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Many if not most of the get rich gurus have been exposed as shady characters. Many have had troubles with the law and been in jail.

Do their systems work? what works for some might not work for you. For example Many have used real state buying systems and have ended up bankrupt and in jail. Becareful when it comes to buying real state buying systems. If you want to try it for yourself borrow their products from someone, get it at the library if available. Don't spend money that might be a waste. I have read of cases where people order real state buying systems by phone for less than 50 bucks just to try them out and they could be returned, and they end up getting charged in the hundreds of dollars in their credit cards for extra stuff. You have to becareful.
 

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John T Reed is an a$$hole.

He's only bashing Kiyosaki to sell his own system, and that gives him zero credibility b/c its a conflict of interest.
 

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seems like john reed has something to say about everybody, the a$$hole is talking smack about everyone better then him, from kiyosaki, to sheets, to russ whitney, who by the way is suing him for libel, kiyosaki even answered back, heres a link to his counter
http://www.mastermindforum.com/kiyosakiresponsetoreed.htm
kiyosaki is NOT a fraud, the only fraud is reed who shells out nothing but garbage but really doesnt talk about anything worthwhile.
 

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Has anyone read The richest man in Babylon?

Very simple and straightforward methods, it's been around for donkeys years and there are thousands of people who say it's partly the reason they have plenty in the bank.

You could probably pick up a second hand copy for five bucks.
 

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The richest man in babylon is a good book, but it recommends saving a part of what you earn. That is well and good, but you can't really save long-term anymore b/c of inflation. Other than that, I have no problem with it.
 

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Pook, where are you?

I remember I gave you a link that was by Russ Whitney that also fact-checked on John T. Reed! Shall I say John T. Reed is as much of a fraud as Russ Whitney?

*the audience is shocked*

Listen.

*the audience is seen listening carefully to seifer*

Sweet Ken

Sweet Kenny. First off, let me ask you something.

There are many kind of seducers out in this world.

Would I be one to create a website and say that seducers like natural rakes or deadly sirens are fakes?

Would I be one to create a website and try to destroy David DeAngelos' system?

In reality, what is there to gain from doing so?

What do I gain by writing my guides and writing my tips? What do I gain? Yes, I shall admit, that Pook and I are guilty for this.

We both write because it is a great joy to see other people smile when they get results! In fact, whenever one of you apply something from what we have written, whenever you start to smile and become happy because you see results, we smile too! When you make people happy, people make other people happy, the world only gets better.

We write but noticed how in our writing, we do not try to destroy other people on the topic except in certain cases.

So exactly, in reality, what is there for those writers above to gain?

If let's say I destroyed a rake, ok, one less rake. This means less competition. However is it plausible to do such a thing that the less competition will truly be noticeable?

So I gain nothing, absolutely nothing as I do not live with these rakes nor are they in any way affecting my game.

Therefore, I do not have to create anything to destroy them.

Now, for business, what do John T. Reed have by destroying them?

Easy! MORE PEOPLE BUYING HIS PRODUCT!!

*the audience is shocked*

"More people.. buying his product? But how?"

You didn't know? He sells his own no-down product! In his hard effort he pushes his limit just so people will buy his product!

If you have noticed, anyone that deals with greater publicity, he attacks it! To create fame and attention through the use of controversy and even attacking someone else's personal character and personal life!

An example, this:
http://www.johntreed.com/LOND.html
How to Buy Real Estate for Little or No Money Down

*audience is shocked*

Isn't that what Russ Whitney teaches?

You thought he didn't sell any no-down books huh?

He sells these same information as Russ Whitney!

Think, why is it that he does not have amazon.com or any major book stores help sell his book? Ah ha! He wants to control and find out who buys his book and who doesn't, he's afraid that there will be people like me that will spread the message.

REI don't have time to create a website and actually go out and look in courts and interview their personal family members for their childhood problems and then report the findings. REI are busy looking for the deal of the decade, trying to find out what is a great way to arrange a good deal between the bank, the seller, and you!

*one audience member raises her hand*

Yes?

"Well, could you break John T. Reed down as he has to Russ Whitney? We are curious as to whether he can be brought down."

I just did! John Reed attacks other people so that he generates more sales!

Ok, fine.

Starting with...
http://www.johntreed.com/LOND.html
Ethical, legal, practical, profitable ways to buy real estate for 0% to 5% down.
Hahaha, don't make me laugh! What is it about yours that is ethical, legal, practical, and profitable that others' arent'? Oh wait, I must buy it. Damn! Now I can't invest no-down ethically, legally, practically, and profitably without reading it. Everything I do is unethical, illegal, unpractical, and not profitable (Hey look I made positive cashflow! Wait!...) because it isn't by John Reed.

Government and private programs designed to enable home buyers and investors to buy for 5% or less down.
Hah! As if we didn't know this! Your local RE agent or your neighbor who is also a REI will tell you this as any knowledgeable REI.

Most private programs usually do local financing! Look around in your newspaper!

As for gov't, many of these are gov't backed financing that means you need to have worked in order to qualify for these same loans!

Example, VA loans.
The US Department of VA (Veterans Affairs) will pay for your down payment and even mortgage if you were a veteran.

Another example, USDA Zero Down.
Yes the gov't believes no-down works too... through them! The US Department of Agriculture offers nothing-down loans to homebuyers purchasing in small towns and cities. They offer up to 115% of your income however so you must work or else no dough.

Another example. REOs.
Real estate owned. Mortgage lenders and banks do NOT want to own any property. This is extremely harmful to their business. Because of this, they are always willing to work out a deal to get you to buy it.

There're more than 10 ways that I can think of. I have only listed 3. My partner has over 50 ways. Some REI who has been investing for their whole life develop their own no-down ways!

There's more Johnny, must I destroy your business by listing more? The gov't already list these possible loans, you are just making the money off of something that should be free.

How to use your own strong credit or that of willing others to buy for 5% or less down. Using seller financing to buy with little or no money down. Buying for bargain prices (80% or less of market value) then borrowing 100% of the purchase price, albeit 80% or less of the market value. Taking over high-loan-to-value existing mortgages.
Uh huh. These aren't your techniques, some of these are gov't backed programs. What makes Russ Whitney's "seller financing" technique any different from John Reed's? Russ Whitney discusses seller financing in chapter 11 page 141 in his book Building Wealth. Everyone else who read the book can confirm this.

How to save for a down payment. Myths about nothing-down purchases. Wrong ways to try to purchase real estate with little or no money down. Most nothing-down techniques are unethical, illegal, immoral, impractical, and/or unprofitable. Don’t lose your money, your credit, or your freedom following dangerous advice.
Now here's the thing, the above is RHETORIC. Myths about nothing-down is as much as "they are bad because of risk". Notice how cynical he gets when you read his other pages on becoming a REI.
 
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his financial advice is sound and his books are inspiring..... The whole book might be written on ficitonal events, but that doesnt mean that his advice is bad.
 

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Sweet Ken

Another thing to consider. Look at the people who back Robert Kiyosaki, such STR8UP.

STR8UP is no doubt older than you and far more experienced than you are. People like him say Rob is the real deal because it works! It has given them results!

And in the money world, RESULTS IS EVERYTHING!

If John Reed wasn't selling his book on REI, I would've to reconsider.

Remember, if John Reed is an actual real estate expert, I'm sure he would've bought AT LEAST 23 properties in his 23 years of experience! But no, he bought 11 properties in 23 years. He has in fact spend more time writing more books than how many properties he has owned.

But no, he claims to be an expert in baseball and football. http://www.johntreed.com/coaching.html

But wait! He claims that his "System" can get you laid too. http://www.johntreed.com/succeeding.html

‘The System’
Author John T. Reed and his college classmates felt deprived of female companionship in their bachelor days at then all-male West Point, rural Army posts, and in Vietnam. So he and his roommate developed The System—a way to meet attractive girls that was spectacularly successful. They met and dated hundreds of girls who were national and local beauty queens, an NFL cheerleader, girls who became movie and TV stars, models, major football bowl game queens, as well as hundreds of often more attractive girls who would never enter a beauty contest. Reed met his wife through The System. Succeeding explains the details of how The System worked.
I rather be PUA than ever try his "System" out.

If instead of spending so much time hating, he should've read books by people such as Dale Carnegie or Napoleon Hill.

If instead of attacking other's character, he should've spent time working on his own virtue.

If the only way you can promote your own goods is to attack other people from all side (including personal), that's quite pathetic and shows how insecure you are.

Ok. Now.

Let's pretend, Rob is fake. If this is true, then Rob has just created the best fictional stories in the history of business, to show that education is not everything to the path of success!

Another interesting point to make.

Notice how whenever he puts email up of people who has emailed him, he makes them look good but however when someone else who advocate RDPD he makes them look bad by making them capitalize on ALL SENTENCE LIKE THIS. I'm starting to think he made up these testimonies. I have yet to see him put one email up that's of equal caliber to the emails that advocate him.

Another one.

I emailed John Reed 2 years ago to inquire him on some things that I wanted to know.

He hasn't replied in 2 years. I wonder why. Did he feel I was touching his personal life? Hehehe.

Here's something I want to emphasize.

As much as Robert Kiyosaki and the likes play on your greed, so does John Reed! He talks about sports, getting laid, and REI, and that his method works but not the others!
 
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the only reason why i have lost so much faith in Kiyosaki is because his books have something to do with the cultic ponzi scheme that Quixtar seems to have successfuly put into action.

being as shallow as i was a few years ago, i actually attended a few of the meetings. i joined a group called "Team Of Destiny" and that was the most cultish sh*t i've ever seen in my life. do a google search on them and you'll see just how f*cking shallow you have to be to actually devote your undying time and energy to such a thing.

i haven't really read much of his books, but the "business" had a lot to do with preaching the material that was within those books. a lot of what he said seems very true, and so i'd be happy if i were to find out that he had no affiliation with Quixtar whatsoever.

~ j
 

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One thing a lot of people miss is the constant investment in improving yourself, quite often this costs you nothing but time, sometimes cash.

But the assumption that it's all about saving 10% of your cash is not the story. THe real story is increasing the level of service you provide which in turn leads to greater earnings.

Or an I teaching people to suck golden eggs.
 

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Robert Kiyosaki urges you in his books to continue to read every book, listen to every tape, and learn all that you can from many different viewpoints and sources, when it comes to business and RE investing, even ones who disagree with him. John T Reed bashes everyone else BUT himself.

Who do you trust more?
 

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Originally posted by MetalFortress
Robert Kiyosaki urges you in his books to continue to read every book, listen to every tape, and learn all that you can from many different viewpoints and sources, when it comes to business and RE investing, even ones who disagree with him. John T Reed bashes everyone else BUT himself.
Very good point.
 

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Originally posted by Alpine
Your own judgement.
Not easy to do for most people, that's why they go by someone elses judgement.
 

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Everyone has their "thing" that helps them sell their materials. With Reed, it's attempting to discredit his competition. Not a very effective way to promote your own product, but to each his own.

Most of what Kiyosaki and the others teach goes directly against the grain. That's what gives Reed the fuel for his fire. It's easier to tear something down if it goes against popular opinion.

The principles behind building wealth can be learned in a very short period of time (I could distill the basics into an hour conversation), but it takes YEARS of experience to fully understand what you have learned.

Those of you who believe in Kiyosaki need to make SURE you follow through. You will lose far more than you win in the beginning. Hell, I'm STILL losing quite a bit after 8 years, but I have built a solid foundation and the next few years look like they will be good for me. It's exciting to feel the changes. Stick with it fellas, in a few years you will be glad you did.
 
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