach. I actually think the chick sort of liked me, because after this approach she kind of avoided me whenever I saw her afterwards.

Approach #3

I go up to these 2 sophomore girls who go to my school. I say "Hey, how's it going?" they're like "Good", then I'm like "Have you guys been on any of the rides yet?" they're like "No" then I say to one of the girls something on the lines of "You look like the type of girl who would go on of those really high rides and then when it comes down really fast, you would throw up on you. I can see it now, you and me up there on the ride and then it drops down real fast and you throw up on me" and the girls are laughing while I say this. Then that girls like "No, I'm not that type of girl"" and I'm like "Can you prove it?" and she's like "No". After that I'm like "So what do you girls think of the weather?" one girls like "It sucks" and I'm like "Yeah, let me tell you the weather has been crazy lately, one week it's hot, another week it's cold, you'd think mother nature could make up her mind?" and one of the girls is like "Yeah, it's really weird". Then I say "So let me guess are you a nature nut?" and shes like "What?" and I'm like "A nature nut" and she's like "Well I care about nature, but no" then her friends like "Well [friendsname] I have to go to the bathroom" and I'm like "I'll see you guys later".

Pretty good approach, got a few laughs.

Approach #4

I approach this group of girls and say "Hey, how's it going?" they're like "Good" and after that can't remember whether or not I asked them about the weather, but then I said "Yeah, let me tell you this weather has been crazy this week, first it's hot, then it's cold---" then like b*tches those girls cut me off and leave.

Girls cut me off before I could finish. Wasn't really that good of an approach.

 

[Lust]

Well today was the second day of the Jubilee and I got 4 approaches in today, this is probably the most number of approaches I've ever gotten in one day so far. The Jubilee is basically like a carnival, there's rides, there's food, there's entertainment, and there are games. I don't know why, but it's hard to approach here for some reason, mainly because girls are usually always around other guys already.

Approach #1

Didn't go too well. This was my first time testing out the cold reading approach.

Approach #2

- Pretty good approach. I actually think the chick sort of liked me, because after this approach she kind of avoided me whenever I saw her afterwards.

Approach #3

Pretty good approach, got a few laughs.

Approach #4

Girls cut me off before I could finish. Wasn't really that good of an approach.

Ok mate, a few pointers based of what i have read so far.

Firstly, you need to come up with better things to say. The weather and "how was your day" crap is setting yourself up for a blow out, unless you have HUGE social proof, which by the look of things, you don't.

Your opener. "Hey guys, how's it going?" - Get rid of that. Now.

Replace it with something, anything, I don't care what. I've opened with "Woof, woof woof woof", so you have no excuse not to come up with something different.


I'm going to get into detail with your openers, because you need a lot of work here. You must ROOT and TIME CONSTRAINT every opener. Eg.

Lust: Hey guys, I need you to help me out with something, but you have to be quick, I have to meet up with my girlfriend.

Ok, the above line does wonders, it's simple, but so many things are happening here.

Firstly, "You have to be quick" is a time constraint. When you first approach a group of hot girls, the first thing in their mind is "How long is he going to take?". So we stick that line in to keep the b*tch shields down.

Secondly, "I have to meet up with my girlfriend". Awesome line, so many things going on. You are disarming, because you have a girlfriend, you have disqualified them and they will subconsciously want to qualify and validate themselves to you, and you are being attractive by showing them that you are pre-selected by other women, you have a girlfriend.

Those two points where for the "Time Constraint" part of the opener, now to the rooting.

You must root an opener, in other words, you must have some reason to speak to them (Unless you are heavily peacocked, which is what i love to do).

If you don't have a reason, you just like like a weirdo.

Eg.

Lust: Hey guys, i need your help with something, but you guys have to be quick, I am suppose to be meeting my girlfriend"

Targets: Ok, sure. What?

Lust: Righto, you know those metro shirts? Like the one I'm wearing? Do you think it's a good idea? Like my mates call me gay, but I don't care, I'm an attention wh0re, love it. (The attention wh0re bit is to get rid of the self conscious aspect, but you don't need it with every opener)

Targets: Laugh (Laughing disarms women, and lowers their defense)

Lust: Anyways, i was talking to this random while waiting for my girlfriend, and after about 3 minutes, i swear to god he was hitting on me! I told my mates and they said it was the way i dress, what do you guys reckon? You like my style? (Rooting, I told them why i was asking, because i was getting hit on by another guy)

Do you understand? I come into the set, i disqualify them, i tell them i have a girlfriend which is the "Pre-Selection" attraction switch, I time constraint, lowering their defenses, I make them laugh, lowering their defenses even more, i root my opener so i don't look like an idiot for asking out of no where, and it's a subject that women are good with and love to share about, fashion.

That's an example of a really good opener, but that doesn't mean you are going to use it. If you wear baggy jeans and oversized "gangsta" clothing, it's not a good idea to run with this. I wear tight bright yellow and blue wife beaters, i carry around a ukulele, i have a mini ponytail, i wear this black feminine glove. I actually do look borderline gay.

Which brings me to my next point.

Your self image. I have my own image, it works. You need to interact with your own image, and it must be congruent with you. You can't talk like an aussie and be wearing a yankies cap.

Transitioning. You can't go from "Hey guys how's it going?" to a cold read. Doesn't work that way, cold reading is usually for comfort, unless you are really skilled, leave it for comfort. You need to build some attraction first. And don't cold read with the same stuff over and over, every girl is different, train your eyes to pick out little things you notice about their body language, posture, movement etc... then make the cold read. Don't say the same line over and over with a bunch of different girls. If they find out, you are officially branded desperate.

You need to pump the attraction. Demonstrate high value. Also, make sure you peacock, you stand out. That helps for opening sets.

No more amateur sh*t. I know you can come up with better stuff than that.

If you are really having trouble, i suggest the Style Life Challenge. I'm already providing it for Super Chill, you may as well do it too. It's the best for everyone, experienced, newbies, intermediates, whatever you are it will benefit you.

Here is my Style Life Challenge thread: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=123136

I think you can do better than this. Take in what I have said, you will improve.

If you would like to get an idea of how I am doing (I have only been approaching since the start of the year), check out my approach journal in my sig.

Good luck, I'm sure you can do better, and keep up the consistency. Make sure you have at least 4 hours a week just to sarge and have fun! It's important! Don't go out and stress stress stress over sarging! Make sure you are having fun!

-Lust

 

[ElStud]

Ok mate, a few pointers based of what i have read so far.

Firstly, you need to come up with better things to say. The weather and "how was your day" crap is setting yourself up for a blow out, unless you have HUGE social proof, which by the look of things, you don't.

Your opener. "Hey guys, how's it going?" - Get rid of that. Now.

Replace it with something, anything, I don't care what. I've opened with "Woof, woof woof woof", so you have no excuse not to come up with something different.


I'm going to get into detail with your openers, because you need a lot of work here. You must ROOT and TIME CONSTRAINT every opener. Eg.

Lust: Hey guys, I need you to help me out with something, but you have to be quick, I have to meet up with my girlfriend.

Ok, the above line does wonders, it's simple, but so many things are happening here.

Firstly, "You have to be quick" is a time constraint. When you first approach a group of hot girls, the first thing in their mind is "How long is he going to take?". So we stick that line in to keep the b*tch shields down.

Secondly, "I have to meet up with my girlfriend". Awesome line, so many things going on. You are disarming, because you have a girlfriend, you have disqualified them and they will subconsciously want to qualify and validate themselves to you, and you are being attractive by showing them that you are pre-selected by other women, you have a girlfriend.

Those two points where for the "Time Constraint" part of the opener, now to the rooting.

You must root an opener, in other words, you must have some reason to speak to them (Unless you are heavily peacocked, which is what i love to do).

If you don't have a reason, you just like like a weirdo.

Eg.

Lust: Hey guys, i need your help with something, but you guys have to be quick, I am suppose to be meeting my girlfriend"

Targets: Ok, sure. What?

Lust: Righto, you know those metro shirts? Like the one I'm wearing? Do you think it's a good idea? Like my mates call me gay, but I don't care, I'm an attention wh0re, love it. (The attention wh0re bit is to get rid of the self conscious aspect, but you don't need it with every opener)

Targets: Laugh (Laughing disarms women, and lowers their defense)

Lust: Anyways, i was talking to this random while waiting for my girlfriend, and after about 3 minutes, i swear to god he was hitting on me! I told my mates and they said it was the way i dress, what do you guys reckon? You like my style? (Rooting, I told them why i was asking, because i was getting hit on by another guy)

Do you understand? I come into the set, i disqualify them, i tell them i have a girlfriend which is the "Pre-Selection" attraction switch, I time constraint, lowering their defenses, I make them laugh, lowering their defenses even more, i root my opener so i don't look like an idiot for asking out of no where, and it's a subject that women are good with and love to share about, fashion.

That's an example of a really good opener, but that doesn't mean you are going to use it. If you wear baggy jeans and oversized "gangsta" clothing, it's not a good idea to run with this. I wear tight bright yellow and blue wife beaters, i carry around a ukulele, i have a mini ponytail, i wear this black feminine glove. I actually do look borderline gay.

Which brings me to my next point.

Your self image. I have my own image, it works. You need to interact with your own image, and it must be congruent with you. You can't talk like an aussie and be wearing a yankies cap.

Transitioning. You can't go from "Hey guys how's it going?" to a cold read. Doesn't work that way, cold reading is usually for comfort, unless you are really skilled, leave it for comfort. You need to build some attraction first. And don't cold read with the same stuff over and over, every girl is different, train your eyes to pick out little things you notice about their body language, posture, movement etc... then make the cold read. Don't say the same line over and over with a bunch of different girls. If they find out, you are officially branded desperate.

You need to pump the attraction. Demonstrate high value. Also, make sure you peacock, you stand out. That helps for opening sets.

No more amateur sh*t. I know you can come up with better stuff than that.

If you are really having trouble, i suggest the Style Life Challenge. I'm already providing it for Super Chill, you may as well do it too. It's the best for everyone, experienced, newbies, intermediates, whatever you are it will benefit you.

Here is my Style Life Challenge thread: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=123136

I think you can do better than this. Take in what I have said, you will improve.

If you would like to get an idea of how I am doing (I have only been approaching since the start of the year), check out my approach journal in my sig.

Good luck, I'm sure you can do better, and keep up the consistency. Make sure you have at least 4 hours a week just to sarge and have fun! It's important! Don't go out and stress stress stress over sarging! Make sure you are having fun!

-Lust

What do you mean by the look of things I don't? I have tons of friends, but of course I'm not going to go sarging with them.

What's so bad about "Hey, how's it going?" the way I see it, it really doesn't hurt nor help me, just something to open with.

And I thought cold reading was for pumping attraction man, how do I pump attraction?

Plus, I don't actually have a girlfriend so I couldn't use that. Like, dude, what if they find out I don't have a girlfriend afterwards?

 

[Snow Plowman]

Lust posted some solid advice. But remember like I had told you there are many ways to go about it. In Lust case was mainly MM structure. An now you'll get my feedback from the perspective as I see it.

- I went up to this group of girls walking and say "Hey, how's it going?" they say "Good" and I start cold reading saying "You look like the kind of girl who would go on one of those high rides, and then when it comes down, you would throw up on me". She says "What?" and shes like "I'm confused", I say "Confused?" and shes like "Yeah".

I'm assuming your Voice wasn't good an maybe your eye contact because your cold reading didn't hit at all. Were you being playful about it? Also right after you said your cold reading did you move on? You could've came off reaction seeking which if you are no sort of attract material would work if your seeking a reaction.

Remember you have to plow through the set. Her saying "What?" is a perfect oppurtunity to play as if she is a little slow.

"O I'm sorry I didn't rrreaaliizeee III Haaaddd tooo spppeaaak slooower...I can already see there will be a huge speech barrier in this relationship...OOO Craappp I'mmm Sorrryyy II foorrrgooott III Hadddd tooo speaakk sloweerr."

Remember who cares about her reaction or what she thinks, you just need to plow through. Think of her saying "What?" as the "Look".

I approached this group of girls from another school walking and say "Hey, how's it going?" they say "Good", I say "So have you guys been on any of the rides yet?" they're like "Yeah, we have" and then I say to one girl "I bet you're that type of girl who would go on one of those high rides and throw up. Yeah, I could see you and me up there, and then when the rides comes down, you throw up". Not sure what happened exactly after that, but then have a conversation.
- She asks me stuff like "How old are you?" and "When are you getting your license?", I remember asking her how old she was and she said 14. Eventually more of her friends come and she's like "Meet my new friend", ofcourse talking about me. One of her friends just happens to be the girl I approached earlier, and her friends talk about how I used the same line. Then she was like "You used that on her too? I thought we had something between us" joking ofcourse. Eventually she starts joking around about how she's a lesbian, blah, blah, blah.
- I ask her why she's a lesbian she says she hates men. Blah, blah, blah, ask her why she hates men she says she hates pen*ses. We talk about that for a while, somewhere along the line I'm like "Lesbians are cool" and she's like "You want both of us?.
- Somewhere along the line this dude who knows my bro, tells the girl that I'm his brother and the girl, who knows my brother somehow, says "Why are you his brother?".
- Somewhere along the line they jokingly ask "Have you drank anything lately?" and I'm like "No, I'm a pretty sober guy" the girls like "Good, I like that in a man".
- I forget what we were talking about, but somewhere along the line I'm like "You gotta understand baby, I'm not a fast guy like that. I have to get to know you" and I kinoed her.
- She goes far with that lesbian joke and is like "Maybe if you get a vaginal implant or something like that then I'll go with you" and I'm like "Sorry baby that's not happening" and she stops, and she's like "Okay, see you later".
- After she says see you later, while I'm walking away I accidentally step on the back of her shoe and she's all embarassed.

- The start was ok because the set did open an all that matters
- The part where they found out you used the same line an she said that. It was the perfect oppurtunity. "Yea" CLAW her in "I have to tell you a secret...I cheated...after 10 great years I've cheated on you for her." Play off of that get the other girl involved. So many things you could've played off of with that.
- It seems like you failed some sh!t tests. Her saying she is a lesbian and all. An I'm assuming you reacted to her when she said "You used that on her too? I thought we had something between us." and when she said she was a lesbian you did react. You started qualifying yourself which killed the attraction you may have had in the start.
- This girl was throwing a good amount of sh!t tests at you. She was attracted to some extent, but you failing all these sh!t tests is making her notice its not the real you an attraction is going down.
- Overall you started off good but those sh!t tests killed you, sometimes its better to ignore them an just continue moving the pickup in the direction that you want it too. The thing you did was after the beginning you made them control the interaction, when really you should be controling the whole interaction from open to close. In this case you lost everything when she introduced you to her friends.
- Also if a girl is attracted to you she wouldn't avoid you. It's just because you messed up later on in the interaction an she ejected that way she doesn't have to be around you anymore.

I go up to these 2 sophomore girls who go to my school. I say "Hey, how's it going?" they're like "Good", then I'm like "Have you guys been on any of the rides yet?" they're like "No" then I say to one of the girls something on the lines of "You look like the type of girl who would go on of those really high rides and then when it comes down really fast, you would throw up on you. I can see it now, you and me up there on the ride and then it drops down real fast and you throw up on me" and the girls are laughing while I say this. Then that girls like "No, I'm not that type of girl"" and I'm like "Can you prove it?" and she's like "No". After that I'm like "So what do you girls think of the weather?" one girls like "It sucks" and I'm like "Yeah, let me tell you the weather has been crazy lately, one week it's hot, another week it's cold, you'd think mother nature could make up her mind?" and one of the girls is like "Yeah, it's really weird". Then I say "So let me guess are you a nature nut?" and shes like "What?" and I'm like "A nature nut" and she's like "Well I care about nature, but no" then her friends like "Well [friendsname] I have to go to the bathroom" and I'm like "I'll see you guys later".

- You started off good the set opened...but you reacted after you seen the cold read work by asking "Can you prove it?" that is coming from a place or reaction. Remember don't worry about there response just keep the pickup going. This isn't her time to speak right now its your time to convey your personality.
- You killed it with that weather crap. Your right now trying for rapport and taking value. A big no no. You killed the set right here.
- The girls realize there was no more fun so she went to the bathroom as a way to leave the set. That last cold reading shouldn't have been used.

I approach this group of girls and say "Hey, how's it going?" they're like "Good" and after that can't remember whether or not I asked them about the weather, but then I said "Yeah, let me tell you this weather has been crazy this week, first it's hot, then it's cold---" then like b*tches those girls cut me off and leave.

Probably no fun as there is little to know about the set. Only thing though you weren't leading because if the girls could cut you off and leave. It means you didn't have a strong frame and you wasn't holding there attention at all. If the conversation thread your using isn't going well then just cut it off an start a new thread.

Overall you opened two sets which is better then when I first started talking to you. Your still coming off as reaction seeking and still trying to talk based on what the girl gives you. It's good later on but at the beginning you want to convey your personality quickly.

Also you need to start kinoing. The first minute you should be kinoing. The whole time your learning the process from open to close you should also be focusing on kinoing or else you'll end up in the friend zone.

 

[WesCottII]

Thats not a cold read dude.

A cold read would be something like palm reading. "You're the kind of person thats strong and confident on the outside, but sometimes shy and reserved on the inside, you sometimes feel isolated" - all women think that this applies solely to them, and you'll get huge kudos for telling them.

 

[ElStud]

Lust posted some solid advice. But remember like I had told you there are many ways to go about it. In Lust case was mainly MM structure. An now you'll get my feedback from the perspective as I see it.



I'm assuming your Voice wasn't good an maybe your eye contact because your cold reading didn't hit at all. Were you being playful about it? Also right after you said your cold reading did you move on? You could've came off reaction seeking which if you are no sort of attract material would work if your seeking a reaction.

Remember you have to plow through the set. Her saying "What?" is a perfect oppurtunity to play as if she is a little slow.

"O I'm sorry I didn't rrreaaliizeee III Haaaddd tooo spppeaaak slooower...I can already see there will be a huge speech barrier in this relationship...OOO Craappp I'mmm Sorrryyy II foorrrgooott III Hadddd tooo speaakk sloweerr."

Remember who cares about her reaction or what she thinks, you just need to plow through. Think of her saying "What?" as the "Look".



- The start was ok because the set did open an all that matters
- The part where they found out you used the same line an she said that. It was the perfect oppurtunity. "Yea" CLAW her in "I have to tell you a secret...I cheated...after 10 great years I've cheated on you for her." Play off of that get the other girl involved. So many things you could've played off of with that.
- It seems like you failed some sh!t tests. Her saying she is a lesbian and all. An I'm assuming you reacted to her when she said "You used that on her too? I thought we had something between us." and when she said she was a lesbian you did react. You started qualifying yourself which killed the attraction you may have had in the start.
- This girl was throwing a good amount of sh!t tests at you. She was attracted to some extent, but you failing all these sh!t tests is making her notice its not the real you an attraction is going down.
- Overall you started off good but those sh!t tests killed you, sometimes its better to ignore them an just continue moving the pickup in the direction that you want it too. The thing you did was after the beginning you made them control the interaction, when really you should be controling the whole interaction from open to close. In this case you lost everything when she introduced you to her friends.
- Also if a girl is attracted to you she wouldn't avoid you. It's just because you messed up later on in the interaction an she ejected that way she doesn't have to be around you anymore.






- You started off good the set opened...but you reacted after you seen the cold read work by asking "Can you prove it?" that is coming from a place or reaction. Remember don't worry about there response just keep the pickup going. This isn't her time to speak right now its your time to convey your personality.
- You killed it with that weather crap. Your right now trying for rapport and taking value. A big no no. You killed the set right here.
- The girls realize there was no more fun so she went to the bathroom as a way to leave the set. That last cold reading shouldn't have been used.



Probably no fun as there is little to know about the set. Only thing though you weren't leading because if the girls could cut you off and leave. It means you didn't have a strong frame and you wasn't holding there attention at all. If the conversation thread your using isn't going well then just cut it off an start a new thread.

Overall you opened two sets which is better then when I first started talking to you. Your still coming off as reaction seeking and still trying to talk based on what the girl gives you. It's good later on but at the beginning you want to convey your personality quickly.

Also you need to start kinoing. The first minute you should be kinoing. The whole time your learning the process from open to close you should also be focusing on kinoing or else you'll end up in the friend zone.

Thanks for the advice man. But about the second set, what could I have said instead of reacting? Should I have ignored her and just changed the topic? Yeah I liked to know that. Also for the third set, same thing what could I have done instead of reacting? Just ignore it? I'd also like to know that. And one last question, if I see either of the girls from the 3rd set again, should I talk to them again? It's not likely I'll see the girl from the 2nd set again because she's from another district, but who knows, I might see her at the jubilee next year.

And yeah, I did kino on the 2nd and 3rd approaches. Basically put my hands on the girls shoulders.

 

[ElStud]

Thats not a cold read dude.

A cold read would be something like palm reading. "You're the kind of person thats strong and confident on the outside, but sometimes shy and reserved on the inside, you sometimes feel isolated" - all women think that this applies solely to them, and you'll get huge kudos for telling them.

Whatever it was, it got the girls laughing. But I think something like that would classify as a cold read because I'm guessing what kind of girl she is, without really knowing anything about her. So I think both what I said and your example would both be cold reading.

Let's not get off topic here, Mctwist.

 

[WesCottII]

Whatever it was, it got the girls laughing. a joke?
But I think something like that would classify as a cold read because I'm guessing what kind of girl she is, without really knowing anything about her. So I think both what I said and your example would both be cold reading.

Let's not get off topic here, Mctwist.

No, no, you CAN tell a girl stuff about her without knowing her. It's the same thing as Physcics do "I bet you were sad recently...." Duh? Isn't everyone?

But because you said it, you get kudos for it.

Use this one.

You're the kind of girl that likes adventure once in a while right? I bet you get bored doing the same thing day in day out.....