Fiance broke up with me

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I need advice. Im devastated right now.
Here is the run down, we dated for about 1.5yrs, And have been engaged for 2 months. Interest level wise atleast before we got engaged was atleast in the 90%, she pursued me in the beginning.
Anyway about 2 weeks into our engagement, she cries and tells me she has something to say. She has very irregular periods and might not be able to have a baby. She knows i want them, anyway i tell her she should have told me earlier, but i love her and this doesnt change how i feel about her. then about 2 weeks later, she calls me and out of the blue says, do you love me enough to let her go. She explains because of the baby thing, and because we are different and she thinks she cant make me happy. I tell her again, i dont care abou the baby thing, we has some differences, like i like to party occasionally, she doesnt. I ride a motorcycle, she hates that, i smoke, she hates that too. But besides that we have similar family backgrounds, both goto church, similar in everything else. I say to her i love you, you love me, thats all that matters. Dont mention this again, she cries, says she is sorry, and wont worry about it again.
Anyway yesterday, i come back from a trip to NYC. And she picks me up from the airport. We hug, she holds my hand back to my place. We watch some tv, talk, hug, and make out. At 11pm, she turns off the tv turns to me and says. "i dont want you to love me anymore" She says, she isnt ready to get married right now, and doesnt know if she will ever want to get married. Im of course in shock, and ask her what is the real reason for this, because at one point she wanted to marry me, and in the span of 2 months doesnt anymore. She says, she partly because of the baby thing, partly because we are different. We talk more, i really get no real information. I tell her to leave, and if she really wants this, im not going to stop you, but know that you broke my heart and i never want to see you again. I ask her to give me the ring back, she takes it off her finger and She leaves. But comes back in 30 minutes, and just sits there and crys. I ask her why did you come back, because if you still want to break up there is no reason you should be here. she saids she missed me, and couldnt leave. Basically the same lame excuse about why she wants to break up. I give her a loaded question.. so when did you stop loving me, she saids she never did stop. she wants me in her life (friend way), and she is not sorry of our relationship, she ask me if i am, i said if this is the way it ends, i wish you were never in my life because you broke my heart. Anyway she wants to stay and hold me, i say "no" because at this point she never said she didnt mean what she said about breaking up. Finally she leaves, i tell her good bye and take care, she saids dont say that and leave crying.
Havent heard back from her today.
Now guys, i want you to know i would take her back in a heartbeat, because she is the love of my life. But im not going to go begging for her to come back.
I really dont know what happened and how her interest can drop so fast, even though she saids it didnt. She just wants to best for me and thats not her. I know this is BS answer.
What do you guys think the real reason is? And how should i play this if i have any chance of getting her back.
Oh PS, she had planned to break up with me last night, and probably had it planned for days, when i was in NYC, i could tell she slept over at my place, and collected all the stuff she had of mine and put it in a bag next to the bed, along with a teddy bear with her perfume.
Im so confused and just in total shock. I need some help. IF this was any girl, i wouldnt care as much, but this was my fiance....
 

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You need an advice?

USE PARAGRAPHS.

I mean seriously. This shit is boring to start with and its a hard process to pick someone down and give them back the will to live. If you really want people to help you make sure you take time to make sure its easy to read.
 

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Also, besides those few situations, everything was fine. Talked to her everyday from NYC, and she had no idea this was going to happen. She was telling me all along that she loves me and misses me. I just dont get it.
 

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Also, besides those few situations, everything was fine. Talked to her everyday from NYC, and she had no idea this was going to happen. She was telling me all along that she loves me and misses me. I just dont get it. Its not like we had many fights, probably had 4 fights during this whole 1.5 year period. I had no indication to expect this.
 

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Originally posted by AsianCowboy
OH well aight....

I need advice. Im devastated right now.
Here is the run down, we dated for about 1.5yrs, And have been engaged for 2 months. Interest level wise atleast before we got engaged was atleast in the 90%, she pursued me in the beginning.
Anyway about 2 weeks into our engagement, she cries and tells me she has something to say. She has very irregular periods and might not be able to have a baby. She knows i want them, anyway i tell her she should have told me earlier, but i love her and this doesnt change how i feel about her. then about 2 weeks later, she calls me and out of the blue says, do you love me enough to let her go. She explains because of the baby thing, and because we are different and she thinks she cant make me happy.
You see, for some reason she either:

-Deceided willlingly or unwillingly that she had to make you leave the relationship or find a way to break it

-Is an idiot who doesnt beleive the rational stuff you tell her

I tell her again, i dont care abou the baby thing, we has some differences, like i like to party occasionally, she doesnt. I ride a motorcycle, she hates that, i smoke, she hates that too. But besides that we have similar family backgrounds, both goto church, similar in everything else. I say to her i love you, you love me, thats all that matters. Dont mention this again, she cries, says she is sorry, and wont worry about it again.
She is mentally unstable
Anyway yesterday, i come back from a trip to NYC. And she picks me up from the airport. We hug, she holds my hand back to my place. We watch some tv, talk, hug, and make out. At 11pm, she turns off the tv turns to me and says. "i dont want you to love me anymore"
How surprising...
She says, she isnt ready to get married right now, and doesnt know if she will ever want to get married.
Shes afraid of commitment
Im of course in shock, and ask her what is the real reason for this, because at one point she wanted to marry me, and in the span of 2 months doesnt anymore. She says, she partly because of the baby thing, partly because we are different.
Partly true, partly bullshit.
We talk more, i really get no real information. I tell her to leave, and if she really wants this, im not going to stop you, but know that you broke my heart and i never want to see you again. I ask her to give me the ring back, she takes it off her finger and She leaves.
Ok but wait........
But comes back in 30 minutes, and just sits there and crys.
...theres more.
I ask her why did you come back, because if you still want to break up there is no reason you should be here. she saids she missed me, and couldnt leave.
Blablabla.....
Basically the same lame excuse about why she wants to break up. I give her a loaded question.. so when did you stop loving me, she saids she never did stop. she wants me in her life (friend way), and she is not sorry of our relationship, she ask me if i am, i said if this is the way it ends, i wish you were never in my life because you broke my heart. Anyway she wants to stay and hold me, i say "no" because at this point she never said she didnt mean what she said about breaking up. Finally she leaves, i tell her good bye and take care, she saids dont say that and leave crying.
Let her cry alone.Its HER mistake and HER decision even though she will try to turn it around and make YOU feel like the bad guy.
Havent heard back from her today.
Now guys, i want you to know i would take her back in a heartbeat, because she is the love of my life.
If this kind of girl ( and not women) is your "love of my life" then I do not feel sorry for you but for her for finding such a low-life insecure chump. I mean cmon man. She litterally tried to play with your mind, she wasnt loving, she want caring, she wasnt supplicant and she wasnt that cute little thing that knows when to talk and knows when to shut up. She is obviously noone`s "love of my life". I can relate beause I was exacly where you were almost 2 tears ago.ANd when I mean exacly, I really mean it.
But im not going to go begging for her to come back.
Im sure you will eventually...
I really dont know what happened and how her interest can drop so fast, even though she saids it didnt. She just wants to best for me and thats not her. I know this is BS answer.
What do you guys think the real reason is? And how should i play this if i have any chance of getting her back.
Oh PS, she had planned to break up with me last night, and probably had it planned for days, when i was in NYC, i could tell she slept over at my place, and collected all the stuff she had of mine and put it in a bag next to the bed, along with a teddy bear with her perfume.
Im so confused and just in total shock. I need some help. IF this was any girl, i wouldnt care as much, but this was my fiance....
Of course she had this planned for a long time.Im sure 100% she asked you for something before she broke it.Im sure she gave you some kind of ultimatum.Im sure she told you you didnt love her enough.Thats just bullshit.
 

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I am of the opinion that she has done something behind your back.

This scenario has played itself too many times to me, my buddies and various seduction sites.

Dont mention this again, she cries, says she is sorry, and wont worry about it again.

Ok, she might be crying because of the baby thing (depends how important having kids are to her), but from my reading, she wasn't really that concerned.

The can't having kids excuse is a mask, and a way out for her. She is using this so that she can do anything irrational.

At 11pm, she turns off the tv turns to me and says. "i dont want you to love me anymore"

Because she is guilty. Because she has betrayed your trust and hence not worthy of your affections.

She says, she isnt ready to get married right now, and doesnt know if she will ever want to get married.

Yep. Translation: She had tasted too much freedom. She was scared and trapped by the whole concept of marriage.

You are too nice. She felt bad because she has betrayed your trust. But at the same time she is attracted to someone else. That explains the crying and the whole emotion carry-on.

I doubt there is anything to do with the CHANCE of not having kids.

I hope I am wrong, but I have seen too many of the same scenario OVER and OVER
 

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Yeah, I don't think it's the kid thing either. I have seen this before with my friends. What this comes down to is probably 2 main scenario...

1) She is afraid of commitment. This is sorta the reverse of what most men do (as the media portrays it). How old is she? Has she been with other relationships before? She could be wanting to "play the field" a little more. My best friend's gf did that and that was her reason -- to see more guys.

2) She doesn't see you as a hubby, either because she doesn't think you make a good husband/father, or because she has dropped interest in you. That could happen if she suddenly became attracted to another guy.

I can see that maybe she did something bad as uniassign said, and wanted to put the guilt on you. I say you did fine. Stand your ground. The trust (somewhere) has been broken. It might not work out anymore. This is truly messed up situation, but I think you well by asking for your ring back!
 

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Im almost positive there isnt another guy, We have joint phone accounts, and i never see anyones number there that i dont know.
She is one of those girls thats very innocent. She is 29yrs old, and a flight attendent.
I'm her second Boyfriend.
When i started dating her, she was a virgin. I could tell by that red stuff.
Took me many months just to get to 1st base. Finally did get all the way, but she felt so guilty about it. Of course i pressed for more times, but eventually i stopped trying. Because she really wanted to wait for marriage. I didnt want to keep pushing for it and seem desperate for it.
She has always wanted children when she got married, it very important to her.
I do believe she does have confidence issues (ie loser) She has a pretty face, but could lose about 20lbs. I figured i could take her along to the gym and help her lose the weight. Biuld up her confidence, which i always tried to do by complimenting her.
She has always been very sweet, caring, easy going, good morals. somebody i would want to marry.
Looks like she drove to her parents place a few hundred miles away, because i can see the caller id, she just tried calling me 3 times. I just turned off the phone.
Of course i asked for it back, it was a $13,000 engagement ring.
I've always been a nice guy too, but ive been reading sosuave and used lots of advice in the beginning to get her. Liking being confident, not getting mad, but being firm when something she did bothered me.
 

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A different view...

Similiar thing happened to me...

Had a gf things going ok...not well just ok.
I cheated on her...she finds out things still going ok.

She seems pretty happy even though I cheated.

I fall in love do the exclusive thing and tell her I want to marry her...lets go to vegas right now.

She says yes. Then balks and says she too young. She is totally freaked out when she realizes I am serious.

Another 1.5 years and the relationship is over. But she was never as happy as before I decided I was in love with her.

At the very end I start to lay down the law if we get married then this and that etc.

That was what broke it for her. I think about marriage when I meet a girl and only date women I could marry in LTR. Some people just date people who are fun and they feel love for them but can't see themselves marrying them. Its only when they realize that this is permanent that they realize you not the guy they want. Or equally possible that they just aren't emotionally ready to face the concept of marriage.

Another factor is that very few women want to marry a DJ. When you told her she should have told you about the baby thing you probably dug your own grave. I realized after I broke up with my ex that I considered myself better than her. I was constantly telling her how she should be and reducing her self image. Being the "prize" is good advice going into a relationship but in a relationship you need to make her feel like the prize. If she feels you are the prize and you both know it some women can't deal with that.

Imagine for a second that you are messed up emotionally. Someone who is not messed up at all in that dimension will notice all your "flaws" and tell you how to act. It doesn't matter if they are right the process will reduce your ego. Sometimes you can love someone but realize that they wear you out. My ex has a large emotional connection to me but is very sure she doesn't want me back.

My advice is to swallow your pride and go talk to her. Forget for a moment that you are the prize. Don't be weak but be supportive.....she wanted to come back....part of her wanted to come back the emotional part......you just need to understand why she is emotionally drawn to you but can't stay...

When you do let me know.......I don't know how to get the girl back myself =(
 

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Originally posted by AsianCowboy
Im almost positive there isnt another guy, We have joint phone accounts, and i never see anyones number there that i dont know.
She is one of those girls thats very innocent. She is 29yrs old, and a flight attendent.
I'm her second Boyfriend.
When i started dating her, she was a virgin. I could tell by that red stuff.
Took me many months just to get to 1st base. Finally did get all the way, but she felt so guilty about it. Of course i pressed for more times, but eventually i stopped trying. Because she really wanted to wait for marriage. I didnt want to keep pushing for it and seem desperate for it.
She has always wanted children when she got married, it very important to her.
I do believe she does have confidence issues (ie loser) She has a pretty face, but could lose about 20lbs. I figured i could take her along to the gym and help her lose the weight. Biuld up her confidence, which i always tried to do by complimenting her.
She has always been very sweet, caring, easy going, good morals. somebody i would want to marry.
Looks like she drove to her parents place a few hundred miles away, because i can see the caller id, she just tried calling me 3 times. I just turned off the phone.
Of course i asked for it back, it was a $13,000 engagement ring.
I've always been a nice guy too, but ive been reading sosuave and used lots of advice in the beginning to get her. Liking being confident, not getting mad, but being firm when something she did bothered me.
Sorry to be the one who tells you this....wait no Im not: YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
 

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hmm... are you both Asians? If that is the case, then I can see that this "honor" thing being held pretty strick. In some culture, women who can conceive really think badly of themselves.

Okay, then here is the deal, what does she want? Can she envision herself ever getting married, or stay single the rest of her life? Will she be happy with adoption? How sure is she that she can't have a baby, did she talk to an ob-gyn about this?

If you are sure that this breakup was due strictly to the baby, then all she needs is some re-assurance. Otherwise, it could be something more. You have to talk it out logically with her, wait until the emotion "dies down" and have another talk with her.

In this day and age, I don't see what's the big deal about not being able to have a kid. The world is overpopulated enough, but that's just me.
 
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The big clue here is "two weeks after the engagement" - You were engaged under the false pretense that she loved you!! She fell out of love in 2 weeks - huh?

The baby **** is an excuse to put the blame or onus on you for breaking the engagement and not her wanting to be with another man. Any woman would be delighted to have her fiance accept her even though her womb is not working! I wonder if the whole "I can't have a baby" deal is false! Hmmm!

If she feared a commitment so much and still loved you, she would have broken the engagement, but remained in the relationship longer to determine if you two are truly compatible. She was thinking of leaving you a long time ago and not just when you went away to NYC! Maybe she felt obligated to say 'yes' to you when you proposed.

I personally don't trust woman that chase me... as you have stated she did to you - a big alarm in my head went off when I read this (I have a pretty big head:)) I would not put it beyond her that she is currently pursuing someone else. Is this where her guilt comes from and the reason why she was coaxing you to leave her - huh? To make her look so kind and understanding of your feelings, if you were disappointed and left her. When you said you still loved her...she was the one disappointed because you didn't exit the door she gave you, and now you forced her hand to hurt your feelings and tell you the truth - she is hiding something!

One year and a half is not terribly long and I think her loyalties were always somewhere else...you are a ok b/f but not husband material in her eyes. Do not take her back, unless you are willing to be disappointed with the same action in the future - instead it will be a divorce. Never, never, never take a woman back, once she leaves you - her heart is not in it!!! And the heart cannot be forced!!!!

I know it hurts bro, but not accepting the reality and going against reason will only hurt you more in the future. Trust me on this...for what it's worth.
 

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Wow

My ex not a flight attendant but all the rest sounds like my ex.

Some women feel bad about themselves. When a guy feels good about them it forces them to either

1) Admit that they feel bad about themselves dispite being a attractive nice person that other women would like to be. Who men seek after and want to form relationships with.

or

2) Keep the negative attitude and instead of assuming they are higher cause you like them they assume that you are lower than them. If you like this kind of woman she assumes you are a loser cause she doesn't like herself and you are a challenge to her world view. The more you like her the more you challege her pity party and she will resent you even though she likes your encouragement at some level.

Anyway I don't have the answers I am seeking like you.
 

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No particular advice, I just wanted to say I think you handled yourself pretty well.

This episode is not over yet (there will be lots of back of forth and make-ups and breaks-ups yet) but the relationship is over.

27 and a half years old and she was still a virgin? Asian or not, I think that says a lot about a girl in today's world. PuertoRican Lover will disagree with me, but this isn't the kind of chick I would marry.
 

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It sounds like she is too innocent to fool around with another guy. If she was a virgin at 27, and it took you months to get to 1st base, and you were only her 2nd boyfriend, that doesn't sound like the kind of girl that would easily be seduced by another guy.

She sounds very traditional and I imagine having kids was tremendously important to her. Probably much more important than you realize. I would just try to talk it through to her. Maybe there are other alternatives.

How is her self esteem in general? Maybe she thinks you're too good for her, maybe she's scared of commitment, it could be alot of things.

I hope things work out for the two of you.
 

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I'm going to go out on a limb here with absolutely no evidence.

I WOULD BET THE FAMILY FARM THAT SHE IS INTERESTED IN, IF NOT ALREADY FVCKING, ANOTHER GUY. MARK MY WORDS.

No woman who has given her virginity to a guy, invested all that time and energy, is going to make herself look horrible to her family and friends, is nearly 28 years old, and is a FAT LOSER (your words, not mine) is going to give that up without having another thing to leap to. Mark my words. She's a flight attendant? I'm willing to bet she's being courted by someone she met while at work.

Either way, you're done bro and good fvcking riddance. Whew! That fat loser (again, your words, not mine) showed her true colors. Also mark my words and Justdoits that she will be back and will be back and forth like a pendulum. You cannot let her back in though brother, she has already spoken. There is a major crack in the damn and no matter how much you patch it, it will leak and leak until the whole damn damn comes crashing down be it a few months or years from now. Move on.
 
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Originally posted by AsianCowboy
Im almost positive there isnt another guy, We have joint phone accounts, and i never see anyones number there that i dont know.
She is one of those girls thats very innocent. She is 29yrs old, and a flight attendent.
I'm her second Boyfriend.
When i started dating her, she was a virgin. I could tell by that red stuff.
Took me many months just to get to 1st base. Finally did get all the way, but she felt so guilty about it. Of course i pressed for more times, but eventually i stopped trying. Because she really wanted to wait for marriage. I didnt want to keep pushing for it and seem desperate for it.
She has always wanted children when she got married, it very important to her.
There is that damn alarm bell going off in my head again - 28 year-old virgin living in the USA - one thing my man, virgins don't pursue men. You said she was the pursuer in the beginning...something's wrong with this picture. Second b/f and she is 28 - hmm ..but she didn't give it up to the 1st boyfriend...hmmm usually they give it up to their first love and at 28 I'm sure she had to love somebody by then, at least this guy she was with..

Another clue, when she is no longer a virgin, she can't become one again! She gave you all of herself and then stops... why? The damage has been done already, so to speak! She has committed herself fully to you already, why feel guilty now?...except maybe to make her look more innocent than what she really is...hmmm.

More alarms going off here...sounds like a fire truck leaving the station..

You seem to be financially stable to buy her a $13,000 ring, yet she doesn't want you...hmmm.

She is going on 30 years old and she is not in hurry to marry? Most girls are desperate by this stage, because they know their beauty is fleeting and have little time left!...yet she still doesn't want you...hmmm.

What are her chances to find a guy that wants a family and still be with her once he finds out she can't have children?? You are willing to do so and she still doesn't want you...hmmm.

You say she may have confidence issues on how she looks and feels about herself and she is a little plump...this should actually make her want you more and not less, since she feels no one else would take her in this condition...yet she still doesn't want you...hmmm

You claim to be a self-professed nice guy who treats her well...but not to the point of a chump...yet she still doesn't want you...hmmm

You are for the most part compatible with each other with minor differences and rarely fight and seem to have the same moral values...yet she still doesn't want you...hmmm.

Oh yeah, most importantly if you were the one that she gave her virginity to after waiting to the ripe old age of 28, you must have been extremely favorable in her eyes and pleasing to her in her heart, and I would imagine that a 28 year-old virgin would be loyal to the guy that ‘ruined’ her…yet she still doesn’t want to be with you…hmmm.

Please tell me again why she doesn't want you? I’m confused! Oh yeah, because you are different and she can’t make you happy…and if you love her you would let her go! This shyt is nonsensical!!! You are the same man and are in the same condition and of the same mind as you were two months ago…why didn’t she tell you this then? What changed? Find out! Or maybe, just maybe, she never loved you!
 

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First, I think some of you guys are being pretty harsh on cowboy. I would think that if some of the guys that are critizicing were in the same postion they would be acting much worse than our friend here. In reality, I think chin has handled this pretty well.

Now, as far as what you should do? Thats a tuff one. THis isnt just some casual acquaintance or short term gf. However, I think many of the same principals apply. You stood up very well for yourself when she told you this, although i tend to believe that based on the times she has hinted at this move before, you probably started to act more afc around her without even knowing it.

I too am in the camp that either she has lost all interest in you, or someone else has come into the picture. Not saying she has started dating someone else, but 9 times out of ten a girl especially will not leave a relationship without a backup plan (someone else she knows she can at least start talking to). And with you two being engaged its even more unlikely to happen unless like I said, she is into someone else. I find it very hard to believe that she is breaking this off because of the baby thing, most women would be THRILLED if their man understood such a thing and still wanted to marry them. That just doesnt add up. Shes using it as an excuse to get out of this either because of the low IL or the appearance of another man. WIth her being a airline stewardess that makes meeting new guys veryyyyyyy easy. I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that she has been planning this for a while, the way she broke up with you is how 99% of most girls do it, one small step at a time until they eventually have the guts or enough of feel for another guy to know that she can do this and not be left out in the dark alone.

What you should do is DONT talk to her for 2-3 days, even if she is calling incessantly. Make her sweat a little and start to realize what she could be losing by doing this. If she drove to her parents and is calling you that is a good sign. It shows she is legitamitely upset, and runs to her parents (comfort) and calls you from there. Good sign. When you finally talk to her, act concerned but not overly upset even though its killing you. Express your love for her in a calm way, tell her that she is making a mistake, but she must do what is in her heart. Put no threats or ultimatiums on her. Be very specific about how much you love her, and tell her that you will need some time away from her to get over this. That is what will ultimately get her back if/when she wants that--her missing you and realizing what a mistake she has made. But whatever you do, dont beg cry or act like a wuss. She is the one making the decison here, and she is the one who will have to live with it if she follows through. Be the man here and act like one, and your chances of getting her back--if thats what you really want-are much greater. Good luck.
 

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