BetterCallSaul
Master Don Juan
I would like to start a thread where anyone can post various sayings or trends you recall over the years that demonstrate how feminism has adversely affected women by changing how they think for the worse when it comes to relations with men. Feminism, for those unaware, is usually agreed to have really gotten its start back in the 1960s with much of the typical hippie movement found throughout the country. I will say that for historical purposes, some might consider tracing this back to the 1920s when both women's suffrage gained success as well as prohibition of alcohol around the same time, a lot of the latter championed by women due to living with husband's who were drunk a lot and subsequently beaten.
I won't get into a debate about the 1920s stuff I mentioned and that isn't what this thread is about. It's about what modern feminism has done to undermine the traditional family structure under the guise of "empowering" women thus trying to make men seem inferior, denegrate them through shame and seek to support whatever behavior a woman feels is justifiable at any time.
So I'll start. I've noticed that this site tends to have a lot of younger guys (meaning late teens and 20s) so I guess I'm already on the older guys side of things. I'll try to recall a couple of things I remember from my younger years to help illustrate how this movement has continued to erode our society. Please understand most of the stuff I'm talking about here is mainly targeted toward people in LTRs or are married.
Closure - As in, seeking closure for a failed relationship; trying to figure out what went wrong. The problem here is that even a lot of guys these days are using this same term and trying to understand where something failed. Hell even on this site I've noticed that some guys when they ask for advice even integrate this into their thinking and I've seen others OFFER advice with "closure" as part of it. Men should be able to see what's going on in their relationship. We like to consider ourselves pretty simple to satisfy right? Keep us fed, keep us f*cked, keep the drama out and good night's sleep and that covers the majority of it. So why is it suddenly we need this complex ordeal of analysing stuff? If you're single and out having a good time, move on. You've got plates right? Don't deal with this drama in your life. It induces stress on you and takes away your energy to deal with some woman who wants to either manipulate you into one last good splurge of you being her emotional tampon or so she can keep you orbiting just a little while longer while that new branch is being put securely in place. If you're in a LTR or are married, you and your girlfriend or wife should be working out so well together that you're not doing stupid sh*t to cause the other to wonder "what are they doing?" or "why can't he/she tell me x?" When you love someone, you don't want to cause them undue hardship, pain or stress. A good woman will not f*ck around with your feelings or emotions.
Mr. Right Now - Remember this one? Every woman always wants Mr. Right, but some years ago the catchy phrase Mr. Right Now came out to allow women some kind of justifiable reason to ride the c*ck carousel at any age. Look, it's expected that young women will do this. Young people are new to sex, curious, want to explore stuff...we've ALL been there. But at some point you continue to grow as a person, mature, become more reliable, more stable, build a better foundation for yourself and the life you want and ideally you'd find a partner who shares similar values. But the inherent problem comes out when media, tv shows or movies show women in their 30s (or older) claiming to espouse this value of just looking for Mr. Right Now in some kind of quest. And because all the women in this little circle of friends are engaging in the same behavior, it's ok even in spite of the fact they may be involved in some kind of LTR. Here on SS, even many guys who offer advice tend to agree that you probably shouldn't mess around with another man's woman too hard. Sure, we've seen some situations where field reports indicate that she "says" she has a boyfriend, but who knows for sure. That's a typical instinctive reaction that might not be true. If you're in an exclusive LTR, and you've both agreed to what you expect of the other, then it's vitally important that each respect the other.
Ladies Night Out - Hey sometimes we all need to get away for a while from some kind of monotony. Sometimes this is the only way to maintain our sanity. But when it gets twisted into yet another excuse that, since the ladies are all hanging out with one another, it's ok to go making out with some other guy or even maybe having a quickie in the bathroom at some club. In a LTR, feminism still likes to "empower" women that if you want to ride the carousel, it's still ok...you know, cause you're a woman.
Male/Female Salary Inequality - Little "studies" like this come out almost every year and year after year they tend to show the same results: men make more then women. Women, mostly feminists, bemoan that they should make the same, if not more, than men. Here are a couple of actual facts I'd like to toss in. First, working with women is in many ways the same as dating them because a lot of women tend to like drama. When you combine this sadistic quality of enjoying drama with the typical politics found in the workplace, well it's usually a disaster. From my own personal experience after being in the workforce for about 20 years I can confirm this. I am thankful that right now I work in an environment heavily dominated by men; the drama is minimal, we get our work done pretty effectively, maybe we argue and yell but we move on, and best of all during some downtime we can tell the occasional sexist joke and not have to worry about some HR drone or woman getting worked up over some pre-conceived notion that she was somehow targeted by it. The second fact is that when you look at women today who are middle aged (hell even young ones actually), they want a man who is financially secure or financially independent. A woman wants a guy who has a lot of money because she knows he has resources to provide for her. Well guess what? Money doesn't grow on the f*cking money tree planted in our backyards. We have to work our a$$es off for it usually and a lot of it is so we can maybe show you a good time so that you'll put out or to otherwise support our family. Oh, and a third fact I just thought of: capitalism. An employer should be free to pay each employee what they feel he/she is worth. If most women tend to make less than most men, maybe the women should actually try and work harder.
Sperm banks - Modern medicine can be great but like any tool it can be a double-edged sword. Enter the "modern woman", a career-minded go-getter climbing the corporate ladder, getting that corner executive office by the time she's 35 yet feels she's still missing something in her life. "Hey I know, I'll just head down the sperm bank, get some samples so I can get pregnant and that'll fill the void in my life". I think we all know where this is leading. She's going to end up in exactly the same place as some divorced middle aged woman with kids looking for a "nice" guy, who is of course in shape and financially secure and then wonders why she can't find him...she's a great catch too! Sperm banks can be good too, such as couples who have trouble conceiving, but it's when these feminist, single women enter the scene that this too contributes to the spiraling downfall of male/female relations.
The Bumbling Idiot Husband/Boyfriend - Ever notice this in a lot of typical sitcoms that are on tv today? I myself do not watch any tv anymore. If I watch something, it's a show I specifically pick via the internet or a service like Netflix. My daughter still watches some different shows but this is nothing new. A show will star some typical American family, the man of the house is some bumbling idiot who couldn't manage to make toast without burning the house down while the woman is the successful breadwinner who manages to not only bring home the bacon but also gets the kids ready for school, go to all their school events, and keep the house in top shape. She might nag a lot, but she gets her way because of everything else she does and the man in the show follows her lead. Like I said, I don't watch this crap but the fact remains that these types of shows are widely aired all over. People can be receptive to this type of programming and attempt to integrate it into their life. I'd like to contrast this to an older show, All in the Family starring Archie Bunker, who is portrayed as a very conservative, blue collar worker. He takes pride in being a man, taking care of his family, conservative American values with pride in his country, yet at every avenue from his kids and wife, they attack his beliefs as being outdated or just not in touch with how people think "today". Mind you "today" is around 1971, but the point is that this is nothing new. Archie could be bullheaded sometimes, but many men his age that I've personnally met in my life are, at heart, good decent people but because they've had to put up with so much bullsh*t over the years either through work or at home they've become jaded or just disillusioned.
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I won't get into a debate about the 1920s stuff I mentioned and that isn't what this thread is about. It's about what modern feminism has done to undermine the traditional family structure under the guise of "empowering" women thus trying to make men seem inferior, denegrate them through shame and seek to support whatever behavior a woman feels is justifiable at any time.
So I'll start. I've noticed that this site tends to have a lot of younger guys (meaning late teens and 20s) so I guess I'm already on the older guys side of things. I'll try to recall a couple of things I remember from my younger years to help illustrate how this movement has continued to erode our society. Please understand most of the stuff I'm talking about here is mainly targeted toward people in LTRs or are married.
Closure - As in, seeking closure for a failed relationship; trying to figure out what went wrong. The problem here is that even a lot of guys these days are using this same term and trying to understand where something failed. Hell even on this site I've noticed that some guys when they ask for advice even integrate this into their thinking and I've seen others OFFER advice with "closure" as part of it. Men should be able to see what's going on in their relationship. We like to consider ourselves pretty simple to satisfy right? Keep us fed, keep us f*cked, keep the drama out and good night's sleep and that covers the majority of it. So why is it suddenly we need this complex ordeal of analysing stuff? If you're single and out having a good time, move on. You've got plates right? Don't deal with this drama in your life. It induces stress on you and takes away your energy to deal with some woman who wants to either manipulate you into one last good splurge of you being her emotional tampon or so she can keep you orbiting just a little while longer while that new branch is being put securely in place. If you're in a LTR or are married, you and your girlfriend or wife should be working out so well together that you're not doing stupid sh*t to cause the other to wonder "what are they doing?" or "why can't he/she tell me x?" When you love someone, you don't want to cause them undue hardship, pain or stress. A good woman will not f*ck around with your feelings or emotions.
Mr. Right Now - Remember this one? Every woman always wants Mr. Right, but some years ago the catchy phrase Mr. Right Now came out to allow women some kind of justifiable reason to ride the c*ck carousel at any age. Look, it's expected that young women will do this. Young people are new to sex, curious, want to explore stuff...we've ALL been there. But at some point you continue to grow as a person, mature, become more reliable, more stable, build a better foundation for yourself and the life you want and ideally you'd find a partner who shares similar values. But the inherent problem comes out when media, tv shows or movies show women in their 30s (or older) claiming to espouse this value of just looking for Mr. Right Now in some kind of quest. And because all the women in this little circle of friends are engaging in the same behavior, it's ok even in spite of the fact they may be involved in some kind of LTR. Here on SS, even many guys who offer advice tend to agree that you probably shouldn't mess around with another man's woman too hard. Sure, we've seen some situations where field reports indicate that she "says" she has a boyfriend, but who knows for sure. That's a typical instinctive reaction that might not be true. If you're in an exclusive LTR, and you've both agreed to what you expect of the other, then it's vitally important that each respect the other.
Ladies Night Out - Hey sometimes we all need to get away for a while from some kind of monotony. Sometimes this is the only way to maintain our sanity. But when it gets twisted into yet another excuse that, since the ladies are all hanging out with one another, it's ok to go making out with some other guy or even maybe having a quickie in the bathroom at some club. In a LTR, feminism still likes to "empower" women that if you want to ride the carousel, it's still ok...you know, cause you're a woman.
Male/Female Salary Inequality - Little "studies" like this come out almost every year and year after year they tend to show the same results: men make more then women. Women, mostly feminists, bemoan that they should make the same, if not more, than men. Here are a couple of actual facts I'd like to toss in. First, working with women is in many ways the same as dating them because a lot of women tend to like drama. When you combine this sadistic quality of enjoying drama with the typical politics found in the workplace, well it's usually a disaster. From my own personal experience after being in the workforce for about 20 years I can confirm this. I am thankful that right now I work in an environment heavily dominated by men; the drama is minimal, we get our work done pretty effectively, maybe we argue and yell but we move on, and best of all during some downtime we can tell the occasional sexist joke and not have to worry about some HR drone or woman getting worked up over some pre-conceived notion that she was somehow targeted by it. The second fact is that when you look at women today who are middle aged (hell even young ones actually), they want a man who is financially secure or financially independent. A woman wants a guy who has a lot of money because she knows he has resources to provide for her. Well guess what? Money doesn't grow on the f*cking money tree planted in our backyards. We have to work our a$$es off for it usually and a lot of it is so we can maybe show you a good time so that you'll put out or to otherwise support our family. Oh, and a third fact I just thought of: capitalism. An employer should be free to pay each employee what they feel he/she is worth. If most women tend to make less than most men, maybe the women should actually try and work harder.
Sperm banks - Modern medicine can be great but like any tool it can be a double-edged sword. Enter the "modern woman", a career-minded go-getter climbing the corporate ladder, getting that corner executive office by the time she's 35 yet feels she's still missing something in her life. "Hey I know, I'll just head down the sperm bank, get some samples so I can get pregnant and that'll fill the void in my life". I think we all know where this is leading. She's going to end up in exactly the same place as some divorced middle aged woman with kids looking for a "nice" guy, who is of course in shape and financially secure and then wonders why she can't find him...she's a great catch too! Sperm banks can be good too, such as couples who have trouble conceiving, but it's when these feminist, single women enter the scene that this too contributes to the spiraling downfall of male/female relations.
The Bumbling Idiot Husband/Boyfriend - Ever notice this in a lot of typical sitcoms that are on tv today? I myself do not watch any tv anymore. If I watch something, it's a show I specifically pick via the internet or a service like Netflix. My daughter still watches some different shows but this is nothing new. A show will star some typical American family, the man of the house is some bumbling idiot who couldn't manage to make toast without burning the house down while the woman is the successful breadwinner who manages to not only bring home the bacon but also gets the kids ready for school, go to all their school events, and keep the house in top shape. She might nag a lot, but she gets her way because of everything else she does and the man in the show follows her lead. Like I said, I don't watch this crap but the fact remains that these types of shows are widely aired all over. People can be receptive to this type of programming and attempt to integrate it into their life. I'd like to contrast this to an older show, All in the Family starring Archie Bunker, who is portrayed as a very conservative, blue collar worker. He takes pride in being a man, taking care of his family, conservative American values with pride in his country, yet at every avenue from his kids and wife, they attack his beliefs as being outdated or just not in touch with how people think "today". Mind you "today" is around 1971, but the point is that this is nothing new. Archie could be bullheaded sometimes, but many men his age that I've personnally met in my life are, at heart, good decent people but because they've had to put up with so much bullsh*t over the years either through work or at home they've become jaded or just disillusioned.
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