Eliciting Value and Demonstrating value-PUA style???

[MasterYoda]

Right this subject has got me really confused.


Demonstrating and Eliciting Values

First of all before anyone answers my questions just tell me what demonstrating and eliciting value is, because I think I understand it but I may have it wrong and please give examples. Thank you

Now from I am gathering Eliciting and demonstating value to a woman are different but similat things.

When demonstrating value your trying to make her comforatble around you and showing her what you have to offer as a man. Right?

And Eliciting Value is figuring out what she wants in a man right. Right?

So do you demonstrated value or elicit values first? And when is the best time to figure these things out i.e. When you meet her at the club for the first time, On the phone, on the first date? Where and When




Understanding that value properly?

OK I have asked this before but I'll ask again since no way gave me a straight answer. Say you ask a woman What she likes in a man and she says she likes "tall men" and you find that being around tall men makes her fell secure and protected. How do you turn into the guy she is looking for? For an example I am a tall skinny guy so How do create that security and protection she is looking for?
What if she said she likes strong men? How do I create that for her?

And finally What kind of questions should I ask?

 

[Kalel21]

Yeah I oftern get this one wrong as well I hope I can learn from this question as well...

 

[MasterYoda]

Come on people please tell me something here!

 

[þ†~VígøRóù§~]

Seriously why would she want a strong guy around for? For protection! of couse. Have you ever put your arm around a girl and she say she feel all protected?? Similar here. If she say she want a tall, strong man.
Key word would be tall and strong.
tall= apperance there isnt much you can do except dress clean, with style
strong= a guy that protects her physicaly and emotionaly.

 

[MasterYoda]

Originally posted by þ†~VígøRóù§~
Seriously why would she want a strong guy around for? For protection! of couse. Have you ever put your arm around a girl and she say she feel all protected?? Similar here. If she say she want a tall, strong man.
Key word would be tall and strong.
tall= apperance there isnt much you can do except dress clean, with style
strong= a guy that protects her physicaly and emotionaly.

YES but How do I give her those things?

 

[dyce]

who cares, just attract her

dont listen to what comes outta her mouth

i know girls who say they would never date a guy who smokes, 2 years later, all her ex's have been guys who smoked

girls say they want tall dark and handsome, most of the time they get a short guy

my last girl would swear that she would neva cheat on her bf, guess wat, she did, with me for 4 months

seriously, forget about trying to be 'tall guy' or wateva and just attract her

 

[Schlep]

Don't ask her what she wants in a man, that's stupid. It gives her the chance to say "NOT YOU!" If she's with you at the time, YOU are what she wants in a man. Case closed.

Demonstrating value is just building rapport with her. Have a few stories, hook her in, find some things you guys have in common. It's not really that hard.

 

[catch]

the main goal to eliciting values is to find out HOW YOU CAN BECOME WHAT SHE VALUES by demonstating that value to her, for example;

lets say your talking about tennis, shes been playing it for most of her life,

hb"yeah i play tennis, blah blah blah"
(boring subject i know, just for an example)

you"really, ive played tennis its a ok, im not vey good though!
(ok, here ime relating to what shes talking about, the last thing you want to do is bring the convo down by having no interest in what shes talking about, so relate to what she says,)

you"so,do you play for fun or the competative side"
(digging deeper into what she likes about the game, and eliciting what she values)

hb"i like to play in a competion, i love the THRILL of competing!
(ok, you can tell that she values the competative side of the game, she values competition!"

you"yeah thats what i love about all sports, i get a big THRILL out of giving it my all to win, otherwise theres no point in playing, for me its mainly the competive side, do you like martial arts?"

(ok, youve found out she values, competition, so now your demonstrating that value by talking about it, notice how i would pick up on the word she uses, its a key word to throw back at her, that word was THRILL...she used it, so i did to)

if she values competition, then you can lead the conversation down a path that involves competion, i said "do you like martial arts", if she sais no, then you can talk about how good it is and throw in some value, and recomend that she try it out! you can even use that as an activity that you both would enjoy doing together! if she sais yes she likes it then you can carry on talking about that and demostrating more value...!!!

can you see how it works? its really nothing special, you will most likley find that you do it natrually sometimes when your vibing with your mates, and most great conversationalists do this really well! you can gain major repor and attraction by demonstrating the same value as someone!

hope that helps,and you should definatly practice this one, it works great when you want to build repor with anyone, not just the girls,

your friends,
your boss
your collegues
class mates
whoever you want...

the easiest way to elicit a value is to just ask questions and get to heart of the matter! then talk about it! simple...!

 

[MasterYoda]

So your basically your repating what she said back to her. right?

 

[catch]

wow, you hit the nail on the head!

you just show her that you have the same values and that you are of that value, in the instant i was talking about, she likes the thrill of a competition, so you being a challenge will fill her boots! you get what ime saying?

in other words, use what you know about her to your advantage!

 

[HuuBinh]

-MasterYoda-

Why do you feel the need the demonstrate high value (DHV)?
DHV presumes that you are of inferior value in the first place because what you are doing is qualifying yourself.

Furthermore, if you enter an interaction with already assumed superior value, then trying Elicit her values (EV) to make her connect like you more is incongruent.

If anything, she needs to be eliciting your values because a don juan is higher value. Leave those techniques to the PUAs.

 

[MasterYoda]

I think you have to demonstrate some kind of value. I'm not sure if your really being inferior.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

Wouldn't it be a bit of a problem when she finds out you're not that cool, competitive guy you claimed to be? It'd be a hell of a letdown...

Do it enough and word could spread.

 

[MasterYoda]

So you dont demostrate value at all?

 

[Kalel21]

Magic? are you kidding me? gosh this is quite hard work man.