For the guys who can't get the good looking women...

[marx77]

I have a question for you:

Are you willing to settle for the fat, ugly women you are not attracted to?

Or are you one that prefers being alone?

They say there's someone out there for everyone, so for the guys that are too physically unappealing to the good looking women, you have the option of settling for someone more on your "level" of attractiveness (or lack of it). It's something to think about.

Or are you one of the more stubborn guys who insists on wanting someone actually attractive? This can be a long, dark road to go down. I know, because I've been there.

I'm just wondering which category you guys who can't get the ones you want fall into? Settle or be alone? Which suits you best? Why?

 

[Solomon]

lol @ this lame topic

What is the point of discussing this? all it will do is lead to mental masturbation and more keyboard jockying

FACT:

Unattrctive guys can make themsleves more attractive by getting in shape, working out, becoming men of interest by reading books, having interesting hobbies ,traveling etc.

This is hard long road which few men are willing to take hence this forum has reverted into worse ****ery then before cause so many men are willing to just sit behind the computer for example and hit on women via pof then grabbing their balls and hitting the field (thats just one example)

The guys on here who expect hot women are men not willing to work on themselves

 

[Zarky]

marx and skinnyguy are likely the same freak with the same major psychological issues

 

[Stagger Lee]

The sad part is that fat, ugly girls want an average to above average looking guy. And by average guy I mean average height, not overweight, not ugly. His female equivalent would be consider a 6-7, but he only has success with 3-4's. Women are supposed to be good looking. That's all they have. But nowadays a guy has to date about 2 points down, when he should be able to date 2 points in looks up.

 

[Iceberg]

marx and skinnyguy are likely the same freak with the same major psychological issues

Considering that they both came here recently, and post nothing but the same type of sh!t, I'm just assume that they're the same person. And they'll probably both get themselves banned at the same time too.

 

[Zarky]

But nowadays Stagger Lee has to date about 2 points down, when he should be able to date 2 points in looks up.

Fixed it for you

 

[Stagger Lee]

Fixed it for you

I don't mind admitting I'm a 6-7 that only gets mostly 4-5s. We know you are dating bottom of the barrel. The 4's and 5's on pof are really only 2 and 3's compared to everday girls in real life. So you are saying you're a 2-3 ?

 

[marx77]

Considering that they both came here recently, and post nothing but the same type of sh!t, I'm just assume that they're the same person. And they'll probably both get themselves banned at the same time too.

Then you're assuming wrong. I don't even know him but I do agree with some of his posts, since we share the same damn problem.

Any mod can do a simple IP search and see we are probably not even in the same country (I don't think?).

I made this topic because it seems all you people on this board think is that being buff will get you women. Maybe it will? Especially when it comes to one night stands or a f*ck buddy. But for those of us (who are probably in the minority here), who want an actual real relationship, I have to doubt that's ALL women care about.

 

[marx77]

The sad part is that fat, ugly girls want an average to above average looking guy. And by average guy I mean average height, not overweight, not ugly. His female equivalent would be consider a 6-7, but he only has success with 3-4's. Women are supposed to be good looking. That's all they have. But nowadays a guy has to date about 2 points down, when he should be able to date 2 points in looks up.

I think you're looking online too much, dude.

On the internet, yes this is true. This *may* translate over into real life, but I don't think it does. I am much more apt to see a woman who is hot with a dude who looks so-so to bleh, than an ugly chick with a hot boyfriend. It does happen, to be sure, just not nearly as common.

Sometimes both people are gorgeous and many times, they're both ugly.

Maybe in college a guy has to date "2 points down"? But I know I never would. I'd rather be single than settle for some fat ugly broad that I feel is beneath me. Even if she worshiped the ground I walk on (scary thought), I would not want to be seen with her or sleep with her, since I'm not attracted to her. I have high standards, probably too high, so for me, if I'm unable to get the ones I want, then I'd sooner choose to be alone and spare myself the drama that women all come with.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

that's how I lost my virginity, lowered my standards for an average looking girl, it was FWB

 

[Stagger Lee]

I think you're looking online too much, dude.

On the internet, yes this is true. This *may* translate over into real life, but I don't think it does. I am much more apt to see a woman who is hot with a dude who looks so-so to bleh, than an ugly chick with a hot boyfriend. It does happen, to be sure, just not nearly as common.

Sometimes both people are gorgeous and many times, they're both ugly.

Maybe in college a guy has to date "2 points down"? But I know I never would. I'd rather be single than settle for some fat ugly broad that I feel is beneath me. Even if she worshiped the ground I walk on (scary thought), I would not want to be seen with her or sleep with her, since I'm not attracted to her. I have high standards, probably too high, so for me, if I'm unable to get the ones I want, then I'd sooner choose to be alone and spare myself the drama that women all come with.

That's not what I see. At bars I see lots of young, lean, average to above average height guys with good face picking up on rather average girls.

In college is where I see guys actually dating looks matched female or even females a point or two higher.

Men tend to overrate themselves, underrate other males and overrate females. Females seem to underrate most all males and overrate female attractiveness.

I'm not saying a hot male 8-9 actually dates sub 4 females, but that they hook up with mostly 6s and 7s.

We can debate rating numbers but in my experience and observing most guys they have to lower their standards to get a pick up. I never found one verifiable case of a rather average looking guy I knew picked up attractive girls. The girls are just average at best.

 

[marx77]

that's how I lost my virginity, lowered my standards for an average looking girl, it was FWB

I guess it depends how badly you want meaningless sex with an ugly chick. lol

 

[marx77]

That's not what I see. At bars I see lots of young, lean, average to above average height guys with good face picking up on rather average girls.

In college is where I see guys actually dating looks matched female or even females a point or two higher.

Men tend to overrate themselves, underrate other males and overrate females. Females seem to underrate most all males and overrate female attractiveness.

I'm not saying a hot male 8-9 actually dates sub 4 females, but that they hook up with mostly 6s and 7s.

We can debate rating numbers but in my experience and observing most guys they have to lower their standards to get a pick up. I never found one verifiable case of a rather average looking guy I knew picked up attractive girls. The girls are just average at best.

Your logic is flawed. Who is dating the very good looking women? According to you, they don't exist, apparently. Yet I see them everywhere I look.

Maybe you just have a screwed up "rating" system. I've never understood the point of rating people with numbers anyway. Either I like you, or I don't. If I had to number that statement, I'd go with around a 7 for my minimal setpoint. But my 7 is not yours.

Maybe you just overexagerrate how good looking these guys really are? Just because someone has muscles doesn't mean they're hot shlt. Hardly. They could be an ugly goober who has nice guns. Big deal. Ever see an ugly girl with huge tlts? So have I. But butterfaces are not all that attractive, they just have nice bodies.

I'm not sure where you're getting all this "females and males tend to..." talk? Do you have any sources or are you just making all of your ideas up?

 

[Mike32ct]

If you can't get females that you are attracted to (ie at LEAST pass the boner test), honestly, it's probably best to forget about women. Focus on your life like your job, hobbies, health, etc. Be a lone wolf or MGTOW or whatever and enjoy the other parts of your life.

I see and read about plenty of not bad looking guys wasting their life and going to EXTREME measures trying to get p@ss. I can honestly say it's probably not worth it unless you have the looks.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Your logic is flawed. Who is dating the very good looking women? According to you, they don't exist, apparently. Yet I see them everywhere I look.

Maybe you just have a screwed up "rating" system. I've never understood the point of rating people with numbers anyway. Either I like you, or I don't. If I had to number that statement, I'd go with around a 7 for my minimal setpoint. But my 7 is not yours.

Maybe you just overexagerrate how good looking these guys really are? Just because someone has muscles doesn't mean they're hot shlt. Hardly. They could be an ugly goober who has nice guns. Big deal. Ever see an ugly girl with huge tlts? So have I. But butterfaces are not all that attractive, they just have nice bodies.

I'm not sure where you're getting all this "females and males tend to..." talk? Do you have any sources or are you just making all of your ideas up?

Look, who is dating hot girls is the good looking, wealthy and powerful males.

Let's forget about the rating system for now. You are still denying hypergamy. If you can get attractive girls then good for you. But are you going to deny that today's women are not very picky about a man's:

Age
race
good complexion
height
handsome face
build
hair
teeth and smile
style
body language

And that's just some of the physical/looks/visual things not even counting game and personality and money factors.

Now if women prefer men to be within a certain number of years of age, above average height, lean masculine build, full hair etc, how far above average are women witling down the men? Maybe half are disqualified on height, then hair, etc.

You can deny women are this visually picky or claim men are picky too, but I disagree. I don't claim to know it all, but I'm not some inexperienced 20-year old. I've been out gaming literally thousand of times, approached thousands of women and lived through most of my youth. It's not just my theory or what I want to believe. It's what I've seen over and over.

 

[foreverAFC]

i dont really understand this mentality or reasoning, why would i want to be with someone im not attracted to? how can you even be with someone who doesnt make your dck hard? as a guy who is unsuccessful with women i still dont want to have anything to do with a woman im not attracted to, i would rather just go home and get high till i cant see straight and then lose myself in my fcked up internet porno fantasy land instead where i can just shut out the entire world and really disassociate from reality and begin to imagine myself in the porn, if you are able to fck a woman that you arent attracted to then you must have such a powerful imagination that you can truly imagine her being a completely different person and if thats the case you are better off with substance abuse and internet porn anyway, some of the wh0res in porn are so hot and young these days its a much better option than trying to fck a fat smelly hog that you wish had a bag on her face while you pretend it was carmen electra, may as well just fck a bean bag chair honestly

also i dont believe i have super high standards, im not looking to be with playmates and models, i find all kinds of different women attractive, its just hard to compete with all the other options that are available to all women, even the ugly ones have tons of good looking guys complimenting them and wanting to fck them

 

[Mike32ct]

i dont really understand this mentality or reasoning, why would i want to be with someone im not attracted to? how can you even be with someone who doesnt make your dck hard? as a guy who is unsuccessful with women i still dont want to have anything to do with a woman im not attracted to, i would rather just go home and get high till i cant see straight and then lose myself in my fcked up internet porno fantasy land instead where i can just shut out the entire world and really disassociate from reality and begin to imagine myself in the porn, if you are able to fck a woman that you arent attracted to then you must have such a powerful imagination that you can truly imagine her being a completely different person and if thats the case you are better off with substance abuse and internet porn anyway, some of the wh0res in porn are so hot and young these days its a much better option than trying to fck a fat smelly hog that you wish had a bag on her face while you pretend it was carmen electra, may as well just fck a bean bag chair honestly

also i dont believe i have super high standards, im not looking to be with playmates and models, i find all kinds of different women attractive, its just hard to compete with all the other options that are available to all women, even the ugly ones have tons of good looking guys complimenting them and wanting to fck them

Yeah, I generally agree. That's why I set the "boner test" as the absolute minimum standard. I think that's what guys mean by "lowering your standards." It's finding a chick who isn't the hottest, but you are at least somewhat attracted to her and able to perform with.

Obviously, you want her to be above that standard IF YOU CAN. But never go below it. If you can't get it up for her, forget it. It's humiliating and frustrating for both parties and a waste of time.

 

[Uncharted]

This is the epitome of the "before" person on this site. You don't have enough self-confidence or you're just not that interesting.

Yes there are limits you can change (weight, shape, etc) and things you can't (height, facial structure). Confidence is such a multiplier to your "number" and women crave confident men.

I'd rate myself maybe a 7/10 but women have told me I'm extremely attractive. They don't say "hot" because that's not me. I think "attractive" after they've seen everything else I have to offer.

This weekend I was at a festival and I went up to a vendor to buy coffee. There was a smoking hot young college girl (19-20?) probably 9.5/10. Before this site I would have been all nervous or whatever. This time, I just made hard eye contact and confidently ordered. We ended up talking and she gave me her number.

A year ago, I wouldn't have even TRIED for her number because I immediately would have thought I had no chance.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Dont date Western Women....

 

[senorslacker4shoa]

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