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Field report: Morals and violating them

Oscar Wilde

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Or "How to steal your buddies girl".

Ok guys, thought I better make this a field report. I'm not proud of this one though, but there are some important lessons to be learned as usual.

I went out with an ex-ONS girl, Kylie, her girlfriend and 2 friends of mine, Bob, & John who brought a "friend", Nicki.

Well, after a few pints in the pub I was real pissed off, Kylie wasn't on for any action at all, and I didn't really like the attitude she and her friend had, so I said feck it, back to the drawing board.

So Bob, John, Nicki & I got some take out cans from the bar and decided to go to either Nicki's place (closest) or mine (more alcohol). We all went to hers.

We all sat round smokin, drinkin & chatting, and I hit it off with the girl a lot. I was making no attempt to hit on her whatsoever, just was talking plain, explained to her *exactly* what I had hoped to happen with Kylie (becoming FBs), and that I was pissed off, and surprised that Kylie and I had hit it off the first time and so opposite this time. When I was talking, I was sitting on the floor, Nicki and John were on the couch, and Bob on another seat. She got off the couch and say down on the floor near me.

When she was out of the room for a sec, John said that I "should go for it, it wasn't happening for him". I didn't know the situation, but he had met her once (when on hols with me the week before), and got her mail address. He had been emailing her all week, and she agreed to meet for a drink (a date in his mind, NOT in hers as I found out later).

I went to the bathroom and she followed me in, said something about showing me a broken tap (faucet to you yanks) that I shouldn't use. And we talked,
mainly, for 20 mins - we kissed just twice, but just quickly, and I didn't want to continue them. It was a deep conversation, about lots of stuff, including her telling me that she liked John AS A FRIEND but wasn't looking for anything serious with him, and that she tried to tell him that outside the bar earlier, and other times, but he just wasn't taking the hints.

John banged on the door just as we were talking about this, and said loudly that he needed to use the facilities (the door wasn't fully closed, just over). I said something along the lines of "Fsck off John, give us a damn minute" cos I was annoyed that he interrupted so rudely.

Anyways we just finished what we'd been talking about and went back
out and the guys had gone. I rang Bob and asked him the story, he told me they went outside to find a wall, then decided to head off to their house cos they reasoned I was banging her. I told them I wasn't, and that nothing had happened, we had just been talking (it wasn't *that* big a lie). Bob asked me if they should go back over, and that's where I fscked up, I said "No, don't bother"...

I expect forgiveness from John because he has done worse in his time to others. He said to me on Sat that he wasn't pissed with me, but he was with her, for "leading him on" - complete BS because he wouldn't
know a 300lb hint if it hit him in his AFC face. This guy *reeks* of desperation. I think I have to help him with his skills but can't show him this site, he's not the type who'd understand. (Is there any other resource that gives the same info without being so geeky?)

So anyways I stole my friends date and
then spent all wkend with her. Now she seems quite mad about me and I'm worried about that too.

Ok, so newbies, find the DJ principals in the above (and don't steal your buddies girl). I'll give you a hint, it's about not being a fscking AFC. Desperation is your enemy.

Names have been changed to protect the guilty.

Oscar.
 

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Heh, I guess I really am a geek because I never thought of this site as being too "geeky".

What about fastseduction.com, or Doc Love's dating advice on askmen.com?

Seems to me the biggest thing you did was that you didn't let desperation hold you down - you blew off your date when it was apparent she wasn't into you, you didn't fawn all over Nicki but played it cool, etc. Dunno about your conversation, flirting, etc. because you didn't give details but no matter. The attitude is the most important thing. Obviously she was into you from the start and your attitude assured that you didn't fvck it up.
 

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Originally posted by FlyGuy

Seems to me the biggest thing you did was that you didn't let desperation hold you down - you blew off your date when it was apparent she wasn't into you, you didn't fawn all over Nicki but played it cool, etc. Dunno about your conversation, flirting, etc. because you didn't give details but no matter. The attitude is the most important thing. Obviously she was into you from the start and your attitude assured that you didn't fvck it up.
I didn't give details, but basically I was NOT trying to hit on her. Not at all. I was just having a really easy conversation with 3 of my buddies (well, 2 buddies and a girl, but that's not the way I had been thinking). Like one of the things I said, word for word, was "Damnit, I'm pissed off I'm not gonna be shagging Kylie all weekend, that sucks." This is hardly flirting.

You mentioned desperation - I am the other end of the scale, it was John who was the desperate one, which is why it went down the way it did.

Good point on doc love, might think about that.

Osc.
 

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I didn't give details, but basically I was NOT trying to hit on her. Not at all. I was just having a really easy conversation with 3 of my buddies (well, 2 buddies and a girl, but that's not the way I had been thinking). Like one of the things I said, word for word, was "Damnit, I'm pissed off I'm not gonna be shagging Kylie all weekend, that sucks." This is hardly flirting.
True, but you DID let her know that you are a man with sexual desires and had no shame in it. This probably broke down some of the barriers for her I'm guessing.

You mentioned desperation - I am the other end of the scale, it was John who was the desperate one, which is why it went down the way it did.
Exactly my point.
 

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I fail to understand how you violated your morals. Your boy obviously gave you the green light dude. Save the guilt for when you screw this girl's sister or something...
 

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I met Bob for a pint last night - he was laughing his a$$ off about the whole thing, I guess I don't feel so bad about it now. He did tell me one thing that he noticed I said, and her reaction.

I said this in a disappointed, frustrated tone of voice, and certainly not as an offer:

"I just wanted some sex this weekend, that's all, and well you're the only one who can provide it."

This was in front of the other 2 guys. Both myself and John continued on talking, but Bob noticed that she a) didn't say no, b) looked at me intently.

Bob is a semi-natural DJ (he has a gf and another girl (a 9.5 model) keeps trying to sleep with him)... he pointed out loads of unconsious DJ tactics I'd been using, the most important ones were that:

- I didn't try it on with her (read: not desperate)

- I had social proof - Kylie had slept with me

- I just plain said straight out "I'm looking for no-strings-attached sex".


btw Bob is my really cool wingman from the "Field Report: Clubbing and ONS" thread. He's helped me score twice now in the last month! :)

I don't feel so guilty today, I know that Johns been trying to pull a major guilt trip on me, and that pi$$es me off.

Ronny: that "green light" he gave me wasn't a true green light - he didn't mean it, and he didn't want me to take him up on it, but he just wanted to say it so he'd look good, you know what I mean?

Anyways how's this for an AFC message:

"Sorry about the other night Oscar, I just didn't realise how much I liked her until it was too late."

I need to teach this guy some skills...

later,
Osc.
 

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Originally posted by Don Ronny
Save the guilt for when you screw this girl's sister or something...
Actually, he has screwed mine... ironic or what?

I don't like any of his sisters, otherwise I'd be there in a second :)
 

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Oscar, I will say that it was in my opinion pretty bold, not necessary and well, not too DJing..... to tell Nikki *exactly* how you wanted to make Kylie your FB? Why do that. Why not just keep it to yourself? ANd good for you on this girl.

And whatever about John. He'll get over it. ALthough I think friends are more important than chicks so be careful. Sounds like he is more someone you grew up with than a true blue friend that you respect and admire.

I guess you know now how to make one. A FB that is... But in the end, I can tell you little FB can get really pissed and cause a lot of drama. Especially, if she is already this mad about you.

Try and be careful.

:D :D :D
 

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Hey tamales,

Thanks for bringing me down to earth - I appreciate the female perspective.

I was not actually trying to DJ Nicki, so that's why it didn't seem like DJing. When I say I explained exactly how I had been trying to make Kylie an FB, I didn't use any DJ terms (certainly not "FB" :)) but just explained the general concept of FB "no strings relationship" and why it was cool. So maybe I embellished the tale at that section a little and need to fix that...

John is a friend from college. He stole his best friends girlfriend (big drama). I thought he was going to marry her (seriously - soulmates/true love/whatever). Then he dumped her for seemingly no reason (he was scared).

The girl was my sis :) I warned them not to mess it up cos I refused to get involved in any sh!t between them.

I like the guy, he's fun to hang out with, and crazy enough that he makes me look sane. But he needs some help in this area, and I'm going to show him the ropes at some stage, if he lets me.

Thanks again for your input, it's always spot on. I'm trying to be careful with Nicki, she's really cool and I want to keep hanging out with her (maybe even as FB :)) but I think she may like me a little too much... sucks to be me :)

Oscar.
 
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