For Women, Redefining Marriage Material

[MatureDJ]

http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/for-women-redefining-marriage-material/

An interesting debate about a suddenly new social phenomenon.

 

[Splendidostring]

Who cares, let them have children ... alone

 

[zekko]

I'm really concerned about men's place in the new economy (or lack thereof).
And WHY do so many more women than men go to college? Are guys too busy being rebels, playing video games, drinking, and chasing pvssy that they can't get their sh!t together and try to improve their lives? The fact that so many women are outperforming them and outsmarting them is downright embarassing. Men need to step it up.

 

[sodbuster]

Hey, it means less competition for me and my sons[more my sons,been there,done that,overpaid for the t-shirt.]

 

[mrRuckus]

This is great news as I get older. All the 15 year old girls getting ready for college now will be 23 when I hit my late 30s and won't have any male peers to get with worth a damn.

Hot dog.

 

[zekko]

Hey, it means less competition for me and my sons

How does this mean less competition? I've heard over and over on this board that a guy's money and career mean absolutely nothing to women unless they are golddiggers. These same posters say all you need is tight game and confidence - the girl will then notice that she is dealing with a real man and start peeling her clothes off. They also portray any guy with a good job and money as an AFC who gets stuck in the provider role while they, the true DJs, screw their wives behind their back.

 

[mrRuckus]

How does this mean less competition? I've heard over and over on this board that a guy's money and career mean absolutely nothing to women unless they are golddiggers.

You have?

 

[Colossus]

I dont think stay-at-home dads are the future. Men are industrious and make sh!t happen. We will find a way to make a living.

Personally I really dont give a rat's as$ if uppity women want to have kids 'by themselves'. See how happy they really are. Women cannot have their agendas met without men.

 

[zekko]

You have?

You haven't heard guys say that on here? I get the general impression it's mostly the guys who don't have any money who say it, but yeah I've seen it on this board a lot. I don't think you have to have money to get a woman, but it doesn't hurt.

I've posted this before, but it makes so much sense I'm going to post it again: A girl once told me that guys with good careers are attractive, not so much because of the money they make, but because it shows they are capable and know how to handle themselves. If a guy doesn't have a good career, then he's failing at life. How is a woman supposed to look up to a guy who can't get his sh!t together?

 

[sodbuster]

One of the main proponents of money isn't an issue got dumped,I think he's realized the truth. He was her "pizz of daddy bf", now she's looking for the provider type for a real relationship. It' doesn't matter when she is 18-25 or so,but then suddenly it becomes more important. When she's looking to hatch her eggs,a man who can provide a nest is important

 

[Nutz]

I'm really concerned about men's place in the new economy (or lack thereof).
And WHY do so many more women than men go to college? Are guys too busy being rebels, playing video games, drinking, and chasing pvssy that they can't get their sh!t together and try to improve their lives? The fact that so many women are outperforming them and outsmarting them is downright embarassing. Men need to step it up.

Men do not need to step it up. They need to check out of the current system and let women reap what they've sowed. The system is completely rigged against boys now and it's getting worse. The only real option in the meanwhile is to pump & dump and when you do want to settle down to go expat to a place where women are still women and men are still men. I wish I had a rosey solution and more practical advice, but that's the cold hard reality in which we face until things get turned around.

Read The War Against Boys for a quick primer on how this happened and where things are headed.


Now for the core of this thread, everyone needs to read this as he did an excellent job dissecting the claims they make and explaining it in real terms:

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/one-key-to-marital-success-have-fewer-options/

 

[zekko]

Men do not need to step it up. They need to check out of the current system and let women reap what they've sowed.

Just to clarify, I was not saying that men need to step it up for women, what I meant was men need to step it up for themselves. Women are now more likely to be employed than men, and they are more likely to be college graduates than men. I guess the next step is women will be earning more. This is a failure on the part of men. How is this acceptable?

 

[squirrels]

http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/for-women-redefining-marriage-material/

An interesting debate about a suddenly new social phenomenon.

Interesting? If you have a vag!na, possibly.

Men who have a good handle on their balls could care less what a bunch of media dykes who feel self-important because they "went to college" have to say about the ideal role of a man in a marriage. Man makes his OWN role in life, then seeks a woman/women to complement that role.

"Suddenly new"? New, perhaps, if you measure time in decades. But "suddenly" is going a bit far. The idea of bum dudes depending on their women to sustain them is not "suddenly new". There's just a lot more of it when unemployment is high.

No, romance and marriage in the 21st century do not work like a 50s sitcom. Get over it.

All of this mentality proceeds from the notion that everyone seems to be brainwashed with, that "men need women more than women need men". That whatever women happen to want right now from a husband, the men have to meet it, or they will be shyte-outta-luck.

 

[zekko]

All of this mentality proceeds from the notion that everyone seems to be brainwashed with, that "men need women more than women need men".

I have to admit that I've been guilty of this type of thinking at times in the past. Now that I've discovered seduction principles, the whole idea seems preposterous. How did an idea like this get started in the first place? And I don't think it's all feminism either. A big part of the fault seems to rest within the male brain.