Finally joined OLD for the first time ever at 30

[needimprovement250]

Technically I’m still 29, but I turn 30 in 4 months so close enough. But yeah, I finally signed up for OLD and its the first time I’ve ever done it. So I was in Vegas for all of last week and I thought that would be the perfect environment to give it a try. I already had a Tinder account that I made a few years ago when I was hammered drunk, so I just changed the pic and bio. I only uploaded one pic, which was a bathroom mirror selfie in the bathroom of my hotel room and my updated account was live for 3 days in Vegas. I ended up getting 4 matches off of that one bathroom mirror selfie and the first bio I’ve ever written for an OLD profile, and they weren’t bot accounts either since none of them messages me with a link and none of their profiles had Instagram usernames or OF links. I didn’t message any of the women I matched with since I just did this to test the waters. So my question is, what should I do next and what should I write for my bio? I’ve heard from some of you on here as well as other places online that you shouldn’t take Tinder too seriously and that if you’re using OLD, pay the less attention to that app since most women only use it for fun and an ego boost, not to meet anyone. I also saw that most of the women on my Tinder feed had at least 4 pics up and the app itself even said that you should have multiple pics up. Maybe I would’ve gotten more matches if I did, because only one pic might give people the impression that your account is just a bot.

 

[LucianoM]

What do you do next? Uninstall it and hit the streets.

 

[MulteMach]

What do you do next? Uninstall it and hit the streets.

Dont listen to Luciano. Hitting the streets is useless. Stay on OLD. Doing in person is outdated

 

[needimprovement250]

Dont listen to Luciano. Hitting the streets is useless. Stay on OLD. Doing in person is outdated

I agree, trying to pick up women on the streets hardly ever works these days. They will either try to get away from you as quickly as possible or just ignore you and keep walking. If you want to try and meet women in person, it has to be the right environment like a bar or an event intended for singles to meet each other.

 

[SW15]

What do you do next? Uninstall it and hit the streets.

That's the best option if you're not a top tier man in looks and you lack any social circle options.

If you want to try and meet women in person, it has to be the right environment like a bar or an event intended for singles to meet each other.

If you think an event intended for singles to meet each other will be decent, think again. We have a thread about those types of events.

Are Structured Singles Events a Waste of Time?

Mostly every unattached person has dealt with this. The potential invitation to a "singles event" or "singles mixer". It is a chance for unattached people to meet. It's not a general night out at a bar, which has unattached people interspersed with attached people. Everyone here is unattached by...

www.sosuave.net

At those events, approaches feel easier. A woman who shows up to one of those events will at least be receptive to your approach if you are somewhat ordinary looking. You won't be dealing with women in earbuds mainly ignoring you such as the general gym floor or doing outdoor approaches in parks or on paths. At a structured event, you are expected to approach.

A bar on a regular night is a better approaching option. The talent pool is better in a regular bar compared to a singles event. Women 6+ in looks will appear at bars but not at singles events. Nightlife venues can be tough environments too.

trying to pick up women on the streets hardly ever works these days. They will either try to get away from you as quickly as possible or just ignore you and keep walking.

Approaching strangers in both nightlife venues and non-bar venues will be a difficult path. It's likely even more difficult following that path than it was in the 2000s (when I was 18-24). It's not like it was easy to do in the 2000s either.

Swiping on apps and sending social media DMs give off an illusion of ease. You can sit at home not looking your best and fire off hundreds of DMs in the time it would take to approach 1-2 women in real life. You can also swipe on hundreds of women in that same time too. The problem with swiping and sending DMs is that women barely respond to swipes or DMs. Her DM box on Instagram is full and women don't have a high rate of right swiping. Also, it's difficult to assess compatibility behind an electronic screen. There's a better chance of arranging a good first date (one that will lead to a second date) from approaching a stranger and talking to her for 5+ minutes than doing things behind screens.

 

[ManFromTartarus]

I agree, trying to pick up women on the streets hardly ever works these days. They will either try to get away from you as quickly as possible or just ignore you and keep walking. If you want to try and meet women in person, it has to be the right environment like a bar or an event intended for singles to meet each other.

In your other thread you stated that you "never been in a relationship or dated a women" yet you have some strong opinions here about what works and what doesn't.
That's a bit contradictory IMHO, can you explain this?

 

[CornbreadFed]

it is not that bad. I killed it on there when I was messing around.

 

[Stanley]

If you're good looking it is great. Use tinder the same way girls do, for fun and attention, in turn you might get some tail too. Expectations gotta be low though.

For the bio you honestly don't need one really, at least not for tinder. You could just put something funny in there it doesn't really matter. Just do not put anything that could come across as vain, narcissistic or self aggrandizing. Save ****y and funny for when you actually get a hold of a girl. Also, don't put your education, job or living status anywhere either. Nothing to disqualify yourself from the get-go.

It would be best to ditch the mirror selfie though. If you had 3 photos try to get a 'headshot' of you, something of you being active in someway and a picture showing you do something like a hobby. If you're fit a shirtless pic does it, just don't do a mirror selfie one.

Even if you don't meet up with girls you can use tinder to practice chatting with girls and seeing what works and what doesn't. You will get ghosted and you will get ignored so be prepared for that. Treat the whole thing lightly, but still put in some decent photos and you will up your chances of pulling. Think of it as an experiment in getting your feet wet. If it doesn't work for you it doesn't work for you, then you can cross it off and try something else.

I know plenty of average looking guys that get with girls over tinder, there not top tier guys in looks...but neither are the girls.

 

[needimprovement250]

That's the best option if you're not a top tier man in looks and you lack any social circle options.

If you think an event intended for singles to meet each other will be decent, think again. We have a thread about those types of events.

Are Structured Singles Events a Waste of Time?

Mostly every unattached person has dealt with this. The potential invitation to a "singles event" or "singles mixer". It is a chance for unattached people to meet. It's not a general night out at a bar, which has unattached people interspersed with attached people. Everyone here is unattached by...

www.sosuave.net

At those events, approaches feel easier. A woman who shows up to one of those events will at least be receptive to your approach if you are somewhat ordinary looking. You won't be dealing with women in earbuds mainly ignoring you such as the general gym floor or doing outdoor approaches in parks or on paths. At a structured event, you are expected to approach.

A bar on a regular night is a better approaching option. The talent pool is better in a regular bar compared to a singles event. Women 6+ in looks will appear at bars but not at singles events. Nightlife venues can be tough environments too.



Approaching strangers in both nightlife venues and non-bar venues will be a difficult path. It's likely even more difficult following that path than it was in the 2000s (when I was 18-24). It's not like it was easy to do in the 2000s either.

Swiping on apps and sending social media DMs give off an illusion of ease. You can sit at home not looking your best and fire off hundreds of DMs in the time it would take to approach 1-2 women in real life. You can also swipe on hundreds of women in that same time too. The problem with swiping and sending DMs is that women barely respond to swipes or DMs. Her DM box on Instagram is full and women don't have a high rate of right swiping. Also, it's difficult to assess compatibility behind an electronic screen. There's a better chance of arranging a good first date (one that will lead to a second date) from approaching a stranger and talking to her for 5+ minutes than doing things behind screens.

I mean, I guess those structured singles events could be beneficial to me in some ways because like I’ve said in other threads, I’m about to turn 30 and have never dated or had a girlfriend and I have very little experience. So maybe those events could provide me with good practice options for approaching but who knows. Women definitely are inundated with more messages than they can count on OLD and social media and that’s one of the biggest issues with going that route. You’ve said before that meeting women through your social circle is also a good option, but that currently doesn’t work for me in particular since I don’t have a social circle. Even if I met someone from OLD and things were moving forward, I’m sure she would eventually want to be introduced to my social circle and she might find it off putting once she finds out that I don’t have one.

 

[Solomon]

In your other thread you stated that you "never been in a relationship or dated a women" yet you have some strong opinions here about what works and what doesn't.
That's a bit contradictory IMHO, can you explain this?

This is why you gotta take advice with a grain fo salt I remember when I first signed up here no one took my advice seriously until I did a 1000 approaches. How times have changed

 

[needimprovement250]

In your other thread you stated that you "never been in a relationship or dated a women" yet you have some strong opinions here about what works and what doesn't.
That's a bit contradictory IMHO, can you explain this?

Sure, I feel like anyone with a shred of common sense knows that approaching random women walking down the street, through the mall, or shopping at the grocery store will not work and in most cases, those women would not be receptive at all. Now I’m not saying that all in person approaches are a waste of time and guaranteed to fail, what I’m saying is it has to be done in the right environment where the women are more likely to be receptive to your approaches.

 

[ManFromTartarus]

Sure, I feel like anyone with a shred of common sense knows that approaching random women walking down the street, through the mall, or shopping at the grocery store will not work and in most cases, those women would not be receptive at all. Now I’m not saying that all in person approaches are a waste of time and guaranteed to fail, what I’m saying is it has to be done in the right environment where the women are more likely to be receptive to your approaches.

You're sure saying a lot for someone who's never been with a woman.

 

[Stanley]

Sure, I feel like anyone with a shred of common sense knows that approaching random women walking down the street, through the mall, or shopping at the grocery store will not work and in most cases, those women would not be receptive at all. Now I’m not saying that all in person approaches are a waste of time and guaranteed to fail, what I’m saying is it has to be done in the right environment where the women are more likely to be receptive to your approaches.

Game in real life situations has merit. What you described is 'day game' and is absolutely real. It is less common among the younger generations and most girls in the younger groups have rarely ever been approached period. The more attractive you are (like old) the easier it is and the more likely you are to get a number. Yesterday I got carded for buying f****** Dayquil and when the attendant came over I turned the silly exchange quickly into flirting. Could've gone for the number close, but I was not interested.

You can try OLD for experience and see if it yields results, but don't knock getting out there in the real world too. You've got to fail a bunch before you succeed

You're sure saying a lot for someone who's never been with a woman.

Savage

 

[needimprovement250]

If you're good looking it is great. Use tinder the same way girls do, for fun and attention, in turn you might get some tail too. Expectations gotta be low though.

For the bio you honestly don't need one really, at least not for tinder. You could just put something funny in there it doesn't really matter. Just do not put anything that could come across as vain, narcissistic or self aggrandizing. Save ****y and funny for when you actually get a hold of a girl. Also, don't put your education, job or living status anywhere either. Nothing to disqualify yourself from the get-go.

It would be best to ditch the mirror selfie though. If you had 3 photos try to get a 'headshot' of you, something of you being active in someway and a picture showing you do something like a hobby. If you're fit a shirtless pic does it, just don't do a mirror selfie one.

Even if you don't meet up with girls you can use tinder to practice chatting with girls and seeing what works and what doesn't. You will get ghosted and you will get ignored so be prepared for that. Treat the whole thing lightly, but still put in some decent photos and you will up your chances of pulling. Think of it as an experiment in getting your feet wet. If it doesn't work for you it doesn't work for you, then you can cross it off and try something else.

I know plenty of average looking guys that get with girls over tinder, there not top tier guys in looks...but neither are the girls.

That’s exactly what I set out to do with Tinder, just use it for fun and don’t take it too seriously, I’m just using it to get my feet wet and to practice using OLD like you said. Yeah I left those things blank on my profile for that reason, I didn’t think it would be good to put part time student and part time DoorDash driver in addition to putting anything that indicated that I still live at home with my parents. I can tell you what I put in my bio when I was in Vegas and what I have up there now if you wanna know, but yeah it doesn’t seem like a bio matters as much on Tinder compared to other apps like Bumble or Hinge.

I will ditch the mirror selfie, I feel like that’s one of the worst type of pics you can upload to your OLD profile and it definitely shouldn’t be the cover pic for your profile, I just didn’t know what else to upload at the time. It does seem like you need a few different pics to get matches and most of the women on my Tinder feed had at least 4 pics uploaded, I think they probably want to see that a guy put in an equal amount of effort into their profile. I have also heard that pics with friends are good ones to upload to your profile, do you think that’s true? Because I’m gonna be seeing a friend of mine who moved away this weekend and I could take some pics while we’re hanging out if those are pics that should be on my profile, but I have also noticed that there are several women that don’t have pics with friends on their profiles.

That’s exactly what I was thinking too when it comes to messaging girls, I can just use it for practice since I also have very little experience when it comes to texting girls and I haven’t texted a girl in years, so Tinder could provide me with plenty of opportunities to practice that as well.

 

[needimprovement250]

You're sure saying a lot for someone who's never been with a woman.

I have been with a woman, I hooked up with a girl back when I was 21 and then I made it to oral with another 5 years later. I just have very little experience for my age.

 

[Stanley]

That’s exactly what I set out to do with Tinder, just use it for fun and don’t take it too seriously, I’m just using it to get my feet wet and to practice using OLD like you said. Yeah I left those things blank on my profile for that reason, I didn’t think it would be good to put part time student and part time DoorDash driver in addition to putting anything that indicated that I still live at home with my parents. I can tell you what I put in my bio when I was in Vegas and what I have up there now if you wanna know, but yeah it doesn’t seem like a bio matters as much on Tinder compared to other apps like Bumble or Hinge.

I will ditch the mirror selfie, I feel like that’s one of the worst type of pics you can upload to your OLD profile and it definitely shouldn’t be the cover pic for your profile, I just didn’t know what else to upload at the time. It does seem like you need a few different pics to get matches and most of the women on my Tinder feed had at least 4 pics uploaded, I think they probably want to see that a guy put in an equal amount of effort into their profile. I have also heard that pics with friends are good ones to upload to your profile, do you think that’s true? Because I’m gonna be seeing a friend of mine who moved away this weekend and I could take some pics while we’re hanging out if those are pics that should be on my profile, but I have also noticed that there are several women that don’t have pics with friends on their profiles.

You don't need pics with friends. You don't need a dog pic either lol. It is better to have a few photos which put you front and center and show what you look like. You do not need to match the girls amount of photos. You don't need to link your insta or spotify or any of that. Keep it simple and concise. 90% of what you have to be judged on tinder is your looks.

 

[needimprovement250]

Game in real life situations has merit. What you described is 'day game' and is absolutely real. It is less common among the younger generations and most girls in the younger groups have rarely ever been approached period. The more attractive you are (like old) the easier it is and the more likely you are to get a number. Yesterday I got carded for buying f****** Dayquil and when the attendant came over I turned the silly exchange quickly into flirting. Could've gone for the number close, but I was not interested.

You can try OLD for experience and see if it yields results, but don't knock getting out there in the real world too. You've got to fail a bunch before you succeed



Savage

Yeah I’m trying to build my physique up since that matters a lot both with how receptive women will be when approaching in person and also with how many matches you’ll get from OLD. Also how much game you have matters a lot too and I will openly admit that I have none since I’ve never tried to pick up girls. That’s not the only reason I’m trying to change my physique, but it is one of them. When I started, I weighed 218 and I’m now down to 201 as of my last weigh in. I’m actually just about to go hike a mountain for exercise as I type this.

 

[Stanley]

Yeah I’m trying to build my physique up since that matters a lot both with how receptive women will be when approaching in person and also with how many matches you’ll get from OLD. Also how much game you have matters a lot too and I will openly admit that I have none since I’ve never tried to pick up girls. That’s not the only reason I’m trying to change my physique, but it is one of them. When I started, I weighed 218 and I’m now down to 201 as of my last weigh in. I’m actually just about to go hike a mountain for exercise as I type this.

Yeah man, change your name from needs improvement to just improving. good on ya

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Technically I’m still 29, but I turn 30 in 4 months so close enough. But yeah, I finally signed up for OLD and its the first time I’ve ever done it. So I was in Vegas for all of last week and I thought that would be the perfect environment to give it a try. I already had a Tinder account that I made a few years ago when I was hammered drunk, so I just changed the pic and bio. I only uploaded one pic, which was a bathroom mirror selfie in the bathroom of my hotel room and my updated account was live for 3 days in Vegas. I ended up getting 4 matches off of that one bathroom mirror selfie and the first bio I’ve ever written for an OLD profile, and they weren’t bot accounts either since none of them messages me with a link and none of their profiles had Instagram usernames or OF links. I didn’t message any of the women I matched with since I just did this to test the waters. So my question is, what should I do next and what should I write for my bio? I’ve heard from some of you on here as well as other places online that you shouldn’t take Tinder too seriously and that if you’re using OLD, pay the less attention to that app since most women only use it for fun and an ego boost, not to meet anyone. I also saw that most of the women on my Tinder feed had at least 4 pics up and the app itself even said that you should have multiple pics up. Maybe I would’ve gotten more matches if I did, because only one pic might give people the impression that your account is just a bot.

4-6 pics. Don’t sweat the bio. As long as you don’t give off serial-killer vibes it should be fine. Use OLD as an adjunct to other ways of meeting women.

 

[Robert28]

God, last time I did OLD I came across so many profiles that were women in their mid to late 30’s, divorced or just single moms, all overweight, all demanding 6’1 or taller guys, it was a ****show.