F&*k!!

[40quid]

Warning -- this is going to be a *****y post.

I know that I should calm down and let this roll off my back. I should take a deep breath and just calm down because being pissed about this is just going to make me lose sleep and not be productive.

I have been actively practicing the stuff in the DJ Bible and "the other site that will not be named." However, I have gotten to a pont where I wonder if all the effort is really worth it. I got out and I approach, and approach, and approach.

Sure, I can get numbers. Sure, I can even get some attraction going with some girls, but lately, I've had absolutely no success (read: dates or lays) whatsoever.

It's so frustrating when you think you understand the theory, but when you go out in practice, you just get slammed again and again and again.

I'm starting to wonder if all this effort is worth it. I go out and do the field work, but yet, I'm having less success than some of my AFC friends.

I was so optimistic before because when I first started, I went from being a total idiot, to getting numbers on a regular basis, so I was happy. Now, I've reached a certain point where it seems like I just can't break through the glass ceiling.

I'm starting to wonder if there is a certain range of girls that people are able to get and not matter what you do, you are doomed to that certain range.

Eventually, all these rejections start to erode your confidence.

So here's my question:

Should I just keep trying to play in the major leagues, or should I slum a bit in the minors to get my confidence back up? At first, I was getting numbers from girls that I was actually attracted to, but it appeared to be a dead end, since I could never set up a meet. I know that I can pull a certain level or quality of chick. Should I just mess around with them a bit so that I can get my skills and confidence back up?

What can I do to escape this hell that is this plateau? It appears that my success rates are getting worse (as applied to getting numbers and having successful approaches) the more frustrated I get.

 

[TesuqueRed]

Back it up a little bit and then progress back towards where you want to be. Work on those a little older, a little lower down the 1-10 scale--whatever. Start getting success there and then start heading back up the charts again.

 

[HuuBinh]

maybe you should chill out a little and don't try so hard. Focus on other things beside women.

 

[40quid]

Any other words of advice? (BTW, I'm pissed that the NULL thread is getting more response than this one.)

 

[Walden]

Play hard, train hard, love the game and remember to do it for the love of it.

 

[Tryin to Grow a Chin]

Originally posted by 40quid


Should I just keep trying to play in the major leagues, or should I slum a bit in the minors to get my confidence back up?

JUST GET LAID.

Forget about quality for now. You need the confidence boost that only pvssy can provide. Your diick won't care if the vagina isn't attached to a 10.

BTW, fat chicks actually feel a lot better as long as your friends don't find out. Go find a fattie with a cute face and plow her senseless. The start over and let us know if you do any better.

 

[chili kat]

Right now that little AFC in your head is saying, "I told you so! I told you you were going to fail! But don't worry kiddo, I'm still here for you. See the chubby one over there? No, to the left of that one...the BIGGER one...Yeah, That's the one for YOU!! Go get her champ! And here...take these flowers with you."

If you give in to that voice even just a little, it will begin to tear down everything you've worked for. That voice telling you to slum because "it'll revive your spirits" doesn't want you to visit HB5land, it wants you to stay there and raise a family.

Don't change your standards to make something that isn't working work. Change what isn't working. Step back and take a good look at this glass cieling. You said yourself you have problems setting up meets. Why? What exactly are you doing?

 

[Big Pappy]

Instead of asking a girl for her number, try this:

Drink your drink quickly as you talk to this girl. When it's gone, start to drink hers. Make a little fun out of it. Then you can buy her a drink; you've already consumed hers, so it's not like she's getting over on you.

Try this as well. Stay away from these places you are meeting thse women at. Stay home. Watch a video. If you're not on a date, no sense looking for one. That is, let these women miss you a bit. Let them wonder where you are, what you are doing. After a week, then go back. You'll see who's missed you. Some of the girls will actually hit you for not being there. (At least, that's how they react when I return after an absence.) Those are the ones with the high interest level.

Just my two cents.

 

[legrandtango]

I thought a real part of being a dj, was being content with your life even without women, and also genuimly not giving a **** when you get rejected how ever many times it happens

 

[40quid]

Too many sports analogies

I understand what you are saying. One mark of a DJ is to be perfectly happy with the rest of your life without women. However, it's a fine line that you have to walk between not caring about the result and just flat out not giving a crap so that you don't even approach.

I don't know if slumming it is my AFC voice calling out to me to settle.

I look at it this way. Right now, as far as DJ skills go, I'm like a skinny guy who is trying to do 250 lb reps on the bench press. I think eventually, with enough work, I can move the bar an inch. However, if I try to bench just the bar (i.e., lower my standards a bit) I can work on my technique and confidence. As long as I keep adding more weight (i.e., go after higher quality chicks) I can eventually play in the major leagues.

Being an AFC and settling is like bench pressing the bar and being totally content just to do that, without adding more weight.

What do you guys think?

 

[WizardOfOz]

Interesting analogy with the bench pressing.

I've thought about slumming it too (but I've never actually done it). The thoughts only come along when I'm focussing too much on women and not getting any good results.

So what do I do when I find myself having these thoughts? I sit down and review my life. This is when I often commit to doing something I've wanted to do for a while eg learning a foreign language, doing a first aid course, taking a holiday, taking up a new sport/hobby, contacting old friends, revamping my waldrobe.
This often bring about change. Change in the way people look at me. Change in who I spend my time with. These changes usually enable me to attack life with renewed enthusiasm which brings about even more exciting changes (which often involves picking up new women in new places).

This is all based on the saying (which I think I first read somewhere on this site)...... If you keep doing what you've always been doing then you're going to keep getting what you've always been getting.

 

[Duke]

I was so optimistic before because when I first started, I went from being a total idiot, to getting numbers on a regular basis, so I was happy. Now, I've reached a certain point where it seems like I just can't break through the glass ceiling.

Boy, can I identify with that statement. I often find myself in the exact same mindset. I tell myself to look at the road behind, but I feel like I'm stagnating.

I feel like I should be moving forward-- progressing forward gradually from number to action date to kino to kiss close... But I'm getting stinted at the number

And the problem isn't even the chicks... it's my over-fukkin protective parents not letting me take the car out.

I can definitely see my glass cieling and it's reflecting all the good times I could be having, only to be sqaundered by parents who want me to be "safe" and "successful."

As I see it, there isn't much I can do short of total rebellion, IE taking the car out without notice and leaving them to worry like fools and then returning to two pissed-off geezers.

I don't want to do that, though. I just want my space so that I don't become socially retarded again. Plz help...
My aim is secondton0ne

 

[CLOONEY]

Start boxing, the feeling of wooping a guy in the ring is better than sex!

Now to the question, just take it easy, dont try so hard, get some more interests (sports etc), you are probably out there looking too keen! Remember girls want what they cant have.

 

[Pimp-sicle]

All these principles work magically if you use them correctly. So what does this mean for you? 2 possible things:

1-Your not applying the material correctly.

2-There's a new skill you need to learn.


Maybe if you give us some examples of your field reports we can help you out better.



PIMP

 

[Jake Steed]

40quid,

I have a lot to say about rejection since I've been through a lot of it. ANYONE who's ever put their a$$ on the line has. I remember a year or so ago I was going through a really dry spell. I could score numbers like no tomorrow, but the girl's flake rate was like 99%. It was really frustrating. I began to really really analyze why they were flaking on me and what I was doing wrong.

You know what I finally came up with? Nothing. Ross Jeffries and other d1ckhead "gurus" have so called anti-flaking tactics, but they are total bullsh!t, and usually amount to you lowering yourself to begging her not to flake on you beforehand.

There is no magic answer. The only real tip I can give you about dealing with flakes is to avoid them completely. By that I mean train yourself to approach and invest your time ONLY in girls with HIGH IL. If she seems lukewarm, move on. Nothing short of really high IL will do because anything less that TOTAL enthusiasm on her part is going to lead to her flaking out on you.

It is a common falacy on this board to think that if you use magic "Uranus" pattern no.812 and stand on your head and face east you can seduce any girl. Bullsh!t. This notion that with the right "formula" you can seduce any girl is a juvenile fantasy fueled by ego. There are tons of girls out there that are unseduceable by you. You have to face that. Women aren't fvcking Dell Dimension 2400's. They are humans and humans flake when they're interest is low.

So I suggest for you to not stress out so much about trying to make ALL girls not flake on you and focus on getting a specific girl that you know will be into you. And that doesn't mean lowering your standards.

By the way, a few years down the road, if you're building a career like me, you will realize that seduction/dating is similar to the working world. Seducing companies into hiring you is so similar to seducing women into bed that it's very eerie. You have to make yourself into the best "you", sell yourself like the best product out there, put your a$$ on the line and face rejection like a man.

Good luck.

Jake

 

[CLOONEY]

Originally posted by Jake Steed
There is no magic answer. The only real tip I can give you about dealing with flakes is to avoid them completely. By that I mean train yourself to approach and invest your time ONLY in girls with HIGH IL. If she seems lukewarm, move on. Nothing short of really high IL will do because anything less that TOTAL enthusiasm on her part is going to lead to her flaking out on you.

It is a common falacy on this board to think that if you use magic "Uranus" pattern no.812 and stand on your head and face east you can seduce any girl. Bullsh!t. This notion that with the right "formula" you can seduce any girl is a juvenile fantasy fueled by ego. There are tons of girls out there that are unseduceable by you. You have to face that. Women aren't fvcking Dell Dimension 2400's. They are humans and humans flake when they're interest is low.


Jake

hahahahahahaahahhahaaha, OMG this part has hit the nail right on the head. I only ask for numbers from girls who give me all the signs, then if I am pretty sure she has high interest I call her, and my rejection rate is VERY VERY LOW. Maybe about 10%! Yep, some girls you just cant get! The sooner you realise this the better, and the more confident you can feel about yourself! One day when I am in LA (as this is where most of these "fast seduction" and all that other bullsh*t posters seem to live), I am going to have to meet up with these guys and have a competition with them over a week or so. I wanna see if any of their crap can work, compared to my simple strategies! Bet it makes NO difference. Interest level is high (when they think your cute and there is chemistry), if it is not high due to these reasons, you are fukced, face it!

 

[40quid]

Jake,

It's been a few days now and I now see the truth in your words. Most of the best prospects I've had have been with women who had shown a bit of interest in me already. Often times, the ones who have low IL just aren't worth the trouble anyway -- and you are lowering yourself in their eyes if you try and chase them in the first place.

I can tell that you really understand the concerns that I have, judging by your previous posts on this board. You actually have the experience to back up what you're telling me, unlike 99% of the clowns on this site who will do nothing but quote back warmed over David DeAngelo-isms.

40quid